Hannah's Journey on 09/13

[Conductor71]

I do think it's possible she was intending to meet up with JM specifically. For marijuana. I think he's a drug dealer. Pure speculation, nothing at all to back that up.
But I can't understand where she would know him from...maybe bc JM is a local, a friend of hers from UVa gave her his # as a person to buy from?
Could that be what the high five woman was handing JM?

I agree there may be a whole drug subtext we will likely never learn about, but I do find it highly unusual that HG would be buying dime bags for her self unless she was a regular, serious user, IMO. As another person posted earlier (want to give credit but can't recall who OP is); attractive girls do not need it score their own drugs just for casual use or weekend partying.

 

[jamicat]

I am going to go back to the dinner party. Why did she leave? What do her friends say? Was she meeting someone? Did she tell them? Was she looking for drugs? Did her friends know? Was she upset about a guy and went looking for him?

Roommates know what's going on with the people they live with.

She is looking for someone/ something at McGradys for sure. JMO.

Whew I had to get that out of my head.

It seems to me it was party night galore at the Corner , for UVA students and Hannah had her particular set of parties she wanted to hit that night, and had a triple play in mind. She apparently started out with dinner at one place, left for another, and was asked by a classmate if he could walk her home,and she demurred, not telling him that she had yet a nother party to attend. LE and students there seem to know where she wanted go. She apparently was in touch with those there. Everyone had his/her own agenda. I think LE is has testimoney and texts that pretty much set the scene as it was for Hannah at that part of the evening.

Roommates do NOT always know what's going on with the peple they live with. This is not a dorm room, but an apartment with separate bedrooms. I 've lived in such arrangements where all of us had our own separate lives and did not hang out. That area where Hannah lived was mainly UVA undergrads, and they felt comfortable going about in that area, at all times of the night, just like campus.

She could have been looking for a familar face, a ride at McGrady's since it was a place she had frequented with her ski team. The name place is listed as a UVA spot, one of the few ifnot the only so mentioned in that mall area. She may have also asked to use the restroom.

I really think she simply got lost going to party #3 because she drank too much, had a poor sense of direction and was playing with her phone as she walked.

 

[Conductor71]

One thing about the cell phone time and text incongruence. Maybe this had been suggested, but is it possible that HG thought she sent her lost text at 1:06 when LE initially reports its last use, but that she failed to actually transmit it then? Only later did she notice it had not gone through and it then went out at 1:40? I have been certain texts were sent only to find I got distracted and never tapped send or the text got delayed due to technical glitch only to send itself later when syncing or powering phone back up.

 

[jamicat]

What I still can't get a grip on is why nobody missed her until Sunday afternoon? She seemed very popular, involved in a lot of groups, etc., etc. She's going from party to party all alone, wandering around in the wee hours of the night texting people that she's lost, and no one even knew she never came home? Very strange...

She is sharing an apartment with two others. They probably come in at all times of the night and morning on weekends, particularly, and no one does bed check. The roommates were probably busy all day Saturday, and then it's out again Saturday night. iIt wasn't until Sunday when Hannah is usually there that she was missed. THe roommates probably realized then that they had not seen her since Friday night. Tried to call her, text her. No response from cell phone. Called some freinds and realized that she did not make it back Saturday, no one saw her Saturday.

When I was in college, roommate and I got a call asking if we'd seen an acquaintance. The housemates were concerned because her parents were coming to look for her as she had not been home or in touch for a WEEK. BY chance, we know where to find her. She'd sort of moved in with a guy------it was summer and she was working, but not in touch with most of us at the school. Never bothered to let her housemates know,let alone her parents and never bothered to call her all week. I still remember her telling me not to call her at work, when I so tracked her down, and I had to interrrupt her to tell her that her parents were worried and were on their way. She did not thank me for the warning.

 

[Evie Ivy Over]

I was trying to find the article referencing the text that asked someone to come find her. What I found is not exactly what I remember from before:

September 16, 2014
Report: Missing College Student's Last Text: 'I'm Lost, Come Find Me'
http://patch.com/virginia/greateral...llege-students-last-text-im-lost-come-find-me

If this is accurate, it adds more credence to the possibility HG was texting JM when she was at the DM.

 

[jamicat]

One thing about the cell phone time and text incongruence. Maybe this had been suggested, but is it possible that HG thought she sent her lost text at 1:06 when LE initially reports its last use, but that she failed to actually transmit it then? Only later did she notice it had not gone through and it then went out at 1:40? I have been certain texts were sent only to find I got distracted and never tapped send or the text got delayed due to technical glitch only to send itself later when syncing or powering phone back up.

I can't remember what the final say was with the last text. If she sent the text at 1:06, wouldn't she have been seen on video texting? That is really close to the time she ran into JM. Or maybe she texted right after she met JM, and he offered her a ride which might explain the message--she figured she would be at that intersection in a few minutes. The surveillance camera that caught her with JM could very likely have the wrong time, as they are notoriously inaccurate time wise. She may have asked JM to drop her off there at the corner of 14th and W. It would have only been minutes away by car.

But I'm not sure when she wrote that last text and when it finally transmitted. Can LE tell from records only if a text happened to be written earlier and for whatever reason not transmitted right away? If they got in touch with the person to whom Hannah was texting, that person would have been able to show LE the time she got the text. But LE does not have Hannah's phone, just access to the records that I'm sure her parents released. I've not had such issues with texts, so I don't know what would cause delays other than one party being out of area or having phone turned off.

 

[Evie Ivy Over]

She is sharing an apartment with two others. They probably come in at all times of the night and morning on weekends, particularly, and no one does bed check. The roommates were probably busy all day Saturday, and then it's out again Saturday night. iIt wasn't until Sunday when Hannah is usually there that she was missed. THe roommates probably realized then that they had not seen her since Friday night. Tried to call her, text her. No response from cell phone. Called some freinds and realized that she did not make it back Saturday, no one saw her Saturday.

When I was in college, roommate and I got a call asking if we'd seen an acquaintance. The housemates were concerned because her parents were coming to look for her as she had not been home or in touch for a WEEK. BY chance, we know where to find her. She'd sort of moved in with a guy------it was summer and she was working, but not in touch with most of us at the school. Never bothered to let her housemates know,let alone her parents and never bothered to call her all week. I still remember her telling me not to call her at work, when I so tracked her down, and I had to interrrupt her to tell her that her parents were worried and were on their way. She did not thank me for the warning.

No accounting for manners sometimes, right?

I guess what I find disconcerting with HG's friends is that, according to LE, she was texting them about being lost, asking for someone to come find her. Yet, when she didn't show up the next day, they didn't think anything of it? There again, they may have texted her to see if she was okay and she didn't respond, so they just chalked it up to her extending her night of partying for another day or so? Like they say, with friends like that.............

 

[jamicat]

I was trying to find the article referencing the text that asked someone to come find her. What I found is not exactly what I remember from before:

September 16, 2014
Report: Missing College Student's Last Text: 'I'm Lost, Come Find Me'
http://patch.com/virginia/greateral...llege-students-last-text-im-lost-come-find-me

If this is accurate, it adds more credence to the possibility HG was texting JM when she was at the DM.

What is DM?

I don't remember this either and it is confusing me too. I don't think she was texting JM. LE would have known that since they have JM's phone and Hannah's records. THey seem to be sure Hannah did not know JM before meeting him that Saturday, and they've so stated several times. They seem to know who Hannah was texting. The indication has been that she was texting classmates at a party she was planning to attend but got lost trying to get there.

But that article disputes the info LE has given about her giving a puzzling location in a text as her last text.

 

[Charlie Chan]

What is DM?

I don't remember this either and it is confusing me too. I don't think she was texting JM. LE would have known that since they have JM's phone and Hannah's records. THey seem to be sure Hannah did not know JM before meeting him that Saturday, and they've so stated several times. They seem to know who Hannah was texting. The indication has been that she was texting classmates at a party she was planning to attend but got lost trying to get there.

But that article disputes the info LE has given about her giving a puzzling location in a text as her last text.

I think that it is very possible that HG did NOT know JM before Sat night....but that does not mean that she wasn't meeeting him "for some reason" for the first time. For all I know, HG had never touched any kindof drug in her life. But I think the facts as we know them support that she could indeed have been texting JM and was meeting him for a drug score "in his territory" with the promise or offer to give her a ride back home. I think this scenario is highly possible. For many reasons.

 

[SteveP]

I was trying to find the article referencing the text that asked someone to come find her. What I found is not exactly what I remember from before:

September 16, 2014
Report: Missing College Student's Last Text: 'I'm Lost, Come Find Me'
http://patch.com/virginia/greateral...llege-students-last-text-im-lost-come-find-me

If this is accurate, it adds more credence to the possibility HG was texting JM when she was at the DM.

I have spent considerable time today pondering this whole 'maybe she really was going to meet JLM' thing, and I have waffled more than a politician running for office. I am inclined to concede that, for whatever reason, she perhaps was, and I know I am the one preaching that LE isn't going to try this case in the media by telling us all they have, but I do think that if her texts were to JLM, LE would have divulged that, especially if they knew it before they apprehended him. After all, Longo had that emotional press conference where he straight up said, "we think Jesse Matthew is the last person to see her before she disappeared off the face of the earth", so it isn't like they were hiding the fact that he was their guy. JMO

 

[jamicat]

No accounting for manners sometimes, right?

I guess what I find disconcerting with HG's friends is that, according to LE, she was texting them about being lost, asking for someone to come find her. Yet, when she didn't show up the next day, they didn't think anything of it? There again, they may have texted her to see if she was okay and she didn't respond, so they just chalked it up to her extending her night of partying for another day or so? Like they say, with friends like that.............

You got it. Those housemates of a former dorm mate of mine did not miss her one bit when she was gone a week, maybe more. They had no idea how long she was gone. The house was comprised of disparate individuals and they all went their separate ways. The woman I knew often would go off and not tell anyone where she was going and for periods of time. They were not friends, those housemates.

I lived one year with 3 apartment mates and we were all in separate worlds and would have been unlkely to know if someone was gone for several days, maybe longer. We simply did not inform each other of our schedules and plans, and we did not hang out. We were not close friends though we all got a long with each other. College is odd that way. My son is not close to his apt mate. They get along but have totally different schedules, interests and friends.

In fact, I remember a couple of years ago, my son could not get a hold of his cousin who lives in a studio apartment by herself around the corner from my son. When she did not get back to him for a few days, he went to the apt. When she wasn't there, he called me to call family and make sure she was all right. And she was. Lost her cell phone but was at home with parents for some reason, and had not gotten a replacement phone. She, by the way, walked alone a lot in a student ghetto that was sketchy in safety. Lived by herself.

So I don't find any of this as unusual.

 

[whonos]

I dont see HG being a drug user, not with her grades and academic standing.

Finally, someone is making sense! Not to offend, but this was not the type of girl into drugs, etc. She was an athlete, and was studying! The party girls that are buying drugs are not studying. These things are on different ends of the spectrum. I saw a news clip of her high school coach and he said, something like, "Hannah would have done something that would change the world". He said all of her high school teachers were devastated. When you are excelling at that level, there is no time for drugs. She seemed sheltered and somewhat naive', so if I have missed some information about her partying and drinking/drugging, please let me know.

 

[Conductor71]

Maybe this seems silly but bloodhounds were used in retracing MH's last known locations and found to support eye witness accounts for the most part. I read that SAR dogs were used to search wooded areas for HG early on, but why could they not have been used outside of Tempo or near where JM's car was parked to confir witness sightings. They can track on asphalt or cement, or is the DM too populated in general so too many conflicting scents? I don't know much about SAR dogs but remarkably they could trace MH after 10 days, why not HG after 4 days?

 

[Fancynancy]

If she was texting JM wouldn't LE have already sought him out by his cell number instead of discovering him by video? Honest question...

 

[Conductor71]

If she was texting JM wouldn't LE have already sought him out by his cell number instead of discovering him by video? Honest question...

Her cell phone is missing, so they would only know by viewing JM's cell history or by requesting her records. It was at least 36 hours before she was declared missing by the police, if I recall correctly. Any info gleaned on texting so early on likely came from her friends' phones. Just deducing, but I could be wrong.

 

[whonos]

If she was texting JM wouldn't LE have already sought him out by his cell number instead of discovering him by video? Honest question...

She had nothing in common with JLM! I need some info about her being a party girl, to think she was meeting him for drugs! Come on, this young woman would most likely have high expectations of friends, romantic partners.

 

[whonos]

She had nothing in common with JLM! I need some info about her being a party girl, to think she was meeting him for drugs! Come on, this young woman would most likely have high expectations of friends, romantic partners.

And the jury is still out on her drunkeness. I read she had one drink/glass of wine at dinner. Since I do not have any info about Hannah except that she excelled at sports, was in pre-med and very serious, organized, it seems more likely that someone was adding drugs to the drinks at one of the parties.

 

[Bonacker]

I can imagine a smart, academically talented kid like HG sharing a toke of pot or even taking X at a dance party . . . sure . . . but wandering off on foot into the night to make a drug connection alone and somewhat scantily clad? It makes zero sense. Can we put that part of the argument to rest? (I mean, if people think this speculation is somehow helpful to our understanding or sleuthing, can we at least agree she would find pot, or whatever, at a party with friends, not alone?) Furthermore, the theory that she was seeking JM to buy drugs . . . .? Well, that's just whackdoodle. Sorry to be blunt. I mean, why would JM -- if he happened to have drugs and happened to be selling them to college girls, which are two giant "ifs" -- let them walk to find him halfway across the city? He'd drive to them, surely. Surely. Surely this "prowler" who was apparently constantly trying to get close to young, intoxicated college girls would hurry to drive to the young, intoxicated college girls instead of letting them text him and chase him via an hour-long zig-zaggy walk?

Let's move on, shall we? ;-)

 

[Fancynancy]

Her cell phone is missing, so they would only know by viewing JM's cell history or by requesting her records. It was at least 36 hours before she was declared missing by the police, if I recall correctly. Any info gleaned on texting so early on likely came from her friends' phones. Just deducing, but I could be wrong.

Oh I meant by phone records. I guess I don't know how long it would take then to get their hands on them.

 

[Evie Ivy Over]

I have spent considerable time today pondering this whole 'maybe she really was going to meet JLM' thing, and I have waffled more than a politician running for office. I am inclined to concede that, for whatever reason, she perhaps was, and I know I am the one preaching that LE isn't going to try this case in the media by telling us all they have, but I do think that if her texts were to JLM, LE would have divulged that, especially if they knew it before they apprehended him. After all, Longo had that emotional press conference where he straight up said, "we think Jesse Matthew is the last person to see her before she disappeared off the face of the earth", so it isn't like they were hiding the fact that he was their guy. JMO

Why do you think LE would have divulged that HG was meeting JM, or that they were texting? I think in the very beginning, they were diverting attention away from JM (with that whole incorrect description, saying they spoke with him and he wasn't a POI, etc.). Maybe at first they weren't worried about him--they knew who he was from the video, they saw HG had been texting him. Or, possibly JM was using a handle and they didn't know it was him HG was texting until later on.