Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #5

[frank-cole]

The murder of Monika P in Hanover 2010 hasn't been solved yet.

Early on wasn’t he potentially linked to this one?

 

[UK Girl]

True. I think the park incident may highlight this. Almost everybody would believe the children & not the paedophile. Even with that, the judge may decide it’s not enough.

HCW doesn’t need to give a step by step. It would be senseless to charge until other proceedings have finished.

I think preventative detention is very important because there’s a high likelihood he’ll reoffend. I know agendas in the MM case have created childish little grudges with the prosecution & there will be this silly attitude where a loss for the prosecution is a ‘win’ for them. But I’d like to think people will understand that he’s better off inside.

If he is convicted in these trials I agree. Tbh I just think the prosecution have been totally incompetent in this trial. Five charges and they may lose every single one and that is nothing to do with any childish grudge! Incidentally the witness said there was what 30-50% chance he would reoffend? which means potentially there is 70% chance he will but IF he does reoffend maybe they will do a better job prosecuting next time so he does indeed remain locked up.

 

[UK Girl]

I meant to say there is 50-70% chance he may not reoffend sorry

 

[Mex]

I meant to say there is 50-70% chance he may not reoffend sorry

In the past CB was able to carry out all aspects of his criminal career under the radar. But on occasion he was caught out and prosecuted; and it is quite amazing how often he was questioned having been in the vicinity of of missing people investigations.

Were he released he will have the added impediment that he is now generally known but will continue as he was or perhaps become a best selling author with an adoring public.

Interesting though that his lawyer is recorded as being in agreement with the expert who testified in court when he made headlines saying

MM: Prime suspect's lawyer says 'I'd never let him near my kids'​

"I'd let him look after my dogs but I wouldn't let him look after my children or my daughter - if I had them.

"He could be my dog sitter, yes, but because of his record I would not let him look after my own daughter."

Maddie McCann: Prime suspect's lawyer's chilling admission

As police try to nail Brueckner for McCann's murder, his own lawyer has weighed in.

www.nzherald.co.nz

 

[Denis R Tandib]

The only interest I have in this case is what it indicates about the MM case.

If CB gets more jail time or is held in preventative detention, it doesn’t really matter. Personally, it doesn’t matter if he does more time, he’s proven to be a rotten egg.

It’s a fair guess the the vast majority of us are only on this forum because of what this case tells us about the MM case.

Here, the verdict on these five cases is important. If CB is found guilty of any of the three rapes, it may encourage the prosecution to charge him for MM’s murder.

The problem is, that doesn’t look likely. The evidence in the rape cases appears weak, I’m not sure how many appeals will change this.

So where does this leave the MM case? IMO, with an accused suspect but with very little evidence to back up the accusation. How is it possible to think CB is responsible if the prosecution can’t get convictions for other crimes they thought stronger the MM?

Is there anything other than the word of people like HeB and LC to support the allegation?

 

[RichardKimble]

The only interest I have in this case is what it indicates about the MM case.

If CB gets more jail time or is held in preventative detention, it doesn’t really matter. Personally, it doesn’t matter if he does more time, he’s proven to be a rotten egg.

It’s a fair guess the the vast majority of us are only on this forum because of what this case tells us about the MM case.

Here, the verdict on these five cases is important. If CB is found guilty of any of the three rapes, it may encourage the prosecution to charge him for MM’s murder.

The problem is, that doesn’t look likely. The evidence in the rape cases appears weak, I’m not sure how many appeals will change this.

So where does this leave the MM case? IMO, with an accused suspect but with very little evidence to back up the accusation. How is it possible to think CB is responsible if the prosecution can’t get convictions for other crimes they thought stronger the MM?

Is there anything other than the word of people like HeB and LC to support the allegation?

Good post, 30 odd days of evidence pointing to he might have done some or all of the crimes, none of them seem clear cut with what we have heard, these points I'd venture have been the ones reported.As to MM it's no closer to closure that in 2007 imo.

 

[frank-cole]

If he is convicted in these trials I agree. Tbh I just think the prosecution have been totally incompetent in this trial. Five charges and they may lose every single one and that is nothing to do with any childish grudge! Incidentally the witness said there was what 30-50% chance he would reoffend? which means potentially there is 70% chance he will but IF he does reoffend maybe they will do a better job prosecuting next time so he does indeed remain locked up.

Apologies I could have been clearer about what the expert said - 30-50% chance of reoffending with 2 years. Judging by his 18 convictions from the age of 17 up until middle age, I doubt there’s an even a 1% chance that he won’t reoffend in the future. It’ll just be how quickly it happens. If he were to go free & he harmed somebody in the next year or so, it will put massive focus on the judge, how the case was tried & her decision making. A near future surviving victim would understandably want to question how & why he was let out the last time.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Good post, 30 odd days of evidence pointing to he might have done some or all of the crimes, none of them seem clear cut with what we have heard, these points I'd venture have been the ones reported.As to MM it's no closer to closure that in 2007 imo.

I agree with you on MM. CB remains the right sort of criminal that could have abducted MM yet we have nothing to suggest he did or even that an abduction by anyone took place.

 

[mrjitty]

I agree with you on MM. CB remains the right sort of criminal that could have abducted MM yet we have nothing to suggest he did or even that an abduction by anyone took place.

I kind of regret I ever paid attention to this. Normally I wait for a trial. We haven't even had an arrest!

 

[RichardKimble]

I kind of regret I ever paid attention to this. Normally I wait for a trial. We haven't even had an arrest!

When a LE profess they have a prime suspect and subsequent updates talk of having concrete evidence it's bound to attract attention.

 

[RichardKimble]

I agree with you on MM. CB remains the right sort of criminal that could have abducted MM yet we have nothing to suggest he did or even that an abduction by anyone took place.

At least this saga of the trial is showing some signs of a completion.

 

[frank-cole]

In the past CB was able to carry out all aspects of his criminal career under the radar. But on occasion he was caught out and prosecuted; and it is quite amazing how often he was questioned having been in the vicinity of of missing people investigations.

Were he released he will have the added impediment that he is now generally known but will continue as he was or perhaps become a best selling author with an adoring public.

Interesting though that his lawyer is recorded as being in agreement with the expert who testified in court when he made headlines saying

MM: Prime suspect's lawyer says 'I'd never let him near my kids'​

"I'd let him look after my dogs but I wouldn't let him look after my children or my daughter - if I had them.

"He could be my dog sitter, yes, but because of his record I would not let him look after my own daughter."

Maddie McCann: Prime suspect's lawyer's chilling admission

As police try to nail Brueckner for McCann's murder, his own lawyer has weighed in.

www.nzherald.co.nz

Its’s interesting that the expert, on several occasions, talked about what he’d read & seen in the court files. Specific to around CB’s writings. It gives an indication that the content in the files is not argued fully in open court. Seems that the lawyers & judges have the access. I’ve been surprised by the lack of evidence discussed, perhaps though, it’s because their process is something that is different to how people expected. Das buch may have been accepted as evidential & read by all parties - because it certainly seems the expert had access to it.

Albeit still very circumstantial - it now seems quite possible that the evidence file contents isn’t something that they’ll hash out in open court.

 

[UK Girl]

Apologies I could have been clearer about what the expert said - 30-50% chance of reoffending with 2 years. Judging by his 18 convictions from the age of 17 up until middle age, I doubt there’s an even a 1% chance that he won’t reoffend in the future. It’ll just be how quickly it happens. If he were to go free & he harmed somebody in the next year or so, it will put massive focus on the judge, how the case was tried & her decision making. A near future surviving victim would understandably want to question how & why he was let out the last time.

I know what the expert said. The way I see it is if he does reoffend then hopefully next time the BKA will do a half decent prosecution unlike this time. You cant find someone guilty without the evidence just because he MIGHT reoffend in the future. It does not work that way.

 

[RichardKimble]

I know what the expert said. The way I see it is if he does reoffend then hopefully next time the BKA will do a half decent prosecution unlike this time. You cant find someone guilty without the evidence just because he MIGHT reoffend in the future. It does not work that way.

One thing with this is, even if he's found not guilty is he any more likely to reoffend? if yes in the experts opinion, why wasn't he placed in preventative detention before? My point being how can the Dr make an assessment before a verdict is reached ?

 

[UK Girl]

One thing with this is, even if he's found not guilty is he any more likely to reoffend? if yes in the experts opinion, why wasn't he placed in preventative detention before? My point being how can the Dr make an assessment before a verdict is reached ?

They are trying to influence the decision when really elsewhere it would be done only after a guilty verdict.

 

[frank-cole]

I know what the expert said. The way I see it is if he does reoffend then hopefully next time the BKA will do a half decent prosecution unlike this time. You cant find someone guilty without the evidence just because he MIGHT reoffend in the future. It does not work that way.

Ah ok thanks. You left out the part about 2 years - so it seemed that your position was a 70% chance of him not offending again. IMO if he’s free he’ll reoffend, just has he’s always done.

The park incident- people believe the children, people do not believe the paedophile. I’m hoping that even the people that want to paint the prosecution in the worst possible light, will understand he’s guilty, unless it’s agenda based, there’s no argument to the contrary. Whether it passes a legal threshold is unknown.

The reason I bring it up is because this case alone could reach the objective of keeping him in indefinitely

 

[Davieson]

Ah ok thanks. You left out the part about 2 years - so it seemed that your position was a 70% chance of him not offending again. IMO if he’s free he’ll reoffend, just has he’s always done.

The park incident- people believe the children, people do not believe the paedophile. I’m hoping that even the people that want to paint the prosecution in the worst possible light, will understand he’s guilty, unless it’s agenda based, there’s no argument to the contrary. Whether it passes a legal threshold is unknown.

The reason I bring it up is because this case alone could reach the objective of keeping him in indefinitely

You really don't know what other people think, only what you think and wish to believe. You cannot speak for others.

As we can only follow this trial second hand via the media I find it difficult to decide the reliability of these reports - more some than others and so I think it best just to await the outcome.

 

[Lilly b]

Ah ok thanks. You left out the part about 2 years - so it seemed that your position was a 70% chance of him not offending again. IMO if he’s free he’ll reoffend, just has he’s always done.

The park incident- people believe the children, people do not believe the paedophile. I’m hoping that even the people that want to paint the prosecution in the worst possible light, will understand he’s guilty, unless it’s agenda based, there’s no argument to the contrary. Whether it passes a legal threshold is unknown.

The reason I bring it up is because this case alone could reach the objective of keeping him in indefinitely

With the park incident, the pj didn't do anything as such, as the saw there was an arrest warrant for him in Germany, so he was deported, as opposed to charged, would that be correct?

 

[johnlair]

Early on wasn’t he potentially linked to this one?

Again it was reported at the time apparently a friend said Christian b said he accidentally killed his ex girlfriend and it was somehow linked to Monica... It's simply not enough evidence all this he says she says... Evidence enough to investigate the claims sure but bring it to court no... Potentially he could have all charges dropped and released and I don't know exactly what he has done but there is no smoke without fire am pretty sure he's a dangerous man that needs to be kept under lock and key..

 

[frank-cole]

With the park incident, the pj didn't do anything as such, as the saw there was an arrest warrant for him in Germany, so he was deported, as opposed to charged, would that be correct?

I am not sure. Good point.