Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #5

[UK Girl]

Disagree. The MO Diane described, the MO Hazel described & the accounts of what the witnesses saw on tape are all very similar. That’s before we even get in to what CB wrote about & what he apparently said to his ex cell-mate.

One can look at the totality or one can attempt to argue every circumstance in isolation. This is polarising because of the point of view behind it.

The issue is - even though I was at the biscuit tin each of the 10 times, my wife can’t prove it was me. Highly unlikely my presence was 10 isolated coincidences but perhaps not enough for my wife to be able to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. That doesn’t mean I didn’t eat all the biscuits.

the problem is the two witnesses who claimed they saw what they did on the tapes - one committed perjury during this trial and the other admitted they did in the 2019 trial which brings their supposed evidence into question tbh. You also have the fact that one at least had different versions apparently from the original statement and the other seemed a hostile witness.

 

[Davieson]

I agree in part. That’s the nature of cold case, especially in absence of forensics.

I think it’s likely the judges may go with the defence & then we’ll move to debating conflating legally innocent with factually innocent. Which is good sleuth(y) debating.
I don’t think they’ll make their move in the MM case until any appeals have ended.

The 30-50% chance he’d reoffend within 2 years alarms me. Away from the typical back & fourths -From a pro-victim perspective I am hoping that this all ends in an indeterminate prison sentence because I think the risk is very high. I also think that will also increase the prospect of a full MM confession within the next few years.

This is only the opinion of a single person who had no contact with CB. It may or may not be valid. I would prefer to see the opinions of a wider group of experts, rather than just one.

I shall not be debating or disputing the judge's decision, whatever it may be.

 

[Mex]

Apart from which, describing the Defence as attacking - attacking! - the witnesses is beyond comical and indicates a complete lack of understanding as to what the role of the defence is in a trial.

Back in the real world, questioning and holding up to the light witness statements and testimony is the job the defence is there to do. As most of us know and accept as part of the process of justice being served. And that's exactly what they did.

Interesting differing viewpoints on the role of the defence in this particular trial.

I vehemently disagree that the role of the defence is to systematically dismantle the character of the witness.

By all means tear the evidence to shreds but do please make the progression into the more enlightened techniques now adopted when grilling a survivor of aggravated rape.

The treatment meted out to HB as she presented her case for justice is no part of the process to achieve that. What a shame that was the best presentation they could muster.
My opinion

 

[Mex]

This is only the opinion of a single person who had no contact with CB. It may or may not be valid. I would prefer to see the opinions of a wider group of experts, rather than just one.

I shall not be debating or disputing the judge's decision, whatever it may be.

The defence are free to call an equally eminent rebuttal witness to the stand.

 

[mrjitty]

No one is going to be found legally innocent. It’s just not a thing.

 

[Niner]

Wednesday, October 2nd:
*Trial continues (Day 36) (@ 9am CET) – Germany/Portugal - Hazel Behan (20 @ time/now 40) (in her home, June 16, 2004, Praia de Rocha on the Algarve coast, 10 miles from Praia de Luz, Portimao, Portugal) - *Christian Stefan Brückner (Bruekner) (27 @ time of 1st crime (2004)/45/now 47) charged (Oct. 11, 2022) with sexual assault (suspect held a knife & brutally raped her. The accused then tied & gagged the woman to a table & raped her again. He then whipped the victim on the back with a whip he had brought with him & finally forcibly performed oral sex with the victim. The accused filmed large parts of the events with a video camera he had brought with him). Braunschweig Regional District Court
Germany/Portugal – *Charged (Oct. 11, 2022) & arrest warrant reinstated 11/18/22 - a 14 year old teenager (unknown victim) (on tape: assaulted/hit the naked girl with a whip. Said to have brutally forced the girl to have oral sex. The accused also videotaped this act). Took place between Dec. 28, 2000 to April 8, 2006 on the Praia da Luz, Algarve coast, Portugal.
Germany/Portugal - *Charged (Oct. 11, 2022) & arrest warrant reinstated 11/18/22 - an elderly woman 70-80 yrs old (unknown victim) a Tour Rep (tied up & raped the victim in her holiday apt. He then hit the victim several times with a whip. The accused is said to have recorded the entire event with a video camera). Took place around the same time (between Dec. 28, 2000 to April 8, 2006) on the Praia de Luz, Algarve coast, Portugal.
Germany/Portugal – *Charged (Oct. 11, 2022) & arrest warrant reinstated 11/18/22 - 10 year old German girl (Joana E.) (wearing only shoes & otherwise naked. He grabbed the child's wrist & began to perform masturbation movements on his naked penis). On Salema (Zalema) beach, near Praia de Luz, Portugal, April 7, 2007).
Germany/Portugal – *Charged (Oct. 11, 2022) & arrest warrant reinstated 11/18/22 – Ines VP (11 year old Portuguese girl) (pulled down his trousers & underpants & made masturbation movements on his naked penis in order to sexually arouse himself, until the frightened girl ran to her father for help. The suspect was arrested on the spot by the Portuguese police). Exposed himself in playpark, São Bartolomeu de Messines, June 11, 2017).
Trial began on February 16, 2024. (And continued on Feb. 23rd, Mar. 1st & 14th, Apr. 2nd, 10th, 12th, 17th, 19th, 24th & 26th, May 2nd, 15th, 166th, 17th, 21st, 22nd, 23rd, 28th, 29th & June 4th & 5th & 28th, July 5th, August 5th, 15th, Sept. 5th & 6th, 25th, 26th).
Next Trial dates: October 2, 7, 8, 21 & Oct. 22, 2024.
Presiding Judge Dr. Engemann. Lead Prosecutor Ute Lindermann. Defense attorneys Dr. Friedrich Fülscher, Philipp Marquort, Dennis Bock & Atilla Aykac.
Brueckner is currently serving a 7 year sentence for the 2005 rape on a pensioner; was sentenced in 2019. Release in Spring or Summer of 2026.
Case info & charges & Brueckner info from June 1, 2020 thru Jan. 18, 2024 & Trial Day 1-34 (Feb. 16 thru Sept. 26) reference post #233 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...imes-praia-de-rocha-portugal-5.722126/page-12
September 27, 2024. Thursday, Day 35 [corrected the Day #s per articles]: Dr. Christian Riedemann, forensic psychiatric expert [is chief physician & head of the Bad Rehburg enforcement center]. Trial continues on Wednesday, October 2nd.
For more info see posts #234 to 237 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...imes-praia-de-rocha-portugal-5.722126/page-12
Additional notes:
*Among other things, he was instructed to examine whether, in the case of the conviction of Christian B. for one or more acts, the prerequisites of paragraphs 66 of the Criminal Code were met.
Security custody: Requirements of § 66 StGB:
The order of custody according to § 66 para. 1 StGB is permissible under the following conditions, all of which must be met: Someone is currently sentenced to a prison sentence of at least two years for a crime specified in § 66 (1) StGB. The perpetrator has already been sentenced to a prison sentence of at least one year twice in the past for such an act. He has already served at least two years in prison because of these old acts or was in the prison deprivation of liberty. Preventive custody always presupposes that the convicted person has a tendency to commit serious crimes & represents a danger to the general public at the time of his conviction.
*With the report of the expert, the procedure turns onto the home straight. Next Wednesday, Oct. 2, 2024 there will be an appointment for decisions about applications. From the Chamber's point of view, however, we all had witnesses, said the judge. If there are no surprises, the taking of evidence is nearing completion. A plea would be possible in the second week of October.
*Proceedings before the 2nd Criminal Division in connection with five offenses against sexual self-determination. Possibly end of the taking of evidence on October 2nd, 2024, followed by the prosecutor's plea. The 2nd Criminal Division indicates that the taking of evidence could possibly be closed on October 2nd, 2024 - subject to any further motions for evidence & decisions on motions for evidence that are still pending. The prosecutor's plea could then follow.

 

[frank-cole]

the problem is the two witnesses who claimed they saw what they did on the tapes - one committed perjury during this trial and the other admitted they did in the 2019 trial which brings their supposed evidence into question tbh. You also have the fact that one at least had different versions apparently from the original statement and the other seemed a hostile witness.

You can keep trying to discredit every witness & coincidence in isolation. But I don’t see it that way. Multiple people all saying similar things - including victims.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

You can keep trying to discredit every witness & coincidence in isolation. But I don’t see it that way. Multiple people all saying similar things - including victims.

Most of the witnesses discredit themselves. Most of the coincidences come from discredited witnesses. MO.

 

[Davieson]

You can keep trying to discredit every witness & coincidence in isolation. But I don’t see it that way. Multiple people all saying similar things - including victims.

There's no need for any of us on here to discredit any thing as we have no influence. That's the role of the defence lawyers and they seem to be doing it quite successfully.

 

[UK Girl]

You can keep trying to discredit every witness & coincidence in isolation. But I don’t see it that way. Multiple people all saying similar things - including victims.

I am not trying to discredit anyone. All that I have said is the truth. HB and MS have both lied in courts which leaves people to wonder just what is true. Perjury is wrong

 

[UK Girl]

You can keep trying to discredit every witness & coincidence in isolation. But I don’t see it that way. Multiple people all saying similar things - including victims.

Like the Judge said some only care about getting a conviction and not about evidence.

 

[frank-cole]

the problem is the two witnesses who claimed they saw what they did on the tapes - one committed perjury during this trial and the other admitted they did in the 2019 trial which brings their supposed evidence into question tbh. You also have the fact that one at least had different versions apparently from the original statement and the other seemed a hostile witness.

You can keep trying to discredit every witness & coincidence in isolation. But I don’t see it that way. Multiple people all saying similar things - including victims.

I am not trying to discredit anyone. All that I have said is the truth. HB and MS have both lied in courts which leaves people to wonder just what is true. Perjury is wrong

Convicted perjurers are hard to trust. Corroboration is key. My point is that what they saw is very similar to what 2 rape victims said & what CB wrote about in his diary.

In my view, it’s impossible for these to be a series of coincidences, sneaky witnesses & incorrect victims. The accounts are eye catching - too similar not to be linked. IMO

 

[frank-cole]

There's no need for any of us on here to discredit any thing as we have no influence. That's the role of the defence lawyers and they seem to be doing it quite successfully.

Yes - There is no need to discredit the victims or take issue with the prosecutors…..

 

[UK Girl]

You can keep trying to discredit every witness & coincidence in isolation. But I don’t see it that way. Multiple people all saying similar things - including victims.

Convicted perjurers are hard to trust. Corroboration is key. My point is that what they saw is very similar to what 2 rape victims said & what CB wrote about in his diary.

In my view, it’s impossible for these to be a series of coincidences, sneaky witnesses & incorrect victims. The accounts are eye catching - too similar not to be linked. IMO

As you said they are hard to trust which is why many of us do not trust them

 

[UK Girl]

Yes - There is no need to discredit the victims or take issue with the prosecutors…..

If they are not doing a job or are not questioning discrepancies why would the prosecutor's not be called out?

 

[RichardKimble]

Staatsanwaltschaft fordert 15 Jahre Haft für Christian B.

Im Christian B.-Prozess sind für die Kammer alle Beweise erhoben. Aus Sicht der Staatsanwaltschaft gehört der Angeklagte für viele Jahre ins Gefängnis.

www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de

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Prosecutor demands 15 years in prison for Christian B.​

Braunschweig. All evidence is collected for the chamber in the Christian B. trial. From the prosecutor's point of view, the accused has been in prison for many years.

In the trial of Christian B., who is also suspected of Maddie, for serious sexual offenses, the public prosecutor demanded 15 years in prison for the accused. Following the prison sentence, accommodation in preventive detention is necessary, said Chief Prosecutor Ute Lindemann before the Braunschweig Regional Court. Should such a judgment come about, the accused could not be released after serving the sentence.

Lindemann had previously stated in a multi-hour plea why she found the accused guilty of two rapes and two cases of sexual abuse.
At the start of the trial, the 47-year-old German was accused of three rapes and two cases of child sexual abuse, which he is said to have committed in Portugal between 2000 and 2017. The accused should be acquitted of a rape allegation, Lindemann said. In the morning, the criminal division closed the evidence.


The trial attracts a lot of attention because the accused is suspected of murder in the case of the missing three-year-old Madeleine «Maddie » McCann. However, the Maddie complex is not officially the subject of the current process. The presumption of innocence applies. The defense plea is expected on Monday, and the verdict could be on Tuesday.

 

[RichardKimble]

So which rape charge are they saying ( prosecution) CB should be aquited of?

 

[Lilly b]

So which rape charge are they saying ( prosecution) CB should be aquited of?

Not sure, but the other 2 are the elderly lady and hb, as mentioned in @niners last update

 

[Lilly b]

So which rape charge are they saying ( prosecution) CB should be aquited of?

Think it's in this link

Madeleine McCann suspect Christian Brueckner 'boasted about his rapes in prison'

Brueckner, 47, is suspected of abducting and killing three-year-old Madeleine McCann in Praia da Luz, Portugal in May 2007 - but prosecutors appear no closer to proving he was behind it

www.mirror.co.uk

 

[RichardKimble]

Not sure, but the other 2 are the elderly lady and hb, as mentioned in @niners last update

But you can perm any one from the three, if it's believed one of the alleged filmed one's why not the other, is it the HaB one?