Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 4 murders, July 2023 #10

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What would a sadist think was amusing to see another human being do for money and how would he go about making that happen?
You hit the nail on the head! I think your comment sums up what this investigation is about. What a sadist would do to another human being, particularly one he is supposed to be paying like you say, is at the core of this case.
 
The so called "sworn testimony' has not yet been announced as being reliable. To me, that's not relevant to Ray's assessment of those who participate in sexual activity with other consenting adults, with or without their partners.
I would suggest you research upside-down pineapples and read some about law-abiding, not sexually deviant, couples and singles.

Ray's blaming these activities for having any part in RH being a sexual predator is wrong and contrary to any known research on sexual development and violence merging in the brain.

Traumatic events in childhood and during puberty can have a profound effect on the developing brain.

From one article:
"Data from previously conducted interviews, serial killers’ manifestos, and historical records were used to conduct a comparative analysis of the behaviors, techniques, and identification signatures of serial killers. Data were coded and categorized to identify the relationship between sexual fantasies and violent behavior. Results indicated that serial killers base their signatures and modus operandi on sexual fantasies developed through childhood traumatic experiences. Findings may be used to improve the profiling of suspects and mitigate the threat of serial killers’ violent behavior resulting in positive social change."

From Peter Vronsky, author, historian, SK researcher
"And often that capacity is grafted onto a sexual impulse – aggression sexualized at puberty."

And sometimes you get people who are just pure evil regardless of nature or nurture IMO.
 
I'd be worried about the wording of this, because I think it could potentially prevent, say, incest victims from writing books about their experiences.

Also, I think there would be a loss of something in the field of writing about true crime if family members were disallowed from contributing. One of the best books I read this year was Mikal Gilmore's book, Shot in the Heart, about his experience being Gary Gilmore's little brother. Under these laws, that book wouldn't be allowed to exist.

MOO
 
I'd be worried about the wording of this, because I think it could potentially prevent, say, incest victims from writing books about their experiences.

Also, I think there would be a loss of something in the field of writing about true crime if family members were disallowed from contributing. One of the best books I read this year was Mikal Gilmore's book, Shot in the Heart, about his experience being Gary Gilmore's little brother. Under these laws, that book wouldn't be allowed to exist.

MOO
Why couldn't they still write their book or be a part of documentaries? So long as they don't profit from the proceeds.
 
That seems like stifling free speech and punishing people who had absolutely nothing to do with the crimes, IMO.
How is it punishing people though? If they want to write a book, then go ahead, write a book, tell the world their story, which can be very healing. But why should they profit from sharing their thoughts, ideas or experiences about someone else's crimes? It's gruesome, repugnant, unfair, imo. This is my opinion and you may think it's fair game for people to profit off of crime. I do not agree and I applaud this politician for trying to make a change to a toxic system. MOO.
 
How is it punishing people though? If they want to write a book, then go ahead, write a book, tell the world their story, which can be very healing. But why should they profit from sharing their thoughts, ideas or experiences about someone else's crimes? It's gruesome, repugnant, unfair, imo. This is my opinion and you may think it's fair game for people to profit off of crime. I do not agree and I applaud this politician for trying to make a change to a toxic system. MOO.
A scenario:

As a victim of crime committed by an acquaintance or a stranger, I could write my story, and the profits from that book could be mine. I could use them however I wished.

But if the person who committed that crime against me is a family member, I am not allowed to get those profits. They have to be given away, even though I am every bit as much a victim as the person in the first scenario.

That is the problem I see potentially arising from this law, should it go through.

MOO
 
I am happy to see the proposed rules/regulations and attempt to control the ability to take advantage or earn monies/profit from such tragic events. And I don’t disagree that it should not punish a true victim. In this particular case, there seem to be many questions as to motivations and involvement with the apparent ‘docu-drama’.

But at the same time, look at the complications that have arisen in the State of SC with the Alex Murdaugh double murder case in which a public official worked on and published a book in the closing days of that case. MOO
 
How is it punishing people though? If they want to write a book, then go ahead, write a book, tell the world their story, which can be very healing. But why should they profit from sharing their thoughts, ideas or experiences about someone else's crimes? It's gruesome, repugnant, unfair, imo. This is my opinion and you may think it's fair game for people to profit off of crime. I do not agree and I applaud this politician for trying to make a change to a toxic system. MOO.
I enjoy 'true crime' books TV shows and films. In the book written by Truman Capote, and the movie based on the book, writers, authors, publishers, producers, actors and many others profited on someone else's crimes.

I believe there are laws already in existence preventing the convicted criminal from financially benefiting from their crime. MOO
 
A scenario:

As a victim of crime committed by an acquaintance or a stranger, I could write my story, and the profits from that book could be mine. I could use them however I wished.

But if the person who committed that crime against me is a family member, I am not allowed to get those profits. They have to be given away, even though I am every bit as much a victim as the person in the first scenario.
This proposed law, has good intentions, feels right, but doesn’t divert funds to victims, just might shift more profits to media firms who can profit from story but are blocked from paying certain sources.
Public loves a true crime (Dahmer on Netflix story huge global audience). The story will spin millions for many many content creators, advertisers & subscribers will pay … and somehow the ire is focused on AE, and she is called a ghoul? We, the consumers, are the ghouls (a person morbidly interested in death or disaster). JMO
 
I'd be worried about the wording of this, because I think it could potentially prevent, say, incest victims from writing books about their experiences.

Also, I think there would be a loss of something in the field of writing about true crime if family members were disallowed from contributing. One of the best books I read this year was Mikal Gilmore's book, Shot in the Heart, about his experience being Gary Gilmore's little brother. Under these laws, that book wouldn't be allowed to exist.

MOO
I agree and it appears that they didn't think this through.
By Asa signing with Peacock now and financially profiting from whatever her role is instead of waiting for the trial/plea deal to be over is what probably triggered the want to change the SOS laws.
Do you know the timeline when Mikal's book was published?
 
I'd be worried about the wording of this, because I think it could potentially prevent, say, incest victims from writing books about their experiences.

Also, I think there would be a loss of something in the field of writing about true crime if family members were disallowed from contributing. One of the best books I read this year was Mikal Gilmore's book, Shot in the Heart, about his experience being Gary Gilmore's little brother. Under these laws, that book wouldn't be allowed to exist.

MOO

The wording of the bill I linked to requires the profits be reported to the state's victim assistance fund. Assume they will have a say in who gets the money in each situation.
 
I agree and it appears that they didn't think this through.
By Asa signing with Peacock now and financially profiting from whatever her role is instead of waiting for the trial/plea deal to be over is what probably triggered the want to change the SOS laws.
Do you know the timeline when Mikal's book was published?
Mikal published his book in 1994. Gary Gilmore was executed in '77.
 
Here's a link to the page in the Son of Sam legislation that will be amended. This is just one page of the Son of Sam law. The description of media companies is referring to the entities who must contact the state victims assistance organization. The recipient and use of funds is described in a different section of the Son of Sam law.

Current NY Senate Bill # S7774

https://legislation.nysenate.gov/pdf/bills/2023/S7774

Wikipedia page re Son of Sam Laws


There have been changes to the law over the years due to court challenges. But I believe it's set up so that, if profits are covered by the Son of Sam law, the a state agency plays a role in how the income for a convict is distributed.
 
It was a good book, though very depressing. Mikal Gilmore was/is a very good writer. Used to read his articles in Rolling Stone.
It's one of the best treatments of generational trauma and family dysfunction I've ever read. And if you stop people being able to write about that kind of thing, then there is going to be a great loss to the world of nonfiction. You're going to not only lose stuff like Gilmore's work, but virtually anything written by incest and domestic violence survivors. People deserve to be paid for their work, and mining your own pain to try to create something that other people can relate to and find comfort and kinship in definitely counts as work. Most of us can't afford to work for free.

To bring this back to the case at hand, I think that whatever profit AE makes is not going to directly benefit her STBX. It's probably going to go right into the pocket of her own lawyer to cover ongoing fees. But whatever happens, it's not really our business, as she hasn't been named a suspect in this case; quite the opposite.

MOO
 
That seems like stifling free speech and punishing people who had absolutely nothing to do with the crimes, IMO.
I'm not taking a side, because I dont disagree with you or forest wood.but I will say this: sometimes getting the truth out is the motivation for a memoir or a documentary. The reward does not have to be financial profit.

the right to free speech isn't in question. It's the profiting from selling a story rather than just telling it for free is being debated. But still, I think the essence of your point might be, not everybody can give it away for free, and there could be unintended consequences of taking son of Sam laws too far.

it gets very complicated to define profiting. Already, AE is not being paid for her appearance, she is charging a licensing fee for the footage she is letting them take and keeping control of. this loop hole is common on the US, because news stations dont pay people for their stories. talking heads who aren't anchors or reporters end up being contributors or something. There are ways around the US journalism standards of not buying stories. And it is hard to imagine a way to get the ick out of this arrangement with peacock that does not have unintended consequences that are negative.

its a tough one, but this (AE and Macedonio doing what they are doing before there is even a trial) is so distasteful it does seem worth the trouble to grapple with this very serious and complex media issue.

MOO
 
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