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1. I'm not sure, but you might try looking on Cally's at the door-to-door notes. That's the only place I know where you might find such info.

2. Luminol only shows the possibility of blood, which is why it's not admissible as evidence in court. I don't know, but I believe it would still show up.
 
I've been looking for articles about Luminol. This one gives some basic background, including the fact that a positive Luminol reaction is not proof of the presence of blood, but is an indication of potential blood, as I stated earlier. I've found a couple of cases where Luminol testing was done a while after the fact, but none as long as twenty years. So, I'll leave that to someone else!



I know I've seen the door-to-door notes on Cally's somewhere, but, since the search engine is gone, I have trouble finding anything there!
 
Can one of you wonderful people help me with two questions surrounding a convoluted theory (shout-out hello to Goblin Keeper!) that I am working on.
1. Where can I find the list of which houses were vacant or just unoccupied on WE Catt Street around May 5, 1993?
If you check http://www.jivepuppi.com/jivepuppi_door_to_door.html you will find there were 3 houses vacant on WE Catt Street in that time period. There is no listing of which houses these were, however. If memory serves, there was a map of which houses in the general area were vacant, but I don't remember where I saw it. Sorry about that!
2. Can luminol show blood spots even twenty years later?
Luminol can show blood spots as long as the hemoglobin remains intact. Once it has biodegraded, however, the efficacy of luminol becomes limited. Moreover, it also reacts with bleach, urine, feces, and horseradish, so it can be made to give a false positive (http://www.compoundchem.com/2014/10/17/luminol/) if someone knows what they are doing, and has a reason to be deceptive.
Thank you in advance!

Hope this helps you, zen! And by the way, the answer the judge gave as to who he suspected and wanted to know more about was a certain chief of detectives in the WMPD. How's that for a shocker?
 
Wow! I've long suspected that the "certain chief of detectives" might be involved. I base that on that brown coat. I also suspect that pedophilia (or some sexual aberration) may be involved.
 
Now I know how it feels to be knocked over by a feather. Oh my gosh. That is stunning isn't it?
 
Hello all! This is my first post in this thread which is rather odd since I only learned about WS from researching this case. I've been following/researching this case for about 12 years now and have read till my eyes have crossed. Anyhow, I usually don't post because I don't have anything to add, you all have done excellent work and I have really enjoyed your discussions. (GK I'm amazed by your dedication and diction in relaying what you have found). I just wanted to respond to something CR asked earlier...

I have high hopes for the May 5, 2015, rally providing us with some new information. Let's all hope (and pray, if so inclined) that it happens. I agree that justice has been delayed way too long!

On another note, I've been recently looking on Cally's for evidence that the hair in the ligature was a facial hair because someone on another board was questioning that. I found it (with a little help from a friend), but, in the process, I was looking carefully at all of the evidence submission forms from the wmpd. I see where hair and blood from both JMB and TM (MM's dad) were sent for testing. However, as I've stated before (and my recent searching has confirmed), I see no evidence that samples were collected from TH. Have I missed something? If not, how strange is that?!

I was shocked at this too. However, I did find where on October 27, 1993 a sample of most of the family members hair (DM, MB, AH, PH, RC, TH) was submitted to criminalist Sakevicius for trace comparison to FP5 (shaved hair samples from MM) and FP8 (ligatures from CB). There are a few documents for these:

The submission http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/img2/ascl_esf_10_27_93.html and the results
http://callahan.8k.com/wm3/img/ascljan1.html
It's interesting to note that it seems these were not taken until much later in the year when JF was building his case. It's even odder that ,as you said, only blood and hair samples were taken from JMB and TM (5-24-93). So Terry was m.i.a. for awhile...

ETA: TH samples are listed as E-159
 
TH managed to stay a step ahead of the police, at least until DE, JM, Jr. and JB were safely in custody and the case (apparently) "solved." In fact, IIRC, TH and PH went to Blytheville, Arkansas about two weeks after the murders. When the wmpd interrogated JMB and told thim that he was a suspect, they told him that the other fathers would be similarly questioned. However, I have found no evidence that TM was questioned (although I believe his alibi - that he was out of town on a trucking run). TH was not questioned until years later - after his mtDNA was found on one of the ligatures binding MM. Again, IMO this is highly suspicious. Again, I restate my mantra, "Why did TH feel that he was 'protected' by the police?" I'm still convinced that finding this answer will break open this case.
 
Welcome Jena! We're always glad to have fresh eyes looking at everything. Good catch for CR, by the way. I'd been looking but you found it first, so kudos for the help! And thank you for the kind words. I'm just doing what everyone else is doing, no more. We all want justice done in this case. Again, welcome to our happy (most of the time) family!
 
Hope this helps you, zen! And by the way, the answer the judge gave as to who he suspected and wanted to know more about was a certain chief of detectives in the WMPD. How's that for a shocker?

I am also DYING to hear more about this.

No matter which theory one subscribes to (drug deal/pedophilia/etc), this would be an incredibly important piece of information.

I hope he gave reasons for his suspicion..
 
I am also DYING to hear more about this.

No matter which theory one subscribes to (drug deal/pedophilia/etc), this would be an incredibly important piece of information.

I hope he gave reasons for his suspicion..

Especially if this "chief detective" is personally involved in either!
 
Especially if this "chief detective" is personally involved in either!

IMO, there's quite a lot more cause to look at the drug angle than anything else so far. Maybe stolen property rackets (re the stolen watches incident) as well. I'm yet to see anything at all pointing to cops/pedophile rings links. Doesn't mean they don't exist, though. Just that the drugs/stolen goods things is actually visible.
 
IMO, there's quite a lot more cause to look at the drug angle than anything else so far. Maybe stolen property rackets (re the stolen watches incident) as well. I'm yet to see anything at all pointing to cops/pedophile rings links. Doesn't mean they don't exist, though. Just that the drugs/stolen goods things is actually visible.

Maybe so, but I would think that the whole pedophile thing was kept under wraps, if it happened.
 
Okay, as promised, here is what I learned from a local judge with whom I shared the case material, with names changed to protect the "innocent" (sarcasm inserted here)...

The chief of detectives/chief of police should have been investigated. His behavior is highly suspect given the nature of the crime which had occurred, and the fact that his department had never handled anything of this magnitude before. Further, he has several officers under his command that are involved in a drug task force that is under investigation for improprieties, yet he refuses State Police help, help which is experienced. At almost the same time, the investigation into the drug task force is called off? Especially telling is the refusal by a district attorney to prosecute the officers involved, one of whom became highly involved in the murder investigation. And the investigation itself was mistake compounded by mistake compounded by mistake. Notes were left undated; case number switched; record keeping was haphazard and poorly done; evidence was ignored and/or lost; scientific work was not performed accurately; officers under suspicion were allowed to work this case, which may have had ties to another investigation.

In my opinion, there was pressure brought to bear from somewhere higher up the chain of command. For instance, why did the State Police not insist upon helping in the investigation when they clearly had the resources, the experience, and the manpower to provide a complete and thorough investigation? Who was afraid of their involvement? Why was a "small-town" chief of police/detectives allowed to shut them down? Answer, he couldn't, but someone else could at his or another's request. How is it that an investigation which uncovers measurably proven incompetence and embezzlement is considered not prosecutable? Why did the DA drop the case? On whose authority, if not his own? And if it was on his own authority, how did he judge the evidence incapable of rendering a guilty verdict?

There are a great many other considerations as well. One of the step-fathers was well known to the local police, even to the point of hosting parties; yet he was a drug informant across the river. Could his information have started or been instrumental in the drug task force investigation, or is it coincidental? Why was a known pedophile left to his own devices without appreciable attention, especially after such a statement was given to the police? And why was one of the officers to whom he gave this statement involved in the homicide investigation, as well as being under investigation himself only months prior?

Also confusing is why would the chief of police/detectives seek the assistance of a juvenile parole officer in uncovering suspects? Why did this officer and his assistant just happen to come up with a similar list of names? Why was the assistant at the scene of the crime so conveniently? This is an aspect which troubles me; it seems as though there was a concerted effort to attribute this crime to previously picked suspects rather than an honest effort to investigate. Further, only one of the step-fathers was investigated, but the other conveniently "slipped through the cracks" for almost 14 years? This aspect bears further investigation; I would like to know who he knew, what he knew about them, and how he was able to evade suspicion for so long, without being investigated at all. And the discovery of evidence which leads to his doorstep, as it were, is troubling in and of itself.

Adding in the proximity of two major highways along which an unknown amount of drugs, stolen goods, money and who knows what else traveled, and there is the possibility that this crime was not one of convenience, but necessity. To the west is a virtual den of drugs, to the east is illegal monies; how much of this would have found traffic through this town. (I know, you changed names, but I know where this is. Thorough job, though. [That was a pop between my eyes. I thought I'd hidden everything, but forgot that I had left mention of the drug task force under investigation, and a triple homicide which almost effectively ended that investigation. If I'd known he knew about the whole deal, I'd have hidden more of the information.]) Human trafficking is not an issue, but the possibility of drugs, money, and perhaps other illegal activity, is a very big issue. Who better to have kept an eye on the movement of trucks through this area, but the head of a small police force, one who could easily be controlled? State Police forces are harder to control, but not a smaller, independent force.

Therefore, my personal feeling is that this man should have been investigated at the time, and possibly still, to uncover whatever role he actually played in this crime. Was he truly just an "out-of-his-league flatfoot", or was he deeply involved, so deeply that he had to protect those above him and below him in order to protect himself? It would also be worth a look to see just how far up the chain he could take an investigation in order to avoid prosecution. To prosecute others below him that he may have been protecting would not be worthwhile, as they would only likely to able to implicate him but no one higher. And this is where you want to take the investigation, to the individuals controlling the whole situation.

There, my friends, is how it was laid out to me. I was shocked, to say the least, as before I'd considered him to be incompetent, but not responsible for a major part in the crime. I also asked about drug activity a few years prior that saw the death of two young men who possibly were witnesses, as well as a prison scandal involving tainted products. He said he would still insist that this person be investigated, and see how far his connections to all of the illegal activity could be taken. What say you? Is this viable? Should my friend take a chill pill and undergo therapy to stop seeing conspiracies? Is it time for me to take my medications and go back to bed?

As is my usual wont, I will now return you to your regularly scheduled programming...
 
Just when you think you might be figuring it all out, along comes someone with expertise in the field that kinda blows you away. Piggybacking on this info, I guess I'd say that the reason TH was protected by the wmpd is because he knew/knows something incriminatory about GG (and maybe others). Personally, I don't think GG was involved in the murders. IMO, it's more likely that he was simply involved in protecting TH. Again IMO, it's highly suspicious just how quickly after the verdicts that he retired. Also, look at his demeanor in West of Memphis. IMO, he's hedging, as is the prosecutor, JF. IMO, both GG and JF should investigated, along with the chief prosecutor, BD, and the trial judge, DB. Remember, a suspicious piece of evidence was found in DB's home when it should have been in the evidence room at the wmpd.
 
As for convoluted theories, I am finding the dream of Tom Woods in Callahan's very interesting.
 
Remember, a suspicious piece of evidence was found in DB's home when it should have been in the evidence room at the wmpd.

Can you elaborate on this please?

yes, his actions are very suspicious. Putting his career on hold, refusing to hear the trials, then saying all his actions where affirmed by the AK supreme court who ended up overturning his one refusal if i remember right.
Very odd that DB, JF and GG won't admit any mistakes yet they are so sure of the WM3's guilt in light of glaring mistakes.
 

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