GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #5

[puakenikeni]

HGO, a paywall is the same as buying the paper at a newsstand. Maui Now and Maui News have no obligation to the public to offer free online content. If this were 1984 (Olympic year *wink wink*) and you missed the news broadcast then you'd go pick up a newspaper. That paper isn't free, neither is online content.

Should I go away now? Ok I will.

please don't go away, Nikki. Please.
I hope I didn't seem to be taxing you on the Sat night CK notes. I was only trying to make sense of the timeline, like did it mean he didn't go out again after he talked to Grandfather and that was not him going to Hana. There is indeed a lot of information in the case and too much for busy people to remember it all. I love it that you took notes and you give us news from the trial when you are able to go.

I am sorry to hear the attention is fading, but it is a very long trial. I'm sure there is more interest from people who simply cannot go because they work or they live on other islands or anywhere else. There are people around the world who care.

 

[Nikki Lisette]

Pua, I'm not sensitive, my feelings don't bruise that easily. I posted my notes for breakdown so I appreciate the questions. I'm taking a break because I recognize it's overwhelming for me. That or PMS.

As an aside, I certainly don't mean to say Charli has disappeared from anyone's heart or minds. Quite the opposite, in talking to people in passing, they're surprised the trial is still going on! It seemed like such an open and shut case.

Guy gets ex girlfriend pregnant, has new girlfriend. Takes ex out for a drive, only one comes back.

 

[puakenikeni]

Good, Nikki, no bruised feelings.
Yes, seen that way it sounds very simple.
I personally don't have that acceptance of "just" killing a mother to be, a baby in utero, stabbing a fetus, and all the rest. That set of facts you wrote should not end in heinous murder. There have been and always will be guys who father children they do not want and can't raise and don't. In most cases, life goes on, including when the guy gets a new girlfriend.

it scares me about people, when I read these comments to the articles and Favebooks, that so many assume murder was likely and not a shocking outcome. Charli and Charli's family and friends knew the situation and did not expect him to murder her. If they had, she would have never gone anywhere alone.

I wonder if if we watch so many movies and shows about calculated murder that we forget it's not real life behavior except for the very few and extremely damaged among us. By "we" I mean the collective we, not the we posting to the forum, as I don't think anyone here sees murder as the normal way to behave when life doesn't go as we want it.

 

[Nikki Lisette]

We have definitely become desensitized to violent crime. My sister is a horror movie fanatic and every now and again she drags me to some gory haunting. I'm amazed at how sick and twisted an R rating goes to entertain and scare people. I mean the scripts were written by some pretty effed up people. Hitchcock and Serling would have no place in today's movie industry.

Anyway, of course the family wishes they could've seen this coming. I wish Charli spent the night at Brooke's! What troubles me like someone posted before, I wonder if total elimination was SC's ultimate goal? Had Charli given birth would he have tried to hurt her and the baby?

 

[Nikki Lisette]

In searching for PMS remedies, I came across a Reddit forum for "Child Free" adults. These men and women call pregnancies and unborn babies "parasites" and "unwanted crotch fruit". They speak openly about being cursed with fertility and the blessings of abortion.

There's nothing wrong with choosing to be childless. For the most part I read that the sexually active adults in the Child Free forum on Reddit did their part to prevent pregnancy. I don't know SC's mating habits, and whether his horse was saddled but certainly the irresponsible one is him! His prerequisite of abortion as a solution to unplanned pregnancy is immature and chauvinistic.

 

[Tssiemer]

I have chosen to be "childless" but I'm on the shot AND use condoms to prevent it.


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[puakenikeni]

His prerequisite of abortion as a solution to unplanned pregnancy is immature and chauvinistic.

Agree, and bad as that is, his fallback course of murder as a solution to unplanned pregnancy is ____ (no words). It's a long decline in humanity from denigrating offspring to stabbing one repeatedly with a knife. At least I hope it is.
I remember not wanting a baby, at least not at that time, right up to the point where I found myself having one. Then the maternal instinct kicked in out of nowhere. It's amazing how it goes from thinking it would be hell to have one of those torture machines to feeling like the world as I know it would end if anything happened to my child.

 

[Nikki Lisette]

I have this nagging feeling that SC will cop a plea.

Having a rep from ATT and Verizon testify will be like a "can you hear me now" commercial. How can the two companies contradict each other when they run different networks?

 

[puakenikeni]

I have this nagging feeling that SC will cop a plea.

Having a rep from ATT and Verizon testify will be like a "can you hear me now" commercial. How can the two companies contradict each other when they run different networks?

There are multiple phones to be tracked here, so both AT&T and Verizon could be carriers. Say he had one service and she had another and also Kurt Kaiser if they tracked his in SC's truck.

 

[puakenikeni]

Regarding my comment about the gap between disparagement and stabbing, I would never deny there is a continuum. I'm just noting that while many people spout off on the internet, very few cross the line between thoughts and speech into violent murderous action. And that line matters. On one side of the line, Charli and Joshua get to live their lives; on the other side they do not. On one side is constitutionally protected free speech; on the other side SC faces life in prison.

There are certain topics I don't debate on the Internet: abortion laws, religion, guns among them. So I will stay out of that. This was not an abortion, which aims to remove the fetus without harming the mother. It was a homicide/feticide. There's no question it was morally and legally horrendously wrong. Everyone here is entitled to their own opinion of whether Joshua was sentient enough to experience pain and death, at least in areas where science has not given us definite answers. If he was not yet viable outside the womb, he was getting close.

I do have a family member who was born at 5 1/2 months and two pounds weight who survived and is now a preteen. Of course he only survived with the best medical care Hawaii could offer being given him throughout his birth and two months in NICU. But he was a sentient human at that stage, mainly had underdeveloped lungs.

I know Kim believes Joshua was able to feel the pain, because she has said so in open letters to Steven.

I'm not sure how we meandered into this territory, but I may have started it when I started talking about how commenters take it for granted that a guy with a new girlfriend who doesn't want a kid would stab his ex and unborn son as a way of solving the dilemma for himself.

I personally need to maintain my sense that Steven's "solution" is an aberration from social norms. Thus my need for some evidence/proof that he was psychologically tweaked, which is different from him not understanding intellectually the difference between right and wrong. He was not psychotic or delusional or insane or diminished capacity, no sign of any of that. But he had to be bent. I am not convinced that he feels remorse about what he did; time will tell I guess, but so far he has let the circus play on for two and a half years and no sign of any concern other than protecting himself.

 

[Nikki Lisette]

I know Kim believes Joshua was able to feel the pain, because she has said so in open letters to Steven.

That's the worst right there.

 

[heartgoesout]

Any agenda for next week?

 

[Niner]

Wasn't there supposed to be a hearing today??

:wave:

 

[Nikki Lisette]

There's an editorial/advertisement on Maui News about Lila and the hard work she's put into the trial so far. I don't know how to link it. I read their articles from the app and a limited paid subscription.

 

[MakaniKitty]

Just read today's Maui News article. Sounds like SC may have torched Scott's vehicle right after midnight, at 12.45 am on 10th of Feb.

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[heartgoesout]

There's an editorial/advertisement on Maui News about Lila and the hard work she's put into the trial so far. I don't know how to link it. I read their articles from the app and a limited paid subscription.

Yes! Thank you Lila.

 

[Mamamerced]

http://mauinews.com/page/content.de...o-trial-resumes--It-smelled--like-death-.html

 

[Kapua]

Lila Fujimoto has obviously spend many, many hours in the courtroom to provide us with these detailed reports.

http://www.mauinews.com/page/conten...-resumes--It-smelled--like-death-.html?nav=10

Yesterday, Kyle Knight testified that he did NOT give SC a ride to work the morning of Feb. 9.
And...

"Two days before the 4Runner was found, two people living at a rental property on Haumana Road in Haiku testified they smelled smoke in the early-morning hours of Feb. 10, 2014.
Hayley Carradine said she was awakened at 12:45 a.m. by the smoke that filled the ohana unit where she was staying with her grandmother. "I thought our property was on fire," she testified Tuesday morning. "I checked my grandmother. I immediately closed the window."
She said she checked the garage, main dwelling and other areas of the property, crossing a bridge to reach her parents' bedroom on the 35-acre property.
"I felt like the air was hazy, a really bad smell, bad smoke," she said. "It was toxic."
Carradine, who now lives in Los Angeles, said the property is about a five-minute drive from "Jaws."
Joseph Regelbrugge, who also lived in a unit on the property and helped Carradine with caregiving for her father, said he got home between 1 and 2 a.m. and noticed the smoke and strong burning smell."

 

[heartgoesout]

Saturday 2/8 Morning time, Shelly Tumbaga testifies she does not see any vehicles abandoned on side of Hana. (not sure why Saturday morning matters)
Saturday, 2/8 early evening, Steven tells CK he's going to go to work on a friend’s truck. Kupstas said she wrote down a timeline of her Skype sessions with Capobianco, and found an entry that indicated he had gone to a party after. “He returned from the party at around 11 p.m. Hawaiʻi time,”said Kupstas
Saturday 2/8 11-11:45 pm Shelly Tumbaga sees 4runner with stickers on back (surfing and SF) traveling and stopping and going on Hana Hwy.
Saturday 2/8 11-11:30 pm Steven returns home per Carlos Young

Sunday 2/9 Kupstas skypes with Steven before he leaves for work.
Sunday 2/9 6:15 am Steven leaves for work (truck was not stuck overnight as he says)
Sunday 2/9 throughout day, Charli attends work function, gives a haircut and attends get together at BS house.
Sunday 2/9 Steven Facebook messages Kyle Knight but does not mention his truck being stuck and Knight did not give him a ride to work as SC told police.
Sunday 2/9 Steven tells Kurt kaiser his 4runner is at Mana Foods with him at work.
Sunday 2/9 Kupstas Skypes with Steven after his work. One curious thing was that she questioned why Capobianco was taking a shower when he said he was going to fix a car.
Sunday 2/9 8:15pm SC leaves his house (Casandra Kupstas) in his 4runner
Sunday 2/9 8:15pm Charlie leave BS house.
Sunday 2/9 Taylor Farner tries to contact SC with over 90 texts with no response.
Sunday 2/9 10:56pm last ping from Charli's phone at Nua'ailua (Paraquats).

Monday 2/10 12:45 am residents of Haumana Road in Haiku smell strong smoke.
Monday 2/10 Between midnight and 2:00am Taylor Farner meets SC in his white Ford at Hanzawa's.
Monday 2/10 2:30am CK gets a skype from SC.
Monday 2/10 7-7:30am Nala found clean at Nahiku Market Place by Albert Young. (Family does not have knowledge of this).
Monday 2/10 SC works at Mana Foods. 7am ?? to 3pm ??
Monday 2/10 SC shows up at the Makawao Kaiser home between 3-4:00pm to return a backpack KK also finds his cell phone. SC declines invitation to hang out because he "was in a hurry".
Monday 2/10 8:00pm after no return calls from Charli, KS texts family.
Monday evening KS and PW go to Charli's home.
Monday 2/10 10:00pm KS reports Charli missing
Monday 2/10 Adam and then wife go to Charli's home. She, nor her 4runner is there.

Tuesday 2/11 Police show up at SC home to question if he's seen Charli. He is on skype with CK
Tuesday 2/11 8:30 am Brooke Scott visits Steven at Mana foods to ask questions. SC agrees to meet her at Kimberlyn's house at 3:30p and they drive in separate vehicles to drive Hana. They meet up with Phaedra who joins Brooke in her car.
On way back to Haiku, Brooke and Phaedra checking spots and pull into road to Paraquat's, where they see SC's truck coming out. He says nothing down there,
offers to take them back down, they decline. Both vehicles proceed to KS Haiku home.
Tuesday 2/11 Later that evening SC is asked by KS to give a timeline. KS allows SC to take Zoey
Tuesday 2/11 9:30 pm Adams Gaines receives info that Charli's truck may have been seen in Keanae. He and Steven drive there. Steven tells Adam he's already search Paraquats (Nuaailua Bay).

Wednesday 2/12 1:30am Phaedra and Adam pick up Nala from Albert Young.
Wednesday 2/12 8:24 am Steven interview 1 with Det. Loo drove in his 4runner
Wednesday 2/12 11:22 am Steven interview 2 with Det Loo
Wednesday 2/12 Afternoon, Kyle Knight smells strong odor near Nuaailua Bay.
Wednesday 2/12 Afternoon, Steven shows up at Nahiku where searchers are but tells Kyle Knight he needs gas before he heads to Jaws for search.
Wednesday 2/12 Afternoon, Kyle Knight returns to Nuaailua Bay, (despite SC telling him it was searched several times), on his way to Jaws after searching Nahiku with others (because Nala was found there). He repels down a cliff near Nuaailua Bay only to find a hubcap.
Wednesday 2/12 evening Charli's burnt truck found at Jaws.
Wednesday 2/12 sunset, Steven goes home instead of going to jaws with Drew Kaiser. Also tells Kyle Knight he went home and KK says SC did not sound surprised when he told him Charli's car had been found torched.

Thursday 2/13 Adam Gaines sees Steven with bleach washing his 4runner while group is searching the area.
Thursday 2/13 Kyle Knight finds headlight and unburned crossmember and an access panel to the fuel tank. The gas tank was missing.


Location1: Burnt car found at Jaws, Wednesday 2/12 evening.

Location 2: Thursday 2/13 found late morning
some 5 miles away from location 4 near Mile Marker 9-10 near Kaumahina State Wayside Park, Police were led to the makai shoulder of the roadway where a blood stained pair of Blue jeans were found by searchers.
Blue jeans found lying on top of bushes when Loo arrived.
Zip ties found near jeans. (Not processed)

Location 3: Thursday 2/13
drag marks near guard rail Mile Marker 18 (not photographed) steep drop off several 100 ft.

Location 4
Thursday 2/13 Evening getting dark
Nuaailua Bay, which is known as "Paraquats" beach Mile Marker 15.5 area
Phaedra found: Charli's clothing, a long black skirt with stab marks and a blue polka dot blouse.
a green blanket WITH MAGGOTS, Twilight DVD. (??shoes belonging to Charli??, reported but not in testimony)
BLACK pants and GREY hooded zip up jacket (that were not Charli's)
Masking tape
(This is the area SC told Brooke when the two of them drove Hana on Feb. 11th that he had already looked there)

Location 4
Next day Friday 2/14
Nuaailua Bay, which is known as "Paraquats" beach Mile Marker 15.5 area
gloves reported but not testified to
Pool of maggots
Scott's jawbone split in two, 6 feet apart,
clumps of her red hair,
pieces of skin,
a bra,
body piercing with flesh,
fingertips and nails of her right hand,

In March 2014, with $1,900 still owing, Pechin said he repossessed the vehicle from Capobianco, who drove it to Pechin's house. Pechin said he stored the 4Runner at his residence for "less than a week" before "the police took the vehicle for evidence." vehicle had been locked, except for the broken back window, which had a tarp and brick over it, Pechin said. He said items shown in a photograph of the console, including a piece of rope and red pepper spray canister, weren't his.
noted for myself.

Wailua Wayside Park, where Capobianco said he was picked up by the driver of the Toyota Corolla.

 

[heartgoesout]

Just adding to timeline. : )