Germany Germany - Altena-Bergfeld, WhtFem 14-22, 309UFDEU, Shoe sz 33/34, excellent dental care, Jun'97

[ChatteringBirds]

It's been over a year since anyone has posted here, but we're still here to say - she is not forgotten.

 

[LucyOso]

Bump

 

[dotr]

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''On June 2, 1997 in a wooded area in Altena-Bergfeld, Germany a young woman was found.

She had been raped, strangled and set on fire, while she was still alive. Post-mortem exams showed that the crime was committed by the father of the victim. He did all efforts to hide her identity.

• Date found: June 2, 1997
• Place found: Altena-Bergfeld, Germany

• Race: Unknown
• Gender: Female
• Age: 14-22
• Height: 154 cm
• Weight: 45 kg
• Eye Color: Blue
• Hair Color: Auburn to dark brown
• Distinguishing Marks: Shoe size: 33-34. Pale complexion, small build. Might have worn some sort of tooth ornament/diamond.
• Estimated Date of Dead: Unknown

• Clothing: None
• Jewelry: Unknown
• Personal Items: Unknown

• Dentals: Available. Her teeth were in good condition and she had obviously received excellent dental care. One of her upper incisors had an adhesive point on it which had been attached in a professional way by creating corrosion. It was concluded that the victim might have worn some sort of ornament, possibly a diamond-like imitation with a diameter of about 2mm. Investigators believe that the ornament was deliberately removed during the crime.''

 

[ChatteringBirds]

Bumping case up.

 

[Susikatze]

I know looks are nothing. But she looks North African, maybe Tunisian or Moroccan to me. There is a large North African community in Germany. Many are light skinned. I attended primary school with many Moroccan girls and they were actually lighter than me. Since it is a multiethnic country, you find all skin colors in Morocco from Sub Saharan to Middle Eastern olive toned to very light.

 

[Springrain]

She had been raped, strangled and set on fire, while she was still alive. Post-mortem exams showed that the crime was committed by the father of the victim. He did all efforts to hide her identity.

When I started this thread, it was stated that the crime was done by a close relative, but no details on exactly who. Horrible to hear that it has been identified as being done by her father.

 

[Bit of hope]

Identify Me: DE03 - The burned body in the forest

facial reconstruction of victim

• Date of death (estimated): 1 June 1997
• Date of discovery: 2 June 1997
• Location: Germany: Altena forest area, Altena-Bergfeld, Hemecker Weg.
• Sex: Female
• Estimated year of birth: 1975 - 1979
• Estimated age: Between 18 and 22 years old
• Height: Petite figure, 153-157 cm and weighing about 45 kg
• Skin tone: Fair
• Hair color: Red-brown to dark
• Eye color: Dark
• Clothing: The woman was wearing no clothing when she was found. Blue and grey cotton fibres were found which could have belonged to the woman but it is not sure. The woman’s shoe size was 33-35.
• Tattoos, birth marks, scars: Unknown
• Jewelry: On one of the upper incisors (tooth 12), a round adhesive surface was found, which had been professionally applied after etching. The victim probably wore a tooth gem in the form of a diamond-like rhinestone (mass-produced article) with a diameter of approx. 2 mm. Traces in the adhesive surface indicate that the stone was most likely removed as part of the crime.

The case​

On Monday 2 June 1997, a naked female body was found in a wooded area in Altena-Bergfeld. The victim had been raped, strangled and then set on fire.

The place where the body was found is not consistent with the place where the crime was committed so it is believed that the victim was moved from an unknown location.

The perpetrator tried hard to eliminate any chance of identification. Checks of the fingerprints taken from the victim were negative.

Characteristics​

The woman probably wore a tooth gem, a diamond-like rhinestone (commercially available mass product) on her right upper incisor (tooth 12). It cannot be ruled out that she wore braces until the age of 12. The victim's toenails were painted red.

Contact
If you have any information regarding the possible identity of this person, please contact the German national police via the form below.

You can also contact them and view this case on their national police website.

Video from Fahndung nach Personen - Case 3

https://medien.bka.de/Fahndung/C4_V2_en.mp4

 

[Bit of hope]

When I started this thread, it was stated that the crime was done by a close relative, but no details on exactly who. Horrible to hear that it has been identified as being done by her father.

Horrific!! This is stated on the German police site for this case.

https://www.bka.de/DE/IhreSicherheit/Fahndungen/Personen/UnbekannteTote/Kampagne_NL_B_D/MK_Bergfeld_Hagen/Sachverhalt.html

It was determined that the victim was still alive when burned. Most likely, the father was the perpetrator or at least involved in the crime.

 

[EmiliaRT007]

I’m not even from Germany and this case horrifies me to no end. That poor young lady. I hope she’s resting peacefully now. That’s horrific what happened to her.

 

[Riddle]

Horrific!! This is stated on the German police site for this case.

It was determined that the victim was still alive when burned. Most likely, the father was the perpetrator or at least involved in the crime.

It's awful,burned alive!

If she is from origin North Africa,I am afraid her relatives,father went back.
It's too hard to keep track for LE,schools etc.
Relatives easily say "Ohh,she is not missing,she married to a man in her country,or she is living with relatives"

However,I do think she is younger,given her shoe size and height.

Makes one wonder,why Europe didn't change the law, immediately!

About child brides:
"A law to prevent child marriage went into effect in Germany two years ago. It was designed to keep minors from marrying, but a new study by the women's rights group Terre des Femmes says its effect has been marginal.

Germany's well-intentioned "Law to Combat Child Marriage" went into effect on July 22, 2017. At the time, the chances that the law would protect underage children from forced marriage looked good, with the new law setting the legal age for marriage in Germany at 18."

Child marriages a challenge for authorities – DW – 09/23/2019

 

[EmiliaRT007]

It's awful,burned alive!

If she is from origin North Africa,I am afraid her relatives,father went back.
It's too hard to keep track for LE,schools etc.
Relatives easily say "Ohh,she is not missing,she married to a man in her country,or she is living with relatives"

However,I do think she is younger,given her shoe size and height.

Makes one wonder,why Europe didn't change the law, immediately!

About child brides:
"A law to prevent child marriage went into effect in Germany two years ago. It was designed to keep minors from marrying, but a new study by the women's rights group Terre des Femmes says its effect has been marginal.

Germany's well-intentioned "Law to Combat Child Marriage" went into effect on July 22, 2017. At the time, the chances that the law would protect underage children from forced marriage looked good, with the new law setting the legal age for marriage in Germany at 18."

Child marriages a challenge for authorities – DW – 09/23/2019

I wouldn’t immediately say younger based on height. I’m 157 cm and I’m on the older end of teens, think 16-19. I’m completely done growing. I’m Russian and Ukrainian descent and most of my family is a bit taller. But I also have FAS so there’s that. She could just be short. I’m just short for my age but I also have fetal alcohol syndrome as I said so that could be a factor. If she is North African in descent that may explain her size too. I’ve met a few people of Middle East and N. African descent who are a little shorter.

 

[Riddle]

What shoe size do you have,if I might ask?

I translated more information,about shoe size:
"Until when does the shoe size change? A child has grown between the ages of 16 and 21. Feet, on the other hand, have grown out a little earlier. Feet grow until about 15 years of age. After that, children have reached their maximum shoe size."

Gemiddelde schoenmaat kinderen | Meer gemiddelden | Alle gemiddelden | Uncategorised

It is Dutch,so not accurate to other countries,but I did see,also other yo.
It's a child seize,about 9 yo till 12 yo.

 

[EmiliaRT007]

What shoe size do you have,if I might ask?

I’m a size 38 EU.
Edit: I think so at least, I’m a 7 US in women’s sizes or a 5 in men’s IIRC.

 

[dotr]

Identify Me: DE03 - The burned body in the forest

Operation Identify Me: Seeking the names of unidentified victims of murder

www.interpol.int

Operation Identify Me: Seeking the names of unidentified victims of murder
Case name: The burned body in the forest
Case code: 2023-DE03

Facial reconstruction of victim

Aerial photograph of the course of the "Hemecker Weg" road through the wooded area "Bergfeld" in Altena

Tooth jewellery in the form of a diamond-like rhinestone (mass product) with a diameter of approx. 2 mm (on the upper right incisor, tooth 12)

Facial soft tissue reconstruction dated 1998 (further variants of the reconstruction are shown below and might more closely resemble what the unknown woman actually looked like)

 

[EmiliaRT007]

What shoe size do you have,if I might ask?

I translated more information,about shoe size:
"Until when does the shoe size change? A child has grown between the ages of 16 and 21. Feet, on the other hand, have grown out a little earlier. Feet grow until about 15 years of age. After that, children have reached their maximum shoe size."

Gemiddelde schoenmaat kinderen | Meer gemiddelden | Alle gemiddelden | Uncategorised

It is Dutch,so not accurate to other countries,but I did see,also other yo.
It's a child seize,about 9 yo till 12 yo.

My feet have been done growing since around my 16th birthday. I’m a bit late hitting puberty. I’m a female (obviously, I’ve never met a male named Emilia. XD) so a little earlier than it would happen in males. I’m still in some stages of puberty, just height and limb growth has stopped. Again, I’m under 20, between 16 and 19, not giving my age out for privacy reasons. Those are pretty small feet for someone who is about 155 cm tall. She was probably a young girl now that I think about it, about 12-15.

 

[dotr]

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WOMEN'S SIZE CONVERSION​

CANADA / USA	EURO	UK	INCHES	CM
4	35	2	8.1875"	20.8
4.5	35	2.5	8.375"	21.3
5	35-36	3	8.5"	21.6
5.5	36	3.5	8.75"	22.2
6	36-37	4	8.875"	22.5
6.5	37	4.5	9.0625"	23
7	37-38	5	9.25"	23.5
7.5	38	5.5	9.375"	23.8
8	38-39	6	9.5"	24.1
8.5	39	6.5	9.6875"	24.6
9	39-40	7	9.875"	25.1
9.5	40	7.5	10"	25.4
10	40-41	8	10.1875"	25.9
10.5	41	8.5	10.3125"	26.2
11	41-42	9	10.5"	26.7
11.5	42	9.5	10.6875"	27.1
12	42-43	10	10.875"	27.6

 

[Riddle]

I doubt she had shoes on,there is no picture or mention of it.
Only this "The victim's toenails were painted red."
If she had no shoes on,I do think she was attacked inside her home.

The tooth gem is interesting

 

[EmiliaRT007]

Shoe Size Guide - Canadian, American & European Size Conversions | SoftMoc.com

See our Shoe Size Guide to compare equivalent sizes for Canadian, American & European Shoe Sizes. Free Shipping, Free Exchanges & Easy Returns. Over 135 stores across Canada.

www.softmoc.com

WOMEN'S SIZE CONVERSION​

CANADA / USA	EURO	UK	INCHES	CM
4	35	2	8.1875"	20.8
4.5	35	2.5	8.375"	21.3
5	35-36	3	8.5"	21.6
5.5	36	3.5	8.75"	22.2
6	36-37	4	8.875"	22.5
6.5	37	4.5	9.0625"	23
7	37-38	5	9.25"	23.5
7.5	38	5.5	9.375"	23.8
8	38-39	6	9.5"	24.1
8.5	39	6.5	9.6875"	24.6
9	39-40	7	9.875"	25.1
9.5	40	7.5	10"	25.4
10	40-41	8	10.1875"	25.9
10.5	41	8.5	10.3125"	26.2
11	41-42	9	10.5"	26.7
11.5	42	9.5	10.6875"	27.1
12	42-43	10	10.875"	27.6

So I’m more like a 37.5? I’m between a 7 and 7.5 US but there’s nothing between those. I fit better in a 7 but sometimes it’s too small yet the 7.5 is too big.

 

[EmiliaRT007]

I doubt she had shoes on,there is no picture or mention of it.
Only this "The victim's toenails were painted red."
If she had no shoes on,I do think she was attacked inside her home.

The tooth gem is interesting

It is. Doesn’t look like dental work, what could it possibly be?

 

[Riddle]

Doing a quick search on the required age of a tooth gem in general.Its 16-18 yo.

In Germany,it's 18 yo
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