Elliot_Alderson
Well-Known Idiot
Has LE ruled him out of the other Gilgo Beach bodies? Should I even expect such a statement?
Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #3
- Thread starter DeDee
- Start date
New Posts
-
-
Did Anyone know that pic of Georgia Wixted was taken by him?
- Latest: saygoodbyetohollywood
- Status
Expanding on my earlier post about unsolved FBI cold cases, I now add in all adjacent states giving a list as follows:
My initial observation was that California was extraordinarily high in the number of unsolved cases of this type. However, I then realised that the population of California is probably very high. So in the last two columns I've scaled the number of unsolved murders of these types, as a per 1,000,000 in the population figure. This actually makes Nevada and Oregon the more disturbing.
Takeaways:
= The total of unsolved murders of this type are 387 between 1988 and 2013 (Dataset cuts off at 2014).
= The average per million people living in these states is 2.73 (rounded up, 3 girls or women unsolved).
= The states with the most unsolved are by far, California, followed by Georgia, Pennsylvania and New Jersey
= The states with the most unsolved per capita are Nevada, California, Georgia and Oregon.
= The majority are white (includes hispanic), with a ratio to black of approximately 1.56 to 1.
= Of the RH 'property states': New York has a low rate per capita, Nevada has a huge rate and S Carolina seems to have none in this dataset.
Source: mucbetam's websleuths.com cut of Murder Accountability Project Data, founded by Thomas Hargrove.
Important caveats: Not quality assured; potentially contains data and calculation errors; not an 'official' gov dataset; some may have been solved since this dataset
Any questions, let me know.
PS. Any LE working in this or related areas, I am out of contract, and available from c. 31 August or before if you or your team have data/stats/modelling/analytical/resource need, feel free to reach out by DM.
- South Carolina
- Georgia
- North Carolina
- Nevada
- California
- Oregon
- Idaho
- Utah
- Arizona
- New York
- Pennsylvania
- New Jersey
- Connecticut
- Massachusetts
- Vermont
My initial observation was that California was extraordinarily high in the number of unsolved cases of this type. However, I then realised that the population of California is probably very high. So in the last two columns I've scaled the number of unsolved murders of these types, as a per 1,000,000 in the population figure. This actually makes Nevada and Oregon the more disturbing.
Takeaways:
= The total of unsolved murders of this type are 387 between 1988 and 2013 (Dataset cuts off at 2014).
= The average per million people living in these states is 2.73 (rounded up, 3 girls or women unsolved).
= The states with the most unsolved are by far, California, followed by Georgia, Pennsylvania and New Jersey
= The states with the most unsolved per capita are Nevada, California, Georgia and Oregon.
= The majority are white (includes hispanic), with a ratio to black of approximately 1.56 to 1.
= Of the RH 'property states': New York has a low rate per capita, Nevada has a huge rate and S Carolina seems to have none in this dataset.
Source: mucbetam's websleuths.com cut of Murder Accountability Project Data, founded by Thomas Hargrove.
Important caveats: Not quality assured; potentially contains data and calculation errors; not an 'official' gov dataset; some may have been solved since this dataset
Any questions, let me know.
PS. Any LE working in this or related areas, I am out of contract, and available from c. 31 August or before if you or your team have data/stats/modelling/analytical/resource need, feel free to reach out by DM.
Last edited:
citizen_sleuth
Verified family member - Orie Donald Esh thread
- Joined
- Aug 2, 2021
- Messages
- 2,182
- Reaction score
- 21,855
I went through all of the photos and articles I could find about the searches which have been conducted since RH's arrest and compiled a list of the items seized so far (ETA: items listed in bold are items I think are noteworthy and/or have not been discussed here previously):
- Black Chevy Avalanche (Friday, July 14)
- Cooler (Friday, July 14)
- Black leather chair/ottoman with wooden legs (Friday, July 14)
- Box containing miscellaneous items including an open pack of red Solo cups and what appears to be a bag of cat treats (Saturday, July 15)
- Copy machine, seized from RH's office in Midtown Manhattan (Saturday, July 15)
- Large item wrapped in gray plastic and sealed with red evidence tape (Saturday, July 15)
- Wood panel (Saturday, July 15)
- Large black metal filing cabinet (Saturday, July 15)
- Plastic bag containing miscellaneous items, including an empty box of cough syrup and a small gum ball machine (Saturday, July 15)
- Stack of books (Saturday, July 15)
- Carved wooden glass-front case containing a blond-haired doll (Saturday, July 15)
- Cat scratch pole and food (Saturday, July 15)
- Bag of miscellaneous items, including a Nespresso box and what appears to be a stuffed animal (Saturday, July 15)
- Framed photo of a fighter jet (Saturday, July 15)
- Bag of what appears to be toys and stuffed animals (Sunday, July 16)
- Box containing some type of wooden object (Sunday, July 16)
- Bin containing rifles (Sunday, July 16)
- Box containing what appears to be electronics (Sunday, July 16)
- Torn-open recliner chair (Sunday, July 16)
- Multiple rifles, including one with a scope (Sunday, July 16)
- Winchester rifle case (Monday, July 17)
- Playboy magazines (Monday, July 17)
- Film negatives (Monday, July 17)
- Poster of the TV show "M.A.S.H." (Monday, July 17)
- Metal rifle case, nondescript (Monday, July 17)
- Camouflage fabric rifle case (Monday, July 17)
- Antique firearm case (Monday, July 17)
- Unframed painting of a blond-haired woman with dark pupils and bruising underneath the eye (Monday, July 17)
- Honey-colored wooden chest of drawers (Monday, July 17)
- Stack of manila envelopes, presumably containing evidence, one with "#b2" written on it (Tuesday, July 18)
- Pet cat (Tuesday, July 18)
- Framed "Lichtenstein: The Princely Collection" art poster (Tuesday, July 18)
- Red lifejacket (Tuesday, July 18)
- Miscellaneous papers and newspaper clippings (Tuesday, July 18)
- Old Playboy magazines (Tuesday, July 18)
- Red electric guitar with embroidered blue strap (Tuesday, July 18)
- Box of items including what appears to be a grenade (Tuesday, July 18)
- Stack of magazines and a sample price list for weapons (Tuesday, July 18)
- Dell computer tower (Tuesday, July 18)
- Large empty carved picture frame (Tuesday, July 18)
- Piece of wood, possibly a vinyl wood table top (Tuesday, July 18)
- Mirror with blue frame (Tuesday, July 18)
- Large item with red fabric, possibly a hammock or umbrella (Tuesday, July 18)
- Black Chevy Avalanche (Friday, July 14)
- Cooler (Friday, July 14)
- Black leather chair/ottoman with wooden legs (Friday, July 14)
- Box containing miscellaneous items including an open pack of red Solo cups and what appears to be a bag of cat treats (Saturday, July 15)
- Copy machine, seized from RH's office in Midtown Manhattan (Saturday, July 15)
- Large item wrapped in gray plastic and sealed with red evidence tape (Saturday, July 15)
- Wood panel (Saturday, July 15)
- Large black metal filing cabinet (Saturday, July 15)
- Plastic bag containing miscellaneous items, including an empty box of cough syrup and a small gum ball machine (Saturday, July 15)
- Stack of books (Saturday, July 15)
- Carved wooden glass-front case containing a blond-haired doll (Saturday, July 15)
- Cat scratch pole and food (Saturday, July 15)
- Bag of miscellaneous items, including a Nespresso box and what appears to be a stuffed animal (Saturday, July 15)
- Framed photo of a fighter jet (Saturday, July 15)
- Bag of what appears to be toys and stuffed animals (Sunday, July 16)
- Box containing some type of wooden object (Sunday, July 16)
- Bin containing rifles (Sunday, July 16)
- Box containing what appears to be electronics (Sunday, July 16)
- Torn-open recliner chair (Sunday, July 16)
- Multiple rifles, including one with a scope (Sunday, July 16)
- Winchester rifle case (Monday, July 17)
- Playboy magazines (Monday, July 17)
- Film negatives (Monday, July 17)
- Poster of the TV show "M.A.S.H." (Monday, July 17)
- Metal rifle case, nondescript (Monday, July 17)
- Camouflage fabric rifle case (Monday, July 17)
- Antique firearm case (Monday, July 17)
- Unframed painting of a blond-haired woman with dark pupils and bruising underneath the eye (Monday, July 17)
- Honey-colored wooden chest of drawers (Monday, July 17)
- Stack of manila envelopes, presumably containing evidence, one with "#b2" written on it (Tuesday, July 18)
- Pet cat (Tuesday, July 18)
- Framed "Lichtenstein: The Princely Collection" art poster (Tuesday, July 18)
- Red lifejacket (Tuesday, July 18)
- Miscellaneous papers and newspaper clippings (Tuesday, July 18)
- Old Playboy magazines (Tuesday, July 18)
- Red electric guitar with embroidered blue strap (Tuesday, July 18)
- Box of items including what appears to be a grenade (Tuesday, July 18)
- Stack of magazines and a sample price list for weapons (Tuesday, July 18)
- Dell computer tower (Tuesday, July 18)
- Large empty carved picture frame (Tuesday, July 18)
- Piece of wood, possibly a vinyl wood table top (Tuesday, July 18)
- Mirror with blue frame (Tuesday, July 18)
- Large item with red fabric, possibly a hammock or umbrella (Tuesday, July 18)
Last edited:
I also wonder if talking about the crimes with sex workers was a way to feel "close" to his crimes, maybe even a kind of approximation, perhaps in moments where recreating them directly would have been impossible or too risky (i.e., family in town). It was obviously a high priority for him to continue seeing sex workers, even if he was unable, or chose not, to commit violent crimes against them. It sounds like he may have also discussed the murders with others, but I'm sure that discussing them with sex workers was a way of expanding and fulfilling his fantasy life. JMO.
Ex-escort recounts chilling date with accused Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Heuermann
Former escort Nicole Brass said she got “a really, really bad feeling” during her dinner date with Rex Heuermann.nypost.com
NY Post, I know, but we now have a former sex worker detailing an unsettling encounter with RH.
I find it incredibly creepy and disturbing that he chose to talk about his own alleged killings on a date. At this point, his dumping grounds had already been discovered. Was he still killing at this point and had found a different dumping ground? He wanted her to go back with him – did he just plan on having sex with her, or did he actually plan on killing her? Was he trying to set the stage for some kind of fantasy by bringing up he killings earlier in the night? Glad she trusted her instinct and hightailed it out of there.
I suspect that more of these stories will be coming out. Women who are still in sex work might be fearful to share any past encounters with him
JMO
x_files
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Dec 29, 2008
- Messages
- 7,878
- Reaction score
- 35,687
I think this will be an ongoing investigation for decades to come.
Hi - great informatics - what is the significance of your highlighting / emboldenment please?
citizen_sleuth
Verified family member - Orie Donald Esh thread
- Joined
- Aug 2, 2021
- Messages
- 2,182
- Reaction score
- 21,855
The items in bold are what I consider to be possibly significant pieces of evidence and/or items I have not seen discussed here on WS
fidgeypie
Find Ashley Loring Heavyrunner
- Joined
- Jun 8, 2017
- Messages
- 415
- Reaction score
- 2,201
Someone has put her details in the group for Othram, so maybe they will be able to work their magic. The more I learn about the sex trade the more my heart breaks for these girls
Inthedetails
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Jul 15, 2014
- Messages
- 26,942
- Reaction score
- 175,035
Hang on to this list! I can imagine it might come in handy later.
Good work.
jmo
Oakie
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Aug 8, 2020
- Messages
- 827
- Reaction score
- 4,720
Duck hunters carry around huge duffels filled with decoys at nearly every hunt. It would attract no attention at all.
Inthedetails
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Jul 15, 2014
- Messages
- 26,942
- Reaction score
- 175,035
Hmmmm.....so would he prefer to travel by the Avalanche under the cover of darkness to hide the bodies or do it in the daytime as a '"hunter" and get the thrill of being disgusting in plain sight?
jmo
Oakie
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Aug 8, 2020
- Messages
- 827
- Reaction score
- 4,720
My guess is that he did it in the wee hours of the morning, just dragging the corpses out of the bed of his truck. This would take the least time, only seconds for a large man like him to pick up a petite young female and toss her into the marsh or dune grasses. That long, straight road would have allowed him to see headlights from a long way off....he could have timed his dumping for when no one was around, just a few seconds of effort and he's off.
LongIsland731
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Jul 19, 2023
- Messages
- 54
- Reaction score
- 527
No one is hunting in that area like that. Its hard to get a permit. Duck season is in December. Temps in the area with windchill can be below zero. If you look below at the hunting areas for Long island, at the bottom left, the "babylon marsh" is the only place you can hunt near the bodies. they give out a VERY small number of permits a year. There isn't a big gun/hunting culture around here. This isn't the middle of PA where hunting season is a big deal. If anything manorville is at the center of hunting on long island. I have yet to see concrete evidence or reporting that he was a duck hunter.
It’s a scary world
So when they arrested RH..he had the burner phone in his possession. OMG IDIOT!
Arrest and Search of Heuermann, His Residence and Other Locations On or about the evening of July 13, 2023, Defendant Rex A. Heuermann was arrested by Suffolk County Police Officers. Searches of his residence, as well as other locations are currently ongoing. At the time of his arrest, Defendant Heuermann had on his person the burner cellphone 347- 304-2671 which was linked to the Thawk Email Account used to conduct the online searches described above.
Arrest and Search of Heuermann, His Residence and Other Locations On or about the evening of July 13, 2023, Defendant Rex A. Heuermann was arrested by Suffolk County Police Officers. Searches of his residence, as well as other locations are currently ongoing. At the time of his arrest, Defendant Heuermann had on his person the burner cellphone 347- 304-2671 which was linked to the Thawk Email Account used to conduct the online searches described above.
Great work compiling this!
It’s a scary world
Here is the original Americas Most Wanted segment on Midtown Jane Doe for those who are interested. They aired it 2-3 timesMidtown Jane Doe Killer - New York - 1987-2003 | America's Most Wanted Fans (an unofficial true crime media fan forum with focus on fugitive manhunts)
LongIsland731
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Jul 19, 2023
- Messages
- 54
- Reaction score
- 527
I'm not saying I don't think he never hunted just not often. Hunting is physically demanding. He doesn't look active. Plus Just that its not really popular around here, especially in that area. Only legal in the winter and doesn't look like something he did often. If he was an avid hunter would have been some taxidermy or deer heads being taken out his home. I think we are placing too much emphasis on the "duck hunter" theory. I'm big into firearms and such and many many of my friends are too and I don't know a single person that's hunted there. they give out like 7 permits a year for babylon marsh. I don't know many people who even fish in that area. the better fishing areas are east of Gilgo Beach.
Last edited:
Friday13
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- Feb 4, 2017
- Messages
- 206
- Reaction score
- 2,376
This is a fantastic list, awesome job on this!
Thank you for this article. It says he has a missing left front tooth. I find this slightly unusual since he was in the consulting business and might have to meet new clients and pitch his services. I wonder if one of his victims kicked him in the teeth.
- Status