Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #6

[Charlot123]

While many killers have been frightening... Israel Keyes is one of those at the top of my list. The world is better that he's no longer alive but I worry about others like him. jmo

I feel there must have been many more that the eleven on his list. But his childhood was so unbelievably strange, too.

 

[Charlot123]

This is off-the-wall, but I wonder if he requested they bring a Bible??

jmo

In Melbourne Old Gaol, convicts used Bibles as hiding places. The one I saw in their museum was cut out to hide contraband. I am thinking that someone can hide microfilms, or use a Bible to write something in it, or for cryptography. JMO.

 

[Eaglette]

Look at all us Australians keeping up with this case !!

Better True Crime.... than a fantasy story !!!

 

[Arkay]

Prosecutors in Gilgo Beach killings are giving Rex Heuermann’s defense a vast trove of evidence

RIVERHEAD, N.Y. (AP) — Weeks after charging a Long Island architect in a string of killings known as the Gilgo Beach murders, prosecutors said Tuesday that they’ve begun providing his lawyer …

thehill.com

Understanding the Evidence & Murder Charges Against Rex Heuermann: The “Gilgo Four” Long Island Serial Killer Indictment

Whether or not law enforcement shocked Rex Heuermann when they arrested the architect outside his midtown Manhattan office for murdering the "Gilgo Four", Suffolk County prosecutors’ application ...

www.newyorkcriminallawyer-blog.com

Pavor, as a new poster you have the right to your opinions here, as do we all.

IMO though you seem to be going out of your way to disregard all the evidence that has been collected by LE so far, tons of evidence that point to RH as LISK.

As to his appearance, it’s not RH’s fault that he’s so tall. His height is not the problem. The problem is his persona as demonstrated by his search history——illegal and perverted searches for child *advertiser censored*, rape *advertiser censored*, obsessive searches about the Gilgo Beach murders, searches about their family members, and so on.

IMO that demonstrates a predilection for violence and twisted sexual tastes.

That all COULD be fantasies, though still illegal to search online. But as I’m certain you know from reading here, LE has 2500 pages so far of evidence against RH that they’ve turned over to the defense, with much more to come.

As other posters have pointed out, how did RH’s wife’s hair get on the corpses? Clearly that had to have happened shortly before they died, or they would’ve had the opportunity to shower after their encounter with someone with RH’s wife’s hair.. Or alternatively have hair from other johns and their family members on their corpses as well.

I think that you are aware of this. JMO

 

[Pavor Nocturnus]

It isn't just the pinging that links the phones, these days data puts a phone making the exact same journey as another phone (1 personal / 1 burner) phones in exactly the same locales, travelling exact same route at exact same times - that can't be argued...

How about in 2010? And if the burner phones and Heuermann's own phone were connecting to the same towers why didn't they mention that? As I said, for Heuernann's own phone it's always unnamed call locations in New York City.

 

[kittythehare]

How about in 2010? And if the burner phones and Heuermann's own phone were connecting to the same towers why didn't they mention that? As I said, for Heuernann's own phone it's always unnamed call locations in New York City.

Can't imagine, maybe you can write and ask them?

 

[Pavor Nocturnus]

Prosecutors in Gilgo Beach killings are giving Rex Heuermann’s defense a vast trove of evidence

RIVERHEAD, N.Y. (AP) — Weeks after charging a Long Island architect in a string of killings known as the Gilgo Beach murders, prosecutors said Tuesday that they’ve begun providing his lawyer …

thehill.com

Understanding the Evidence & Murder Charges Against Rex Heuermann: The “Gilgo Four” Long Island Serial Killer Indictment

Whether or not law enforcement shocked Rex Heuermann when they arrested the architect outside his midtown Manhattan office for murdering the "Gilgo Four", Suffolk County prosecutors’ application ...

www.newyorkcriminallawyer-blog.com

Pavor, as a new poster you have the right to your opinions here, as do we all.

IMO though you seem to be going out of your way to disregard all the evidence that has been collected by LE so far, tons of evidence that point to RH as LISK.

As to his appearance, it’s not RH’s fault that he’s so tall. His height is not the problem. The problem is his persona as demonstrated by his search history——illegal and perverted searches for child *advertiser censored*, rape *advertiser censored*, obsessive searches about the Gilgo Beach murders, searches about their family members, and so on.

IMO that demonstrates a predilection for violence and twisted sexual tastes.

That all COULD be fantasies, though still illegal. But as I’m certain you know from reading here, LE has 2500 pages so far of evidence against RH that they’ve turned over to the defense, with much more to come.

As other posters have pointed out, how did RH’s wife’s hair get on the corpses? Clearly that had to have happened shortly before they died, or they would’ve had the opportunity to shower after their encounter with someone with RH’s wife’s hair.. Or alternatively have hair from other johns and their family members on their corpses as well.

I think that you are aware of this. JMO

The highest match percentage of the female hairs excluded 99.98% of the North American population. Let's limit that percentage to the Long Island population in 2010. That would be 15.136 possible matches.

 

[Pavor Nocturnus]

Can't imagine, maybe you can write and ask them?

Heuermann's lawyer will certainly bring that up. And the time differences too.

 

[iamshadow21]

How about in 2010? And if the burner phones and Heuermann's own phone were connecting to the same towers why didn't they mention that? As I said, for Heuernann's own phone it's always unnamed call locations in New York City.

I think perhaps you're misunderstanding why they included that information. RH was in NYC when calls were being made from NYC. If, say, his phone had placed him far from NYC, it would raise doubt as to whether he could have made the calls from the victims' phones. Instead, his phone places him in the vicinity, and he was actively using it between making calls to the victims' family.

MOO

 

[Arkay]

How about in 2010? And if the burner phones and Heuermann's own phone were connecting to the same towers why didn't they mention that? As I said, for Heuernann's own phone it's always unnamed call locations in New York City.

If you read the info that is linked, you will see that this is untrue.
There are specific references in the city, such as by the 59th St. Bridge, and multiple calls from RH’s phone at Massapequa Park to the girls’ phones, plus the cell phone records that were subpoenaed on RH’s phone from back when the murders occurred.

Even some of the less specific calls from his phone still originated in Midtown Manhattan, while RH was working in Midtown Manhattan, directly to the victim’s cell phones.

If you care to read the linked info you will see the facts laid out by LE.

 

[iamshadow21]

The highest match percentage of the female hairs excluded 99.98% of the North American population. Let's limit that percentage to the Long Island population in 2010. That would be 15.136 possible matches.

That's assuming the population of the US is homogenous, with every area having exactly the same mix of backgrounds. RH's wife is Icelandic. Apart from her direct family, how many Icelandic Long Islanders are there? I presume there would be more than just her family, but I doubt it would be a large number.

MOO

 

[kittythehare]

Heuermann's lawyer will certainly bring that up. And the time differences too.

Right. NY has two time zones, then?

 

[hazel324]

Understanding the Evidence & Murder Charges Against Rex Heuermann: The “Gilgo Four” Long Island Serial Killer Indictment

Whether or not law enforcement shocked Rex Heuermann when they arrested the architect outside his midtown Manhattan office for murdering the "Gilgo Four", Suffolk County prosecutors’ application ...

www.newyorkcriminallawyer-blog.com

Pavor, as a new poster you have the right to your opinions here, as do we all.

I think that you are aware of this. JMO

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This is (another) great article providing info on evidence, thank you

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[Mirabel091]

Heuermann's lawyer will certainly bring that up. And the time differences too.

It's his lawyers job to do that, certainly. Everyone has the right to be defended in court no matter what they are accused of, or how scary we might think they look.

For me, IMO, there are too many coincidences to dismiss lightly. But I do hope they found something in their searches to back up the initial claims.

 

[Warwick7]

Yes, I'm reading it but I get confused. At one time they seem to be claiming he was using THREE phones (his own phone, a burner and Melissa Barthelemy's phone). They never write what cell towers Heuermann's own phone attached to. It just states New York City? And it's usually at least an hour between "switches".

It's a Bail Document. Not trial.
They didn't need to go into every chronological detail, it wasn't the time or place.
What you are looking for will come out at trial...moo

 

[Lyanna]

sorry, you misunderstood my question....I'm familiar with a fair amount of US legal terms but not "motions"

I know what the buccal swab is and can see it was filed on 1 July (for reference of differences - in my country date would be written 01/08 instead of the way round you guys write it )

So you enquired why swab was under motions - I still don't know what that means...

I'm wondering why they're requesting the court to make a decision on a buccal swab.
That's what I understand the term to mean anyway - a motion is a request to the court to decide on something. Could be completely way off as IANAL, but it seemed a little odd to me. What is it about the buccal swab that needs a decision? Would expect a swab to be taken when someone is arrested on murder charges (again, possibly wrong in my expectation here!) so is the swab is from something else and before he was charged so the defence doesn't want it used?
Just seemed a little strange to me

Moo

 

[Warwick7]

Well, alot of people would ping those towers. They haven't specified what towers, have they? Massapequa Park had a population of 17k in 2010. Midtown Manhattan is probably more or less worthless as evidence of anything.

As far as I understand the DNA found is mitochondrial DNA? How accurate is that? I can't find the source again but when I googled it some time ago it was like 99.6% accurate as far as I can recall. There are over 8 million people living on Long Island. Take 0.4% of that and you have about two Massapequa Parks worth of matches.

But then again, I wish I could find out how accurate it is. Must be online somewhere. Maybe there's a DNA expert on this site?

LE didn't need 99.6% accuracy. They needed a legal arrest. LE acquired just that.

 

[Pavor Nocturnus]

That's assuming the population of the US is homogenous, with every area having exactly the same mix of backgrounds. RH's wife is Icelandic. Apart from her direct family, how many Icelandic Long Islanders are there? I presume there would be more than just her family, but I doubt it would be a large number.

MOO

The result was not "Icelandic hair" but "mitochondrial haplogroup K1c2". That could mean German hair too.

K1c2 mtDNA Haplogroup

Wiki page on K1c2 mtDNA Haplogroup.

www.wikitree.com

 

[Warwick7]

How about in 2010? And if the burner phones and Heuermann's own phone were connecting to the same towers why didn't they mention that? As I said, for Heuernann's own phone it's always unnamed call locations in New York City.

Was there a need to mention that? Looks to me they got what they wanted. They had what they need to secure an arrest.

 

[Pavor Nocturnus]

Right. NY has two time zones, then?

The time difference between burner phones attaching to cell towers and Heuermann's own phone connecting to cell towers.