GUILTY - Sidney Moorer RETRIAL for Kidnapping Heather Elvis, 9 Sept 2019 #4

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I wanted to believe for the longest time that he wasn't as involved as TM, I thought maybe TM and AC caught him with Heather at her condo for a while. But after all we've heard over the last few trials I think SM is deeply involved and will never tell the truth - the C's either have incriminating evidence against him or he simply never cared about Heather and she was used. I don't think we'll ever know.
While I agree that we will most likely never know for a certainty, I think another small thing that may be a revealing point is the way SM responded to the kitchen manager when asked about why he had allowed the deck incident to occur: I think his response was something like "because it was there".

Maybe it's my age--but I find that very disrespectful towards all women; and, of course, especially to Heather. And TM wasn't there to force those words out of his mouth.

In my books, SM and TM make a good pair and only got about half of what they each deserve.
 
While I agree that we will most likely never know for a certainty, I think another small thing that may be a revealing point is the way SM responded to the kitchen manager when asked about why he had allowed the deck incident to occur: I think his response was something like "because it was there".

Maybe it's my age--but I find that very disrespectful towards all women; and, of course, especially to Heather. And TM wasn't there to force those words out of his mouth.

In my books, SM and TM make a good pair and only got about half of what they each deserve.

SM is a predatory monster. He brought her lattes, danish, sweet attention in order to disarm her further. I am sure that she is not the only person he was talking to, flirting with..... Do we know who the person is that caused him to get the Tammy tattoo? It would be interesting to hear that person's age and experience with him.

Tammy is also predatory. She was talking with men (old classmate and young 19 year old) for sex. If you read through her FB account when she is talking about high school and being a virgin and helping to slow her kids and their peers down.....but not too long after she is having phone sex with a teen.
 
I just got caught up on posts. And watched the family statements and the sentencing. Had no idea all that had happened today.

Like some of you, I've gone back and forth in my mind about SM's involvement and the extent to which he truly knows all that happened. Never have seen him as innocent, but have wondered how much of this is his punishment too. I just never quite saw him as waking up one day and thinking, "Let's murder her".

But now that it got this far, and he set himself up to get 30 years, what did he gain? Even if he doesn't know how she was killed (doubt that), or where she is, he knows that she's gone as a result of the events of that morning. Period. And, it's not like TM hasn't been holding that over his head, making it his fault for her decisions and actions. So, why did he not finally come forth with a plea to the state about what he wasn't involved in, what he does know and doesn't, and a request a deal if he gave up TM and other parties? This makes no sense.

I think it's true that she is the supreme ringleader, and given how Narcissists love control, secrets, scapegoating, and creating distance between themselves and their flying monkeys and the victim, it makes perfect sense to me that SM has in some way been a useful tool. But he should fry for letting that anguished family stand there, and beg the court for some shred of hope that Heather can come home and receive the laying to rest she deserves - while he sat and cried like a toddler that he has nothing to give them. That alone should send the Karma Bus, with no mercy.

I'm a mother who longs under very different circumstances for the story of what really happened in my child's last hours, and has to still see the smirking of the person who does know, and will never tell. In my book, Debi Elvis wrote the anthem and lament for suffering mothers whose question is excruciatingly simple, yet goes unanswered. I will not ever forget her presence in that courtroom or her statement. I can't even begin to express how deeply saddened I am for Terry and his forever heartache. I wish Morgan the wonderful life her sister did not get to live because of these two soulless individuals. But I understand that her life on its most wonderful day, will never be complete.

To the Elvis family, I know you have your personal faith, but this helps me sometimes, and I know it's true in Heather's case, no matter how big the secret of these two and their commitment to keeping it:

"I saw that." - Karma
 
This is a press account of Sidney's statement:

"If I could finally give them closure, I would. There’s nothing I can tell them to give them any closure. I have children of my own. I get it. There’s nothing I can give them for closure.”

I am trying to read the tea leaves about what this is really saying.
 
I also wonder if NL truly believes the timeline she gives, or if that is just what can logically make sense (Heather disappearing from PTL). After hearing about Longbeards, I don't think many of us think things went on at PTL.

Was there any info about whether Heather's car was seen driving to PTL- that would give good information too. I just don't recall hearing that.
Longbeard's filled in the blanks for those of us who thought from the beginning that Heather never drove to PTL. I always thought that with the car there, LE jumped on the location when they could best place HE and the M's at the same time, and that was also where the trail stopped. But I believe their case-making for a PTL murder scenario was really thin. It was pretty clear that it was a grab and go of who drove the car there. She seems to have come into harm earlier on the timeline, and I think all the phone activity was primarily the M's or whoever had control of her phone, not too long after the pay phone exchange. And no, there is nothing on Heather's car being seen heading to PTL.
 
SM is a predatory monster. He brought her lattes, danish, sweet attention in order to disarm her further. I am sure that she is not the only person he was talking to, flirting with..... Do we know who the person is that caused him to get the Tammy tattoo? It would be interesting to hear that person's age and experience with him.

Tammy is also predatory. She was talking with men (old classmate and young 19 year old) for sex. If you read through her FB account when she is talking about high school and being a virgin and helping to slow her kids and their peers down.....but not too long after she is having phone sex with a teen.

That tattoo wasn't from a year or so before Heather and Sid got together. It was in Tammy's trial. The facebook post was back dated by TM as proof. Many sent NL proof on how to change the date of a fb post after Judge Dennis wouldn't allow it. I did, saw it myself, sent it to Nancy and got a thank you very much after Tammy was convicted. Just want to point that out. Saw it when it was posted and in court they lied about when he got it. Even CM's friend testified to the time period of when he saw it in TM's trial.
 
That tattoo wasn't from a year or so before Heather and Sid got together. It was in Tammy's trial. The facebook post was back dated by TM as proof. Many sent NL proof on how to change the date of a fb post after Judge Dennis wouldn't allow it. I did, saw it myself, sent it to Nancy and got a thank you very much after Tammy was convicted. Just want to point that out. Saw it when it was posted and in court they lied about when he got it. Even CM's friend testified to the time period of when he saw it in TM's trial.
Ashley lied again about that on the stand in this trial too. I swear you can't believe a word any of them speak, including Polly! The family that lies together, stays together ... let's hope that proves to be true :)
 
That tattoo wasn't from a year or so before Heather and Sid got together. It was in Tammy's trial. The facebook post was back dated by TM as proof. Many sent NL proof on how to change the date of a fb post after Judge Dennis wouldn't allow it. I did, saw it myself, sent it to Nancy and got a thank you very much after Tammy was convicted. Just want to point that out. Saw it when it was posted and in court they lied about when he got it. Even CM's friend testified to the time period of when he saw it in TM's trial.
I hear you. I have seen that testimony as well (and believe that it was done at a later time). The tattoo artist was never called to court to verify either. However, the assertion is that he had cheated with someone else and I am curious to know if that person was ever found. I wonder who else has been victimized by these two. Thanks for contacting Nancy and helping her out. I saw the next morning motions as they were trying to get the judge to understand but he was not going to change his mind (probably a good thing b/c it is one less thing she could appeal).
 
I hear you. I have seen that testimony as well (and believe that it was done at a later time). The tattoo artist was never called to court to verify either. However, the assertion is that he had cheated with someone else and I am curious to know if that person was ever found. I wonder who else has been victimized by these two. Thanks for contacting Nancy and helping her out. I saw the next morning motions as they were trying to get the judge to understand but he was not going to change his mind (probably a good thing b/c it is one less thing she could appeal).

I'll have to go back but NL did bring it in at the end of TM's trial. It helped I thought.
 
I'm a mother who longs under very different circumstances for the story of what really happened in my child's last hours, and has to still see the smirking of the person who does know, and will never tell. In my book, Debi Elvis wrote the anthem and lament for suffering mothers whose question is excruciatingly simple, yet goes unanswered. I will not ever forget her presence in that courtroom or her statement. I can't even begin to express how deeply saddened I am for Terry and his forever heartache. I wish Morgan the wonderful life her sister did not get to live because of these two soulless individuals. But I understand that her life on its most wonderful day, will never be complete.

To the Elvis family, I know you have your personal faith, but this helps me sometimes, and I know it's true in Heather's case, no matter how big the secret of these two and their commitment to keeping it:

"I saw that." - Karma

RSBM. Jillycat, I so sorry for your loss. I can only imagine the difficulty that you face in dealing with the not knowing. I wish you peace and hope for answers to ease your burden.
 
All rise!

All rise!!

I have been advised that we have reached a decision...Judge

Here we go



HOLY CRAP!
I got back from lunch just in time.
VERDICT!

Verdict is in!


GUILTY ON BOTH CHARGES!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kidnapping: GUILTY!
Conspiracy to Kidnap: GUILTY!

YESSSSSSS. Kidnapping, conspiracy to kidnap, GUILTY.

GUILTY!!!!!!!!! NOW WTF IS HEATHER!

Kidnapping - GUILTY!!

GUILTY! GUILTY!

Holy cannoli!

ETA: Guilty!

Guilty
Guilty

Now where is Heather!

Prayers for Heathers family and friends.

Conspiracy to kidnapping - GUILTY - YES!!!!

Yes. Crying yall.

You guys!!!!!!!

Now WHERE IS HEATHER???



Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

Tears once again for Heather and her family!

Hugs to you all!!

I am hugging all of you so hard right now, you don't even know.

<3

Oh my goodness that was super quick!!! Just woke up was expecting more of the trail... any pics of Sidney's face???

I have tears in my eyes. Just say where Heather is.

Wow, I'm so overwhelmed right now. Sentencing to happen too.

So very happy with this outcome, and so fast. GUILTY AS SIN.

Ashley, you're next.

Wow, that was fast. It is the right decision. At this point, I could care less about this piece of crap. Now, Sidney, offer to tell this family and the world what we all want to know. Where is Heather?

I really do wish we could all share this moment in a pub together!

Thank you Lord and the State of SC for giving Heather a voice and showing her life mattered. Now give him the max, Judge!

Finally some justice. It will not be complete until that young woman is returned to her family.

For the love of all things holy, please tell us where Heather is!

Only shots from the side/back. And to my calculations, that was about 1 hour and 45 minutes. Great job, State!

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Thank you so much to the prosecution for never giving up.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Thank God!

Bravo Nancy!

Thank you Jury!

We need to toast NL.

Big hugs to the Elvis family. I see that teal shirt under your jacket, Terry!

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They need to bring everyone back in that could have had any knowledge and throw the book at them. Maybe the accomplices will see their fate and sing.
This family needs to know and deserves to know where Heather is. While there will never be closure for them I hope that they may at least now feel some sort of peace.

Thank you all that have so faithfully followed this case! Justice for Heather at last!

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I am loathing WS this afternoon. I'm checking out of here before I throw my laptop. Of all days to have an issue it has to one of the days Heather's army has waited on for years.

I was having the same problems with WS as the rest of y'all. I decided watching the trial was more important than staring at the screen, waiting for the stupid site to reload for the millionth time. It's still acting up today, just not quite as bad, so I'm trying to catch up before I give up today.

If SM ever truly cared anything at all for HE he would tell where HE was so her family could have closure, IMO.

I agree with those saying it's time to bring charges against anyone else involved in this case.
 
I have always felt like he (Mr.C) was not involved in any way. I think his heart attack was a preexisting condition and sadly due to the continued stress of the situation. IMO I felt like he saw or heard something that triggered it.

I don’t think the parents are culpable other than PC covering for them after the fact and possibly having some knowledge of something after the fact.

What parent wants to believe their child and SIL could be involved in something like that? Her Defense mechanism was to claim they were home, I was with them...PC left for work sometime between 3:30-5 and the father left early as well. The kids were most likely asleep and I do believe that this is when they with assistance from AC and the BF completed what they had set out to do.

I’m Sure that PC has had her fair share of doubts over the years and could probably bring bits and pieces of info to the table that would be helpful. However I do not feel as though she was directly involved the way that I think AC and the BF were.
 
@margarita25 thank you so much for bringing those forward. I couldn’t even get logged in during this most celebratory time. Please know that I was there and sharing in the moment ( Even tho I had to google to get the verdict because the site wouldn’t load)Comforted this morning he is where he belongs for a long time and one less predictor off the street. You know the saying when one door closes another door opens? Well I will continue to pray that this will open the door for someone to come forward and bring Heather home to her family.
 
This is a press account of Sidney's statement:

"If I could finally give them closure, I would. There’s nothing I can tell them to give them any closure. I have children of my own. I get it. There’s nothing I can give them for closure.”

I am trying to read the tea leaves about what this is really saying.
He’s FOS that’s all that is.
 
Nothing has changed yet on Sids Doc record. Yet I see that when his attorney stated he has been taking classes. He was terminated for poor attendance.

INMATE SEARCH DETAIL REPORT

MOORER, SIDNEY STCLAIR (00373721)

EARNED EDUCATION CREDITS

EEC DESCRIPTION

BONUS 15 OR MORE

START DATE

11/22/2017

END DATE

TERMINATION REASON

POOR ATTENDANCE


05/07/2018


https://public.doc.state.sc.us/scdc-public/inmateDetails.do?id= 00373721
 
Nothing has changed yet on Sids Doc record. Yet I see that when his attorney stated he has been taking classes. He was terminated for poor attendance.

INMATE SEARCH DETAIL REPORT

MOORER, SIDNEY STCLAIR (00373721)

EARNED EDUCATION CREDITS

EEC DESCRIPTION

BONUS 15 OR MORE

START DATE

11/22/2017

END DATE

TERMINATION REASON

POOR ATTENDANCE


05/07/2018


https://public.doc.state.sc.us/scdc-public/inmateDetails.do?id= 00373721

LOL Poor attendance! What else does he have to do?
 
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