theshadow45
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Main River Jane Doe has been unidentified for 22 years today.
Even if they have DNA of her or the perpetrator/s, it would bw hard to identify her. If she was indeed Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Afghan, those groups are hardly represented in any DNA database. In addition, certain ethnic subgroups (e.g. Pashtun clans) are subject to extreme endogamy. And she may have been undocumented by immigration. And depending where she was born, she may not have been registered with local authorities. I can also imagine the cooperation between German and local police would not work well and many of those areas she may havr been from are war torn or deeply rooted in poverty and tribal stuctures and laws unknown and inaccessible to Westerners.I guess since she was submerged in water, they couldn't get any DNA from the belt, inside the knots maybe? I hope they have tried with the absolute latest technology more recently.
I am a native German speaker. HOw do you update Doenet?I wish someone who is fluent in German would update the DoeNetwork in regards to the deceased's teeth. They continue to say she was completely edentulous when she had all her teeth except wisdom teeth. So of course, Wikipedia continues the mistake.
There are a lot of cultures where women pierce their noses as well as modern day girls who just like the look. In some cultures the piercing of the left or right nostril signifies a married woman.
Urdu speaking people can come from places besides Asia. During the era when Uganda and Tanzania were kicking Muslims out of the country, these Urdu speaking refugees ended up in many countries as well, including Germany.
I believe the German police are on the right track when they consider this poor unfortunate girl who lived a life of unspeakable horror was treated maliciously by a female as well as males in a household where she was a prisoner.
I would never say never. With how much genetic genealogy has helped identify many John and Jane does she may get her name back in the future.Even if they have DNA of her or the perpetrator/s, it would bw hard to identify her. If she was indeed Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Afghan, those groups are hardly represented in any DNA database. In addition, certain ethnic subgroups (e.g. Pashtun clans) are subject to extreme endogamy. And she may have been undocumented by immigration. And depending where she was born, she may not have been registered with local authorities. I can also imagine the cooperation between German and local police would not work well and many of those areas she may havr been from are war torn or deeply rooted in poverty and tribal stuctures and laws unknown and inaccessible to Westerners.
Unless some witness comes stepping forward, there is no chance she will ever get justice and her name.
I am calling her "Noor" for now because she should shine and sparkle on.
True. With globalization, underrepresented ethnic groups may in the future get more DNA into the databases. But it may take a long timeI would never say never. With how much genetic genealogy has helped identify many John and Jane does she may get her name back in the future.
I am a native German speaker. HOw do you update Doenet?
Even if they have DNA of her or the perpetrator/s, it would be hard to identify her.
Unlikely if this is a case of domestic violence within an insular community. In addition, Germany does not take DNA samples of every criminal but only for very selected cases (e.g. serial killers or serial rapists) on a very limited basis.I know. However I have a vague hope that if the DNA of the perpetrator were at least in a database (best would be Interpol, I think, but I'm dreaming) and they were ever arrested for another violent crime, they could finally be identified. Or if an eyewitness came forward, it would help authorities build their case.
I do realize the chance they obtain(ed) DNA may be impossible. But hope is what we've got in this case.
Germany does not take DNA samples of every criminal but only for very selected cases (e.g. serial killers or serial rapists) on a very limited basis.
DNA is protected under personality rights law, in order to be able to take and analyze it, the person has to agree (i know, absurd!) to it. LE in Germany can only take it if the perp agrees or in very extreme cases that override the law and justify tampering with personality rights.Oh, I assumed not every criminal but also would have assumed anyone convicted of rape or any sex crime, violent assault, attempted murder, murder, etc. would have DNA in the database. Too bad, IMO.
Add to it as an error: The brown leopard sheet wasn't a sheet (Bettlaken) but a duvet cover (Bettbezug= Bezug für Decke oder Kissen).*sigh*
Repeating @Gottlieb from post #32 and #36:
""lückenloses Gebiss ohne Weisheitszähne..." means none of her teeth were missing, except the wisdom teeth. She had wether dental nor orthodontical work done. She had no dentures, but a full set of own teeth.
The thing weighing her down was a parasol stand ("Sonnenschirmständer"), not an umbrella.
Her sexual status ("sie war defloriert") means that her hymen was not intact anymore. Not more, not less.
Not meant to fuss, but these details have clearly lost (or transformed) in translation."
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"It's a translation mistake - and a big one at that. Gebiss means both dentures and set of teeth, depending on the context. If you read the German text, there is absolutely no way to misunderstand it. It's crystal clear.
It seems Doe Network relied quite heavily on Google Translate, which in this case is rather unfortunate.
Just to clarify: this poor girl still had all of her teeth, except wisdom teeth, which probably did not yet break when she died at the age of 15. She did not have dentures. At no point of her life did she receive dental care. All the teeth in her mouth were her own."