Germanwings Airbus crash 24 March #1

[GinaSeikwa]

Believe me I know airplanes. I am crew myself- back end. I always try to stay objective in these scenarios and see where the evidence leads. I had a few thoughts earlier one being a possible slow depressurization and loss of consciousness. This evidence now however is leading to a DELIBERATE act. Not a medical incapacitation, not a slow decompression which perhaps could lead to delayed reaction and impairment. If the locked out pilot had the strength and acuity to pound on that door for an extended amount of time he was not being affected by hypoxia so neither was the pilot flying IMO.

 

[CARIIS]

CARIIS, I'd take your mechanical/plane knowledge over this anytime. Hang in there!

Twitter world is blowing up in shock too. fwiw

you have no idea how much i appreciate that -- i am spinning-- anderson is running with pre planned cr#p oh the plane may have delibvertaly killed 150 people - now lets go Peru

i am just blown away

and i am serious i loved the way you worded you post

wow just wow

and they are still trying to " discuss" this - there is no reason a person banging on a cockpit door, would not be let in , it is stupid MSM again

Again I loved and appreciated your wording

I cant believe they are trying to make this "something" else

it is insulting

AND explains the whole accident seqeance

 

[AlwaysShocked]

Pilots now saying that cockpit door on this plane has two "locked" positions. One position would allow the outside pilot to override the locked position by using a code. The second position is an "absolute lock" and cannot be overridden by an outside code. This lock was apparently in the "absolute lock" position.

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CARIIS: Sorry but I do not understand your post. You think the mainstream media is lying about what? You think the New York Times made up this report? Or you think the person who reported it to the New York Times was lying?

 

[CARIIS]

Believe me I know airplanes. I am crew myself- back end. I always try to stay objective in these scenarios and see where the evidence leads. I had a few thoughts earlier one being a possible slow depressurization and loss of consciousness. This evidence now however is leading to a DELIBERATE act. Not a medical incapacitation, not a slow decompression which perhaps could lead to delayed reaction and impairment. If the locked out pilot had the strength and acuity to pound on that door for an extended amount of time he was not being affected by hypoxia so neither was the pilot flying IMO.

Thank you I cant believe they are still trying to say something else - he flew the plane into the ground, and killed 149 - pilots do not "lock out" colleagues its obserd we have our answers here guys and it it quite upsetting in a very weird way ....

 

[GinaSeikwa]

Pilots now saying that cockpit door on this plane has two "locked" positions. One position would allow the outside pilot to override the locked position by using a code. The second position is an "absolute lock" and cannot be overridden by an outside code. This lock was apparently in the "absolute lock" position.

Yes this exactly. Deliberate.

 

[Madeleine74]

Thank you I cant believe they are still trying to say something else - he flew the plane into the ground, and killed 149 - pilots do not "lock out" colleagues its obserd we have our answers here guys and it it quite upsetting in a very weird way ....

It has happened before. May have happened here too.

 

[CARIIS]

Well so much for all the armchair experts who just knew, absolutely knew, it was a technical problem with the plane, right down to which nut or bolt was at fault. Pffffttt. Everyone imagines themselves an expert these days, to the point where they don't have to have any actual expertise and their imaginations are all the evidence they need. double pfffftttt.

up till the last hour I was one of em!!! numbing

and they are now trying to mke this a medical issue sorry , mystery solved , he left the cockpit, the dude had a plan, and executed it

there is no reason why 36 hours in they have not released their names or any family history married smile all is well it all fits - they heard the voice recorder and are now trying to slowly "ease" the world into what really happened-

what are the odd, fight crew leaves to piss, the other dude has a masssive heart attack, and the plane crashes killing 149

this was Silk AIr

 

[Madeleine74]

up till the last hour I was one of em!!! numbing

Hope everyone who does this remembers this important lesson not to make assumptions.

 

[they'll get you]

Yes and what a remote area to crash. Only reached by helicopter . I'll eat my words if it's not terrorism. IMO only!


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If my comment is out of line,I will remove.With everything that is going on in the world I wonder if they did not release any of the pilots names because one may have been muslim.Sorry if it offends.

My opinion exactly.

:yeahthat:

 

[cuffem]

Could have been planned with the other pilot relaxing a bit after reaching cruising altitude and stepping out of cockpit and the decending into the alps as no cell phone towers could be accessed.

 

[watcher9]

I am wondering now if it was really the accident which caused the black box to lose its card? I always have a hard time getting a card out of a camera. I thought these boxes were supposed to be indestructible anyway.

Could the cockpit lose its oxygen by a broken windshield and not the rest of the plane?

Did the passengers actually get up and help the pilot with trying to break down the door?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

In Dec or Nov of 2014, Al Qaeda's issue of Inspire urged for Lone Wolf attacks, those attacks coming from those everyday people hiding under the radar in everyday life. They urged for airplane attacks.

It makes me wonder...Do pilots have access to the passenger manifest? If so, how ironic that this Germanwings crash had an employee whose lifelong career was with Booz Allen and was contracted to the National Geospacial Intelligence Agency. The NG(I)A is responsible for providing the exact geo location of Osama Bin Laden when he was found and executed. Could the pilot have been a Lone Wolf?

Makes me wonder yet again if the MH370 pilot was a Lone Wolf as well knowing that several intelligent Defense contractors were onboard that fateful flight.

When looking up the Airbus A320, it appears a lavatory is directly behind the cockpit. Was it like that in this plane?

 

[JanetElaine]

Did I hear on CNN that there may have been changes in altitude before the crash? Do they know that or was CNN just theorizing again?

I posted it before but if you go to http://casperflights.com/unified/?location=lfbd (click on Bordeaux airport if needed) and put in the date and time of the crash, you can follow the flight. Like, live. It will show you the altitude and speed at any given time. Put in before and after 10:30am GMT+1. It is extremely eerie to see the altitude number starting to drop like it does and then the plane eventually just disappears off the map.

 

[wfgodot]

NYT piece again for those just coming aboard:

Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France

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A senior military official involved in the investigation described “very smooth, very cool” conversation between the pilots during the early part of the flight from Barcelona to Düsseldorf. Then the audio indicated that one of the pilots left the cockpit and could not re-enter.

“The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,” the investigator said. “And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.”

He said, “You can hear he is trying to smash the door down.”
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the rest at the link

 

[oceanblueeyes]

up till the last hour I was one of em!!! numbing

and they are now trying to mke this a medical issue sorry , mystery solved , he left the cockpit, the dude had a plan, and executed it

there is no reason why 36 hours in they have not released their names or any family history married smile all is well it all fits - they heard the voice recorder and are now trying to slowly "ease" the world into what really happened-

what are the odd, fight crew leaves to piss, the other dude has a masssive heart attack, and the plane crashes killing 149

this was Silk AIr

The odds would be astronomical I would think. Imo, it didn't happen.

And if the pilot had a heart attack why would the door be locked? If the other pilot was able to knock on the door then it means the passengers were also awake and not suffering from lack of air in the cabin, imo.

And the long 8 minute descent is odd.

This crash is even more mysterious than the other recent crashes to me and it gets more mysterious by the day.

I don't know what happened but I would not be surprised if this was another act by a lone wolf terrorist aka pilot.

IMO

 

[Jersey*Girl]

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...own-agency-that-helped-kill-bin-laden/238454/

The Little-Known Agency That Helped Kill Bin Laden
MARC AMBINDERMAY 5 2011, 5:08

The National Geospatial Agency mapped bin Laden's compound, analyzed drone data, and helped the SEALs simulate their mission

The NGA's contributions to the bin Laden mission are substantial. As described to National Journal by senior U.S. policymakers who do not work for the agency, they include:

• Creating three-dimensional renderings of the Abbottabad compounds using imagery and laser-based sensing devices--laser radar, or ladar.
• Analyzing data from a sophisticated next-generation drone that kept watch on the compound before, during, and after the raid. The drone was an RQ-170 built by Lockheed Martin.
• Helping the Joint Special Operations Command create mission simulators for the pilots who flew the helicopters into the breach. (This was first reported by Washingtonian magazine.)
• Providing to the CIA and other policymakers assessments of the number of people who lived inside the compound, their heights and genders.

NGA Director Long issued a statement on May 2 saying, "I am extremely proud of the work that NGA men and women have done that led directly to this outcome. Their GEOINT was critical to helping the intelligence community pinpoint bin Ladin's compound."

 

[Snick1946]

There was a case back about 10-15 years ago of an Egyptian airliner en route from NYC to Cairo, flying over the Atlantic at night when it went down for no apparent reason- when they recovered the recorder it was the same thing as is being suggested here- the co-pilot locked out the pilot and deliberately flew into the ocean- he was reciting prayers as he did so.
We maybe do need to realize that even if this was deliberate it is not necessarily a terrorist act by Islamists. The co-pilot could have had severe mental/emotional issues.

 

[Isabelle]

NYT piece again for those just coming aboard:

Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France


the rest at the link

CNN had reporter in Düsseldorf report that authorities are not commenting on findings. Who leaked the locked cockpit door originally? Thanks

 

[SeriouslySearching]

This situation just became even more horrific (and it could get worse). The pilot locked out of the cockpit for the entire 8 minutes is mind-boggling. WTH?!

I had hopes the slower descent into the mountain was done on purpose by a caring pilot so people were not as frightened and didn't really know what was going to happen until the end, but this shoots that theory all to hell.

 

[CARIIS]

I am being preventive from a time out! I just my Lunesta. BUt this is way to bright a group , most heart attacks have precursors ( sweating, feeling light headed etc). If iwas a pilot and started to feel stuff, the last thing I would do is , when my colleague leaves upon hitting cruise, is lock him out. Lets even go macho, I would still leave it, if not feeling right, that my colleague could get back in.

I suppose an annurism might work, but all along , the names of pilots were not issued, as a aircraft crash interested human since I wa 13 , that is odd. I do not know if I am going terroirsm, I am going sucide, I do not know why tho.

buT the media is being (Lunesta time) obserd, now trying to come up with all these reasons why the stars ligned up with the norht pole and the sunshine was in the lunar place, and the individual that left the cockpit, and was then locked out is just IMO obserd.

ANd it just fits the last 8 minutes, he did not want attention, so he gently smashed the jetliner into the concrete. We have no information about the pilots bodeies, the bodies are obliterated - especially in the front of the nose at impact.

We are being "gently" manipulated IMO, giving the world chance to absorb, the horrifying realities, of what has accidently been revealed. Heart attacks are very rarely truly sudden there are warning signs

in the last 90 minutes , it has moved from the media not wanting to explore this, and going into side roads.

From day one, a ten year pilot with 6000 hours in type is very low EMERIATES ask about the tenure and number of hours in type is very low

10 year tenred, would have a lot more than 6000 hours in that type- it is usually done in breakdown mode, 10 year vetern, 6000 in A320, 587 hours in 727, etc

10 years - 6000 hours from the beginning sounded very off....................................to little flight time , in a decade in type