Hamilton PD: "One Set of Human Remains"

[ArianeEmory]

I wonder if this simply means the additional remains were not human.

During the Jessica Ridgeway case I was much more alert to actual "LE" statements versus "unnamed police sources" versus "Ex-FBI Agent so and so" (meaning a person who is no longer part of law enforcement or involved in the case, but who gives 'expert' opinion and sound bites to the media). This case has just been so wild it becomes easy to believe anything, and I haven't been as stringent about backtracking to the quoted source. I think I will refine my reading habits a bit.

 

[disco2]

HAMILTON, Ont.— Police in southern Ontario are denying a published report that says other remains have been found in connection with the slaying of a Hamilton, Ont., man.

CBC has reported that in addition to Tim Bosma's remains, unknown remains were found on a farm belonging to the accused, Dellen Millard.

It cited sources as saying police were working to determine if they are human or animal.

But Staff Sgt. Matt Kavanagh says no other remains have been found anywhere and the report needs to be "cleared up."

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/05/21/dellen-millard-farm-other-remains_n_3314676.html

just a thought - moo - but maybe the remains found are simply that - not in connection to Timothy Bosma but could be connected to another case?

 

[flipflop]

I wonder if this simply means the additional remains were not human.

During the Jessica Ridgeway case I was much more alert to actual "LE" statements versus "unnamed police sources" versus "Ex-FBI Agent so and so" (meaning a person who is no longer part of law enforcement or involved in the case, but who gives 'expert' opinion and sound bites to the media). This case has just been so wild it becomes easy to believe anything, and I haven't been as stringent about backtracking to the quoted source. I think I will refine my reading habits a bit.

This has happened in several cases. Victoria Stafford case had ALOT of fact and fiction reported. The bigger the case, the more info that comes pouring in. When you see a quote stated by "a source", we have to remember that source could be you or I, it could be fact or fiction.

 

[bessie]

Well there is a difference in meaning between unidentifiable and unidentified. The impression I have gotten from MSM is we are talking about unidentified at this point. It takes a whole lot of failed DNA testing to get to the conclusion that what they have is unidentifiable and that will take a considerable amount of time.

I would not be surprised if they find nothing. The uglier a picture they paint of DM in the media the more likely they will get otherwise closed mouthed friends to talk.

There is most definitely a difference -- albeit a subtle one -- which apparently, you've overlooked.

I do realize newer members are likely unaware that this board maintains an active sub-forum in which members work fervently to give names to the deceased who have none. Consequently, the term "unidentified" carries a very marked connotation, and implies a state other than the one represented in this thread.

On the other hand, rudeness is easily identifiable, and I've rarely seen the likes of it as I've seen here lately.

 

[matou]

Only 1 set of human remains could actually mean that the remains found were Tim's and remains were found in more than one location. JMO

Only 1 set of human remains found at Millard farm, police say

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitch...rloo-millard-police-still-searching-farm.html

 

[matou]

On Tuesday, Hamilton police Sgt. Matt Kavanagh said, "We're dealing with one set of human remains."

This tells me that more remains were found but they are believed to belong to the same individual. I noticed as well that the original CBC article stated:

Police searching the farm of Dellen Millard, the 27-year-old charged with first-degree murder after the remains of Ancaster, Ont., man Tim Bosma were discovered, have found other remains on the property.

Could be a misinterpretation by the media or by the readership, that more remains meant remains from another victim. JMO

original article: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitch...05/19/toronto-millard-remains-discovered.html

new article: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitch...rloo-millard-police-still-searching-farm.html

 

[Deal]

Why would LE take days to correct the wrong info?? Looks like some back tracking could be going on JMO

Because the rumour has the potential to advance their case. The more outrageous the crimes the less likely anyone will side with the accused. If LE can make it look like the guy is going down for all kinds of crimes then convincing someone to spill about one isn't as difficult.

LE uses the media to advance their case not to fulfill the public's thirst for knowledge.

 

[bknight]

I know LE is possibly back tracking but I was curious to see what could be done with the incinerator on a tank of propane.

1 litre of LPG ~= 24603 btu <http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_btu_in_a_liter_of_propane>
incinerator specs list the unit as 250,000 btu/hr <http://www.supernovamfg.com/250.html>
100 lbs takes 1 hour to incinerate <http://www.supernovamfg.com/250.html>
Average weight in NA 177.9 lbs <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_weight>
Eye balling the dimensions of the tank (roughly 20"x48"), it could hold ~250 litres, only 80% is usable so it would have a capacity of 200 litres.

Crunching the numbers gives about 19hrs of run time or 10.6 cycles with an average adult.

I think the biggest take away from this is unless someone has been busy, the incinerator hasn't been off the property for refuelling.

 

[kimar]

I haven't seen the term "unidentifiable" used other than on this thread heading, so I expect it was just a slip of the fingers.

BTW, is there any precedent for a psychopathic murder to work with a team?

Charles Manson

 

[meadsipper]

Even stranger with the reference of the movie Fargo as one of their favourite movies...
does that look like a wood chipper in the Waterloo hangar in the background of this photo? This was no later than July 31, 2012

http://www.camaros.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=29437&d=1343747457

It looks very similar to this model here:

http://twentywheels.com/imgs/a/a/d/i/g/2006_vermeer_bc1000xl_woodchipper_cummins_diesel_wood_chipper_12__disc_auto_feed_7_lgw.jpg

If a unit such as this was used in the process of shredding body parts, it would have human DNA throughout it.

 

[matou]

He adamantly denies media reports that suggested remains other than Bosma's were found on the farm.

"We found the remains of one person &#8212; Tim Bosma," he says.

Which makes me think more remains were found but that they are Tim Bosma's remains.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/2882383-clairmont-no-id-yet-of-two-other-suspects-in-bosma-murder/

 

[JayFriend]

It looks very similar to this model here:

http://twentywheels.com/imgs/a/a/d/i/g/2006_vermeer_bc1000xl_woodchipper_cummins_diesel_wood_chipper_12__disc_auto_feed_7_lgw.jpg

If a unit such as this was used in the process of shredding body parts, it would have human DNA throughout it.

That's what I would have thought. Besides, a wood chipper is something quite likely to be found on a farm property being cleared. An incinerator, not so much.

 

[Wendy101]

Has this been posted yet?

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/05/21/unknown-remains-found-on-suspect-dellen-millards-farm-where-tim-bosmas-body-discovered-report/

"But forensic investigators have not determined yet if the remains found on Dellen Millard’s farm in North Dumfries, Ont. are human or animal, the CBC reports.

In an email to the National Post, Hamilton police said they could not confirm the report.

“Please be advised that information [second remains] did not come from [lead investigator] Det-Sgt Matt Kavanagh. The investigation continues and at this point there is no confirmation that other remains have been located,” Const. Debbie McGreal-Dinning said."

BBM: Nice play of words... Of course there is no confirmation, the remains are probably being tested still with forensics.

 

[axe2grind]

How do you find out if DM had two condos in the Distillery building? Maybe it's just MSM getting the facts twisted, but I just read a story saying the condo he bought on May 7th was also in the same building where he owned another condo...

This from a CBC report

Millard has several properties registered in his name, including a home in the Toronto suburb of Etobicoke, another condo in the same building in the Distillery District and a large plot of farmland in Cambridge, where police are currently conducting an extensive forensic investigation. Police located a mobile incinerator on the property last week.

 

[axe2grind]

That's what I would have thought. Besides, a wood chipper is something quite likely to be found on a farm property being cleared. An incinerator, not so much.

But it sure looks odd in an airport hangar. Those things run around $15-$25k. Most people would just rent one, it's not like a lawn mower you're going to use every week...

 

[SnooperDuper]

But it sure looks odd in an airport hangar. Those things run around $15-$25k. Most people would just rent one, it's not like a lawn mower you're going to use every week...

Naw my parents have 10 acres and they use their wood chipper all the time: trees are always shedding branches, they pick up after them each week, and the chips make great mulch

 

[JayFriend]

But it sure looks odd in an airport hangar. Those things run around $15-$25k. Most people would just rent one, it's not like a lawn mower you're going to use every week...

If I had a wood chipper like that, and a large hanger to store all my toys and trucks and trailers to transport said toys, I certainly wouldn't leave it out in the open on some uninhabited farm to rust or get stolen.

 

[All that]

I know LE is possibly back tracking but I was curious to see what could be done with the incinerator on a tank of propane.

1 litre of LPG ~= 24603 btu <http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_btu_in_a_liter_of_propane>
incinerator specs list the unit as 250,000 btu/hr <http://www.supernovamfg.com/250.html>
100 lbs takes 1 hour to incinerate <http://www.supernovamfg.com/250.html>
Average weight in NA 177.9 lbs <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_weight>
Eye balling the dimensions of the tank (roughly 20"x48"), it could hold ~250 litres, only 80% is usable so it would have a capacity of 200 litres.

Crunching the numbers gives about 19hrs of run time or 10.6 cycles with an average adult.

I think the biggest take away from this is unless someone has been busy, the incinerator hasn't been off the property for refuelling.

I have been following the Bosma threads since day 1 but this is the first time I have tried posting anything.
In the early days there was a fair bit of talk about the Eliminator incinerator but these days it gets mention only once in a while.
I was curious about the incinerator right from the beginning mainly because I had never heard of one and then in part because of the discussions about its use on the Millard farm. In all that I was reading some things just did not add up and so I took the initiative to look into for myself.
I started with the Toronto Star article on May 17....There was a picture of the incinerator that I assumed was sitting on Millard’s farm and below it a description of the Eliminator SN250—namely, burns @650-900 C (or 1200-1600 F) ....burns 100 lbs./hour....loading door measures 12”x20”. Then I realized that over time I had taken for granted that the description in the article automatically matched the image that appeared with the article. So I went directly to the manufacturer’s website and checked every single model out for myself....the images and the specs on 6 different incinerators.
Surprise, surprise....the description in the article in no way matches the picture that is shown with it ! In fact what is described is the smallest model made by this company -- the SN250. The manufacturer’s pictures of the bigger SN500/SN1000 do not match the picture of the one in the field and the specs on the loading door sizes all seemed too small.
The images for the Eliminator SN1500/SN2000/SN3000 however, all seemed a better match and that became a pretty gruesome prospect when I began to read the specs on these three. For instance, the SN2000 burns at 1200-1600 uses a 800.000 BTU burner...can dispose of 225 lbs in one hour.....and has a loading door of 8’6’x4’0”......comes with a roll-back door and has an optional propane burner and isd equipped with a loading platform.
This incinerator is specifically for eliminating animal carcasses not for burning brush. With an optional propane burner I wonder if there is any need for electricity or a generator. The loading door is essentially the length of the incinerator. Gees, I just compared photos online again and I noticed one more little detail that makes me think the one shown as being at the Millard farm is the SN3000 and that is the largest one they manufacture. It looks like the one owned by Millard has been mounted on a trailer and equipped with a propane tank.—a custom order ??
If it was used to burn brush or clean up carcasses, then there should be burn marks all over the farm and over by the barn and that does not seem to be the case. Honestly I don’t think there was any clean up going on here and no plan ever to develop this property...dm was happy to have his own large, private playground and he may have even deluded himself that he had complete privacy out on his country property. It may seem like that when you have acreage but it is not so. Country people generally do mind their own business, in a’ live and let live frame of mind’ but that does not mean that we are blissfully unaware of what is going on around us....that just plain stupid.
Hope this is helpful to those still pondering on this part of the puzzle. :drumroll:

 

[SnooperDuper]

I have been following the Bosma threads since day 1 but this is the first time I have tried posting anything.
In the early days there was a fair bit of talk about the Eliminator incinerator but these days it gets mention only once in a while.
I was curious about the incinerator right from the beginning mainly because I had never heard of one and then in part because of the discussions about its use on the Millard farm. In all that I was reading some things just did not add up and so I took the initiative to look into for myself.
I started with the Toronto Star article on May 17....There was a picture of the incinerator that I assumed was sitting on Millard’s farm and below it a description of the Eliminator SN250—namely, burns @650-900 C (or 1200-1600 F) ....burns 100 lbs./hour....loading door measures 12”x20”. Then I realized that over time I had taken for granted that the description in the article automatically matched the image that appeared with the article. So I went directly to the manufacturer’s website and checked every single model out for myself....the images and the specs on 6 different incinerators.
Surprise, surprise....the description in the article in no way matches the picture that is shown with it ! In fact what is described is the smallest model made by this company -- the SN250. The manufacturer’s pictures of the bigger SN500/SN1000 do not match the picture of the one in the field and the specs on the loading door sizes all seemed too small.
The images for the Eliminator SN1500/SN2000/SN3000 however, all seemed a better match and that became a pretty gruesome prospect when I began to read the specs on these three. For instance, the SN2000 burns at 1200-1600 uses a 800.000 BTU burner...can dispose of 225 lbs in one hour.....and has a loading door of 8’6’x4’0”......comes with a roll-back door and has an optional propane burner and isd equipped with a loading platform.
This incinerator is specifically for eliminating animal carcasses not for burning brush. With an optional propane burner I wonder if there is any need for electricity or a generator. The loading door is essentially the length of the incinerator. Gees, I just compared photos online again and I noticed one more little detail that makes me think the one shown as being at the Millard farm is the SN3000 and that is the largest one they manufacture. It looks like the one owned by Millard has been mounted on a trailer and equipped with a propane tank.—a custom order ??
If it was used to burn brush or clean up carcasses, then there should be burn marks all over the farm and over by the barn and that does not seem to be the case. Honestly I don’t think there was any clean up going on here and no plan ever to develop this property...dm was happy to have his own large, private playground and he may have even deluded himself that he had complete privacy out on his country property. It may seem like that when you have acreage but it is not so. Country people generally do mind their own business, in a’ live and let live frame of mind’ but that does not mean that we are blissfully unaware of what is going on around us....that just plain stupid.
Hope this is helpful to those still pondering on this part of the puzzle. :drumroll:

Toronto Sun, who called the manufacturer and confirmed DM bought the incinerator, said it was a SN250 (smallest model)

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/05/16/police-investigate-incinerators-role-in-tim-bosma-slaying

 

[All that]

I was reading what "they" said and then I looked at the website and the picture in the newspaper and the two just do not add up. They could have made a mistake with the picture suppose but I clearly remember seeing the same incinerator in an aerial shot as well.

Honestly, I would be very interested in your personal feeed back.....look at the manufacturers website and all of the models and again at the May 17 image in the Star and tell me what you see.