Hannah Graham: Remains Identified

[SteveP]

Yes, the HOUSE was taken off of the market a few months ago but I have seen numerous references to the fact that "the cottage had recently been rented". Just curious about that, if it is indeed true. I'll try to find a source for it.

Possible that someone had signed a lease to rent, but had not yet moved in, maybe?

 

[observation]

This is JMHO- To me JM seems like the kind of guy that wants to dominate a situation/ person an I remain very doubtful that he used a taser- his fists and body, yes, more intimate. Again, just my opinion as we wait for more information to kick around.
Now I know we share in our belief that JM may not be the brightest of bright- I highly doubt he would rent out a cottage "publicly/ legally" to shelter his work. Break in, perhaps.

 

[ILOKAL]

A stun gun drops a person to the ground because it completely incapacitates them. As soon as the voltage is off, they're basically able to move as usual, only maybe a bit sluggish. They don't need assistance to walk, though. It's far more probable that she was drugged.

(Source: I'm a nurse in a jail and have to examine patients after being tasered.)

Here's a great source on tasers/stun guns:
http://www.womenonguard.com/-strse-template/stun-dsh-gun-dsh-info/Page.bok

 

[jbowman55]

That makes it even more curious. If two different people saw that many (?) buzzards nearly a week apart (five days), certainly they were not there for Hannah. Five days? They would have only needed one or two.

What was their food source, then, for that length of time?

I haven't a clue.

Could she have been submerged for a few days? When did that heavy rain happen? Maybe she was covered in water for a few days, and then when the water receded, the birds came back.

I do know that I had already realized that there were two different people who saw buzzards, because I realized that one said he got out of his vehicle and walked around, and the other said he didn't. Plus the dates were different, and the Oct 6 guy didn't make the distinction between turkey buzzards and black buzzards like the Sept 30 guy did. Obviously two different reports.

 

[Charlie Chan]

Yes, the HOUSE was taken off of the market a few months ago but I have seen numerous references to the fact that "the cottage had recently been rented". Just curious about that, if it is indeed true. I'll try to find a source for it.

Here is one of the quotes about the cottage. "THE PROPERTY CONTAINS ONE HOUSE AND A COTTAGE ABOUT 100 FEET AWAY. THE COTTAGE IS CURRENTLY BEING RENTED FOR 800 DOLLARS A MONTH. THE HOME IS IN GOOD SHAPE BUT IS UNOCCUPIED."

 

[ILOKAL]

Yes, the HOUSE was taken off of the market a few months ago but I have seen numerous references to the fact that "the cottage had recently been rented". Just curious about that, if it is indeed true. I'll try to find a source for it.

I too saw those references to "had recently been rented", however, I took that to mean "had been rented" and not "is being rented", plus, by the time Longo had the press conference and stated the property was "abandoned", surely he had accurate first-hand knowledge that both houses were, in fact, vacant. That's just my take on it.

 

[Emaa]

Here is one of the quotes about the cottage. "THE PROPERTY CONTAINS ONE HOUSE AND A COTTAGE ABOUT 100 FEET AWAY. THE COTTAGE IS CURRENTLY BEING RENTED FOR 800 DOLLARS A MONTH. THE HOME IS IN GOOD SHAPE BUT IS UNOCCUPIED."

Thanks. The blogger apparently got their info from this listing: http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/3193-Old-Lynchburg-Rd-North-Garden-VA-22959/79003608_zpid/

However, the listing was removed July 31st. So there is no way of knowing when that was originally posted and if someone is living there now.

 

[ILOKAL]

Here is one of the quotes about the cottage. "THE PROPERTY CONTAINS ONE HOUSE AND A COTTAGE ABOUT 100 FEET AWAY. THE COTTAGE IS CURRENTLY BEING RENTED FOR 800 DOLLARS A MONTH. THE HOME IS IN GOOD SHAPE BUT IS UNOCCUPIED."

That was from an expired real estate listing, as I recall. The most recent listing expired in July 2014.

 

[Fancynancy]

That's the first time I've heard him say he walked behind the house. In his "first" interview, he said he saw the black vultures Oct. 5th. It nagged him so he returned Oct. 6th. He saw no vultures. He walked a bit on the property and began to feel awkward feeling he might be trespassing since there was no longer a For Sale sign on the property. So he stopped, left the property, and at "exactly 9:45 AM" on Oct. 6th, he called in the tip.

That is quite different than any subsequent interviews he has given.

This is starting to (eerily) remind me of the Roy Kronk ordeal with Caylee Anthony...

 

[gliving]

I hear you, but after they searched his car and apt, they found something which allowed them to file charges of abduction with intent to defile....so if she went willingly which I'm not saying she neccasarily didn't, what do you suppose they found that allowed them to file those charges if not evidence h had altered her state of mind, or restrained her? They must have found something that gives them reasonable proof she didn't leave willingly with him.

What if the interior door handle was missing on the passenger side. Once she was inside the car, she couldn't leave.

 

[ILOKAL]

It was specifically stated by Wolf Blitzer on Situation Room this afternoon during his interview with Coy, that there were TWO DIFFERENT MEN who reported the buzzards.

Coy gave additional information relating to the man that he interviewed days ago, the one who reported buzzards on Oct 6. He was a Navy Seal, he walked the property and even went into the woods behind the house, as a poster here stated earlier.

You can see today's episode of Situation Room at www.cnn.com/go/ if you subscribe to CNN on cable or satellite.

The man who called in the report on Sept 30 did not get out of his vehicle. This was Mr. Pugh. In the article at the link below he says that he didn't even stop, he just rode by the house several times.

http://wvtf.org/post/landscaper-troubled-vultures-atop-empty-house

There were two different men who called in reports on different dates.

Please refer to my Post #1038 on Page 42 of this thread and be sure to read all four articles if you're interested.

 

[ILOKAL]

This is starting to (eerily) remind me of the Roy Kronk ordeal with Caylee Anthony...

Yep, it SURE does!

 

[Emaa]

This is JMHO- To me JM seems like the kind of guy that wants to dominate a situation/ person an I remain very doubtful that he used a taser- his fists and body, yes, more intimate. Again, just my opinion as we wait for more information to kick around.
Now I know we share in our belief that JM may not be the brightest of bright- I highly doubt he would rent out a cottage "publicly/ legally" to shelter his work. Break in, perhaps.

I didn't mean to imply he rented out the cottage so he could use it for rape and murder, just that his apartment was being rented out and I assume he was looking for somewhere to move. That's what I meant about him looking at the cottage to rent. That he could have actually rented the cottage gave me the creeps.

 

[ILOKAL]

It was specifically stated by Wolf Blitzer on Situation Room this afternoon during his interview with Coy, that there were TWO DIFFERENT MEN who reported the buzzards.

Coy gave additional information relating to the man that he interviewed days ago, the one who reported buzzards on Oct 6. He was a Navy Seal, he walked the property and even went into the woods behind the house, as a poster here stated earlier.

You can see today's episode of Situation Room at www.cnn.com/go/ if you subscribe to CNN on cable or satellite.

The man who called in the report on Sept 30 did not get out of his vehicle. This was Mr. Pugh. In the article at the link below he says that he didn't even stop, he just rode by the house several times.

http://wvtf.org/post/landscaper-troubled-vultures-atop-empty-house

There were two different men who called in reports on different dates.

Please refer to my Post #1038 on Page 42 of this thread and please read the four different articles if you're interested.

 

[Foxfire]

Quote Originally Posted by ksj3 View Post
That makes it even more curious. If two different people saw that many (?) buzzards nearly a week apart (five days), certainly they were not there for Hannah. Five days? They would have only needed one or two.

What was their food source, then, for that length of time?

I haven't a clue.

Could she have been submerged for a few days? When did that heavy rain happen? Maybe she was covered in water for a few days, and then when the water receded, the birds came back.

I do know that I had already realized that there were two different people who saw buzzards, because I realized that one said he got out of his vehicle and walked around, and the other said he didn't. Plus the dates were different, and the Oct 6 guy didn't make the distinction between turkey buzzards and black buzzards like the Sept 30 guy did. Obviously two different reports.

My question would be, "with at least two credible tips reporting scavenger/buzzard activity at the vacant property, why wasn't the tips followed up on"?

 

[cluciano63]

My question would be, "with at least two credible tips reporting scavenger/buzzard activity at the vacant property, why wasn't the tips followed up on"?

Especially when they were asking for just this sort of thing.

 

[ILOKAL]

My question would be, "with at least two credible tips reporting scavenger/buzzard activity at the vacant property, why wasn't the tips followed up on"?

If your interested in reading four different versions of Mr. Pugh's story, please see my post #1038 on Page 42 of this thread where I have posted the links.

 

[Conductor71]

It was specifically stated by Wolf Blitzer on Situation Room this afternoon during his interview with Coy, that there were TWO DIFFERENT MEN who reported the buzzards.

Coy gave additional information relating to the man that he interviewed days ago, the one who reported buzzards on Oct 6. He was a Navy Seal, he walked the property and even went into the woods behind the house, as a poster here stated earlier.

You can see today's episode of Situation Room at www.cnn.com/go/ if you subscribe to CNN on cable or satellite.

The man who called in the report on Sept 30 did not get out of his vehicle. This was Mr. Pugh. In the article at the link below he says that he didn't even stop, he just rode by the house several times.

http://wvtf.org/post/landscaper-troubled-vultures-atop-empty-house

There were two different men who called in reports on different dates.

I honestly mean no offense, but why is the buzzard tip so important? Is it to do with fast decomposition rate and how that impacts getting toxicology reports or rape kit results?

 

[Piaget]

I wonder if the farmer who found MH might have run her over with a heavy vehicle immediately prior to making the discovery. I think the ME would be able to tell if that was the case, but of course, wouldn't, and shouldn't say so publically yet. It may not have been JLM's MO, and so Hannah was found with bones unbroken.

Others have speculated damage done to MH by vultures or from being tackled during escape attempt

 

[whiskers]

I can't find FoxFire to quote, but I agree. I do believe the house, or cottage as you all call it, is pivotal in this case. Especially the basement. I never understood the gate. I think he tooled up the drive in his car. For years he's alluded LE. Never caught. It's late at night and he knew the house was not occupied or perhaps he knew it was recently rented. You can see the door to the basement area.

Something could have happened in the basement area. Hate even typing this. He could have left her there dead and then returned next day to bury in shallow grave. We all see the clay. The clay in my area of VA. is difficult to even dig a hole for a hydrangea. Forget putting in a pool. The clay stops everything. There is often normal topsoil, but then you begin digging several feet and it's complete brown and red clay. I see him digging a shallow grave. Thus finding in creek.

Or he could have left her in basement tied up. He realized all of the media attention and went back. Although I feel he did something awful that Saturday early morning.

I do feel the house has more secrets than we know. And knowing VA state police they won't let us know until a trial. JM may be large, but I see him as lazy. He got away with so much for many years. He's not one to dig a substantial grave for hours on end.

And I'm beginning to wonder if the remains were completely skeletal. I know some wonder about the LE who gave the interview as a ploy. I think that would be a possibility along with none of us truly knowing the end results of remains.