Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 6 murders, July 2023 #14

My theory which depends on misleading clues, basically comes down to attacking some victims right after they’ve been with someone else. I also think that the WH belt was a mislead and it surely wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t leave the creepy punishment dolls by the GB4 or the wood chips on the two victims that Bittrolff was found guilty of killing. Also changing up his murder weapons and means, sometimes strangulation, sometimes smashing heads in, sometimes stabbing them or mutilating parts of them, sometimes dismembering and possibly, in the early days, even flashing his lights at women driving alone to get them to pull over- acting helpful, getting them in his truck and then knocking them out or strangling them. Also, killing men and women and dumping them in areas known for gang or mafia body dumps or in abandoned buildings known for drug users and homeless people. He even left some clothed, some half naked and others naked. He changed up the wrappings he used on more recent victims. The few things that didn’t seem to change were him leaving victims outside and driving a pickup truck. This creature seems to have studied many notorious SKs and wanted to do his own version of a greatest hits.

I like the idea about attacking a victim right after she has been with someone else. Makes me think of SG and how she
was being chased by someone and trying to hide under a boat after leaving Michael Brewer's house for a "date" mOO
 
I like the idea about attacking a victim right after she has been with someone else. Makes me think of SG and how she
was being chased by someone and trying to hide under a boat after leaving Michael Brewer's house for a "date" mOO
Yes, because there are two elements that we know the killer employed. He stalked at least two of the Gilgo 4 victims and he seems to have groomed some of them. ALC saw him more than once. Melissa B’s bf thought she saw a regular on LI.

The killer seems to be a lurker. Lingering around outside or on just on the periphery of gatherings and group activities, etc. I suspect he watched his prey and once he settled on someone, he paid close attention to there patterns and the people they worked with and for. We know that he called MBB’s BF, after her disappearance and took pleasure in describing Johnny’s tattoos and distinguishing features. JT and maybe MBB’s little sister said he sounded drunk.
 
early on when we all started trying to figure this out...I posted here somewhere that I thought this guy had to be big and at least 6'4" in order to handle the terrain in the marsh , that he probably tied up the bodies in a way so he could pitch them off the back of his pick up and over the bramble where they were found. If you were tall enough you could swing and pitch into the area where they were discovered.
Im not sure if that's really possible, but it's what I envisioned..well he sure is tall and has a big old pick up..yep. so maybe..I definitely think he stalked and groomed his victims. I think he called Shannon's family , I think he is an outrageously bold killer and has taken some serious chances which may be why he started making lists and organizing further. mOO
 
Wow! Macedonio went full on Rex defense team in a Court TV episode. I will link it if that source is allowed.

He went on a mini- rampage that the houses in Massapequa Park are "Like 20 feet apart from each other. How is he [Rex] getting bodies in and out of there?"

(Quote may not be exact, it's from memory.)

Macedonio appeared to me to be using his air time to do what Rex's attorney should be doing.

He also said Rex was the third perp fingered by John Ray. As if the other two didn't pan out, why would this one. Macedonia was treating John Ray like the prosecutor, and sowing doubt.

In reality, there is something very suspicious about the three people Macedonia said John Ray pointed to. PH clearly inserted himself suspiciously into Shannan's murder; Burke actually did time and did interfere severely in the LISK investigation. The evidence against Rex appears extremely convincing. So it's not like the people who John Ray pointed out were frivolous. It is disgraceful that Macedonia would mock pointing to PH, Burke or Rex Heuermann.

Who is paying Macedonio to defend Rex Heuermann?

MOO
 
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My theory which depends on misleading clues, basically comes down to attacking some victims right after they’ve been with someone else. I also think that the WH belt was a mislead and it surely wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t leave the creepy punishment dolls by the GB4 or the wood chips on the two victims that Bittrolff was found guilty of killing. Also changing up his murder weapons and means, sometimes strangulation, sometimes smashing heads in, sometimes stabbing them or mutilating parts of them, sometimes dismembering and possibly, in the early days, even flashing his lights at women driving alone to get them to pull over- acting helpful, getting them in his truck and then knocking them out or strangling them. Also, killing men and women and dumping them in areas known for gang or mafia body dumps or in abandoned buildings known for drug users and homeless people. He even left some clothed, some half naked and others naked. He changed up the wrappings he used on more recent victims. The few things that didn’t seem to change were him leaving victims outside and driving a pickup truck. This creature seems to have studied many notorious SKs and wanted to do his own version of a greatest hits.
Totally agreed om all of this, he changes things up to his advantage. The only one on the list I'd say is maybe a little different is the belt. I view that more as some weird thing going on "in his head" where he wants to express himself along the lines of a signature, and to me it lines up in a strange way with the "cabinetmaker's hammer" he mentions in his interview. (I'd be watching at some point for a victim bludgeoned with a hammer.) But could belt be in a way a small part, too, of this larger formulation to "switch things up"? Sure because to our knowledge, he doesn't always leave something like that.

I thought for a while the dolls were him, then were not him because I figured there's no way he was that blatant/flagrant. Right, he's that blatant/flagrant. So maybe so.

Totally agreed with you that RH likes to play "confuse a cop."
 
Wow! Macedonio went full on Rex defense team in a Court TV episode. I will link it if that source is allowed.

He went on a mini- rampage that the houses in Massapequa Park are "Like 20 feet apart from each other. How is he [Rex] getting bodies in and out of there?"

(Quote may not be exact, it's from memory.)

Macedonio appeared to me to be using his air time to do what Rex's attorney should be doing.

He also said Rex was the third perp fingered by John Ray. As if the other two didn't pan out, why would this one. Macedonia was treating John Ray like the prosecutor, and sowing doubt.

In reality, is something very suspicious about the three people Macedonia said John Ray pointed to. PH clearing inserted himself suspiciously into Shannan's murder; Burke actually did time and did interfere severely in the LISK investigation. The evidence against Rex appears extremely convincing. So it's not like the people who John Ray pointed out were frivolous. It is disgraceful that Macedonia would mock pointing to PH, Burke or Rex Heuermann.

Who is paying Macedonio to defend Rex Heuermann?

MOO
Good thoughts Ruminations! Preface my thoughts with IANAL.

IMO I too have been puzzled by some statements of the lawyers for some family members in this matter. At times it seems they are speaking for an individual that is not even their client. At least that was thought to be the case? Yet at least one of the lawyers IIRC has negotiated a deal with a network crime show for a documented expose. Perhaps that also affects certain decisions or statements IMO?

Wonder if perhaps some of the alleged victims of this defendant might want to consider a civil case against RH and all of his financial holdings and perhaps any others holding property with him? Maybe such activity would elicit testimony to help understand the ‘landscape’ in this case? MOO
 
Didn’t LE decide to arrest RH sooner for fear that he was preparing to hunt?

RH had to be scheduling dates with sex workers when the family was home. These bodies have to be the tip of the iceberg.
I think it's safe to assume that RH had 100's of dates with sex workers. I don't believe all of those workers were murdered by him, though. it would be nothing for him to tell his wife he had to work a little late, book a date, and be home at a reasonable time.
 
I think it's safe to assume that RH had 100's of dates with sex workers. I don't believe all of those workers were murdered by him, though. it would be nothing for him to tell his wife he had to work a little late, book a date, and be home at a reasonable time.

And, add... some wives know and accept what their spouse does away from home, and/or opt to ignore spouse absences for a myriad of reasons.

jmo
 
Yes, because there are two elements that we know the killer employed. He stalked at least two of the Gilgo 4 victims and he seems to have groomed some of them. ALC saw him more than once. Melissa B’s bf thought she saw a regular on LI.

The killer seems to be a lurker. Lingering around outside or on just on the periphery of gatherings and group activities, etc. I suspect he watched his prey and once he settled on someone, he paid close attention to there patterns and the people they worked with and for. We know that he called MBB’s BF, after her disappearance and took pleasure in describing Johnny’s tattoos and distinguishing features. JT and maybe MBB’s little sister said he sounded drunk.
Correction: MB not MBB. Couldn’t edit original post.
 
Wow! Macedonio went full on Rex defense team in a Court TV episode. I will link it if that source is allowed.

He went on a mini- rampage that the houses in Massapequa Park are "Like 20 feet apart from each other. How is he [Rex] getting bodies in and out of there?"

(Quote may not be exact, it's from memory.)

Macedonio appeared to me to be using his air time to do what Rex's attorney should be doing.

He also said Rex was the third perp fingered by John Ray. As if the other two didn't pan out, why would this one. Macedonia was treating John Ray like the prosecutor, and sowing doubt.

In reality, there is something very suspicious about the three people Macedonia said John Ray pointed to. PH clearly inserted himself suspiciously into Shannan's murder; Burke actually did time and did interfere severely in the LISK investigation. The evidence against Rex appears extremely convincing. So it's not like the people who John Ray pointed out were frivolous. It is disgraceful that Macedonia would mock pointing to PH, Burke or Rex Heuermann.

Who is paying Macedonio to defend Rex Heuermann?

MOO
Macedonia, with his close brush with legal sanctions due to being accused or was it investigated for criminal activities, very well could have crossed paths with so many in SCPD, Spota and Burke by default (he was Spota’s boy) and his close affiliation with the SC “partying scene.” He may have a very good motive to protect influential people who may have been loosely or closely associated with RH. We don’t know why he affixed himself to AE but we know of his past. He has acted as if he is AE’s lawyer and later VH’s representative. Why when Mitev is supposed to represent the adult children? Is someone in the old boy network pushing or guiding him in order to muddy the prosecution of RH? For now, we don’t know but his current behavior certainly suggests that that is the case. It just feels like for one reason or another SCPD knew who the killer was and for reasons only they know they were stalling the investigation. All while the killer continued in his sick merry ways.
 
It would be interesting if the press could somehow get interviews with both AE’s first husband and RH’s first wife. That could prove very informative.
Beyond a doubt but maybe LE asked ER and assuming that they spoke with Asa's ex-husband to please not speak with the media it's an ongoing investigation.
We don't know anything about the ex who is CS's dad and hopefully if they didn't have a relationship they do now.
Something tells me that's wishful thinking because his dad has never been mentioned by the media.
I haven't even read that he was found and asked for a comment etc.
I could have missed it.
 

Wow! Macedonio went full on Rex defense team in a Court TV episode. I will link it if that source is allowed.

He went on a mini- rampage that the houses in Massapequa Park are "Like 20 feet apart from each other. How is he [Rex] getting bodies in and out of there?"

(Quote may not be exact, it's from memory.)

Macedonio appeared to me to be using his air time to do what Rex's attorney should be doing.

He also said Rex was the third perp fingered by John Ray. As if the other two didn't pan out, why would this one. Macedonia was treating John Ray like the prosecutor, and sowing doubt.

In reality, there is something very suspicious about the three people Macedonia said John Ray pointed to. PH clearly inserted himself suspiciously into Shannan's murder; Burke actually did time and did interfere severely in the LISK investigation. The evidence against Rex appears extremely convincing. So it's not like the people who John Ray pointed out were frivolous. It is disgraceful that Macedonia would mock pointing to PH, Burke or Rex Heuermann.

Who is paying Macedonio to defend Rex Heuermann?

MOO
IMO:
Macedonio sure contained himself when the last search/seize happened.
I think he's waiting for the other shoe to drop.

<modsnip: Removed indirect accusation against non POI>
 
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Random comments and questions, fwiw, imo, speculation.
Assuming RH is lefthanded from the photo below, or is that only when he is working ''on his tablet'' with a beer can in his right hand?
Did RH ever contact the brothers of his alleged victims, or just the sisters?
Where did he make the calls from - home, his car, commuting, at work, from a bar?
Did he do it when wife and kids were in town, what time of day or night?

Does he only contact sisters, did he specifically choose victims who had happened to have sisters?
Did he prefer (not just petite women), but those with ''bright blue eyes'', like himself (family trait), and Barthelemy?
As someone who lost his father when young, he would know the exquisite pain his taunting phone calls would be for his victim's sisters.
Was RH taunted soon after his father died, was something unkind said to him about his siblings, his father?

March '24 rbbm
''The unnamed commuter, a former CVS employee, posted the image of Heuermann nursing a tall can of beer in a brown paper bag while riding the Long Island Railroad Babylon line.
Wearing glasses and with a brown leather jacket hung nearby, the accused killer appears to be working on a tablet
in the haunting picture dated March 9, 2015.''
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2023 rbbm.
''Sara Karnes was sitting in her Times Square hotel room when she says she received a cell phone call from a blocked number.

She said the voice on the other line, an unknown male caller who was calm and matter of fact, revealed personal details about her friend, Maureen Brainard-Barnes, who vanished days earlier in July 2007 while working as an escort in New York City.
"'I just saw her,'" Karnes recalls the man saying. "'She's at a whorehouse in Queens.'"
''The authorities claim the killer also used the cell phone of one of his victims, Melissa Barthelemy, to make a series of taunting phone calls to her family in Buffalo, N.Y., in the summer of 2009. Those calls allegedly pinged from towers near New York's Penn Station and other areas of Manhattan''.

2023 rbbm
"I'm watching your sister rot," the killer said to Barthelemy's younger sister, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the phone calls.''
"Every time I talk about it, it doesn't get any easier," Karnes said. "She had these bright blue eyes. She was very outgoing, very outspoken."

''Amanda F. told PIX11 News the man cruelly called her family seven times, using her sister’s cellphone shortly after Barthelemy disappeared in 2009.
“He killed Melissa after having sex with her,” Amanda F. recounted. “In the final call, he said he’d killed her.”
That final call was Aug. 26, 2009, according to Tierney, who released the dates of the seven calls during Heuermann’s criminal arraignment Friday.''

“He needed to taunt their families with calls to gloat about having killed their loved ones, in order to inflict pain on them, as well.”
“Is this Melissa’s little sister?” an anonymous male voice asked the victim’s then-16-year-old sister, Amanda, during one phone call.
“Do you know what your sister is doing? She’s a *advertiser censored*.”
 
Macedonia, with his close brush with legal sanctions due to being accused or was it investigated for criminal activities, very well could have crossed paths with so many in SCPD, Spota and Burke by default (he was Spota’s boy) and his close affiliation with the SC “partying scene.” He may have a very good motive to protect influential people who may have been loosely or closely associated with RH. We don’t know why he affixed himself to AE but we know of his past. He has acted as if he is AE’s lawyer and later VH’s representative. Why when Mitev is supposed to represent the adult children? Is someone in the old boy network pushing or guiding him in order to muddy the prosecution of RH? For now, we don’t know but his current behavior certainly suggests that that is the case. It just feels like for one reason or another SCPD knew who the killer was and for reasons only they know they were stalling the investigation. All while the killer continued in his sick merry ways.
Macedonio lost his law license then Spota stepped in.
 
From the CNN article:
The 60-year-old architect was taken by surprise by Thursday’s charges, and he is "in a bad place in terms of the new charges,” his attorney Michael Brown said after his client appeared in an eastern Long Island courtroom.

Poor baby...
Rbbm

His basement was the bad place.

No sympathy for him. HE is where evil dwells.

JMO
 
Wow! Macedonio went full on Rex defense team in a Court TV episode. I will link it if that source is allowed.

He went on a mini- rampage that the houses in Massapequa Park are "Like 20 feet apart from each other. How is he [Rex] getting bodies in and out of there?"

(Quote may not be exact, it's from memory.)

Macedonio appeared to me to be using his air time to do what Rex's attorney should be doing.

He also said Rex was the third perp fingered by John Ray. As if the other two didn't pan out, why would this one. Macedonia was treating John Ray like the prosecutor, and sowing doubt.

In reality, there is something very suspicious about the three people Macedonia said John Ray pointed to. PH clearly inserted himself suspiciously into Shannan's murder; Burke actually did time and did interfere severely in the LISK investigation. The evidence against Rex appears extremely convincing. So it's not like the people who John Ray pointed out were frivolous. It is disgraceful that Macedonia would mock pointing to PH, Burke or Rex Heuermann.

Who is paying Macedonio to defend Rex Heuermann?

MOO

Mighty interesting to think about all these lawyers and their source/s of money (and all their bedfellows).

jmo
 
There is evidence that AE was aware of sex workers being in the house and swingers in the house.

It does not seem that Rex had to sneak "dates."

MOO
When I consider how violent, debased and cruel RH is, I can't help but to suspect he had those tendencies at home. Toward his family. They were groomed and manipulated too. I can imagine he broke his wife. More and more, maybe pushing her into things she might never have done otherwise. If she was a willing partner, that's one thing. Bit if she was demanded, coerced, then it's all on him. He is the supreme violator here.... violating vows, dignity, decency, and the law. Whatever she may have participated in, whether freely or under duress, she didn't murder anyone. He is the monster in the street clothes.

JMO
 
Macedonio lost his law license then Spota stepped in.
Thanks for the info. I knew the Administration saved his butt but wasn’t sure he was fully disbarred, for any amount of time. I could’ve done the research but most of us know what lifestyle he was leading back then.
 
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