GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #6

[Moxie_McTavish]

OOOOH, more security cameras and register transactions! They can probably tie the transaction to the rewards card!

They could have done that...But did they?
This is Maui PD we're talking about. They're not known for being the sharpest tools in the shed.
(I tried to watch some of the trial footage with Detective Loo but it was so cringe-worthy that I couldn't watch. He was borderline catatonic, bungling up his own time on the force, contradicting himself. That's when he wasn't just staring out with bovine incomprehension. OK I'll stop. lol)

Anyway, I'm not sure how difficult it would be to subpeona that kind of transaction info from a large, nationwide retail chain...

 

[Kapua]

I have to work a bit today as well. Bringing my Google Maps estimates forward to help anyone who wants to try creating a timeline.

If SC murdered Charli on Sunday night, left her body @ Nua'ailua, and returned Monday to dispose of the body, we don't need to add time for the crime scene work to the Sunday night timeline.
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Travel times according to Google maps. All times are calculated without traffic.

225 Kalipo Place Haiku to Hana Fire Station - 1 hour 34 min.

Hana Fire station to Nua'ailua Bay - 46 min.

225 Kalipo Place Haiku to Nua'ailua - 49 min.

Hana Fire Station to Jaws -1 hour 41 min.

 

[Kapua]

They could have done that...But did they?
This is Maui PD we're talking about. They're not known for being the sharpest tools in the shed.
(I tried to watch some of the trial footage with Detective Loo but it was so cringe-worthy that I couldn't watch. He was borderline catatonic, bungling up his own time on the force, contradicting himself. That's when he wasn't just staring out with bovine incomprehension. OK I'll stop. lol)

Anyway, I'm not sure how difficult it would be to subpeona that kind of transaction info from a large, nationwide retail chain...

LOL, well way back before the trial started I thought, rural Maui, the police assigned to that area have to know where every security camera is. We're not talking downtown LA here. They cannot be that incompetent.

Live stream is back.

 

[puakenikeni]

I have to work a bit today as well. Bringing my Google Maps estimates forward to help anyone who wants to try creating a timeline.

If SC murdered Charli on Sunday night, left her body @ Nua'ailua, and returned Monday to dispose of the body, we don't need to add time for the crime scene work to the Sunday night timeline.
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Travel times according to Google maps. All times are calculated without traffic.

225 Kalipo Place Haiku to Hana Fire Station - 1 hour 34 min.

Hana Fire station to Nua'ailua Bay - 46 min.

225 Kalipo Place Haiku to Nua'ailua - 49 min.

Hana Fire Station to Jaws -1 hour 41 min.

thanks again, that is perfect,
he has under 3 hours to make that round trip. It simply doesn't add up for him to get back at 11:20.
Does anyone remember Jennifer's time window for when she saw him?

 

[Mamamerced]

thanks again, that is perfect,
he has under 3 hours to make that round trip. It simply doesn't add up for him to get back at 11:20.
Does anyone remember Jennifer's time window for when she saw him?

Just going off the top of my head, I believe
JT said between 9:30 and 11:30.

 

[puakenikeni]

Just going off the top of my head, I believe
JT said between 9:30 and 11:30.

sounds right, and at least that fits. Maybe the 11:20 represents an area approaching his regular area but not all the way there.
What was he doing texting from the crime scene area?

 

[Mamamerced]

sounds right, and at least that fits. Maybe the 11:20 represents an area approaching his regular area but not all the way there.
What was he doing texting from the crime scene area?

Was it an incoming or outgoing text. I don't remember.
Could he have been returning the back way?

 

[Kapua]

So from Haiku to Nua’ailua = 49 min.
~8:30 -8:45 – 9:19 – 9:34
Leaving Nua’ailua, going to Hana = 46 minutes
~9:50 - 10:31
Leaving Hana, going to Jaws 1 hour 41 minutes
~ 10:40 – 12:20
That doesn’t jive with being back in Haiku area at 11:20. It’s an hour off.

 

[puakenikeni]

Was it an incoming or outgoing text. I don't remember.
Could he have been returning the back way?

I think it was outgoing, but special agent didn't focus on who sent the communications, just on location (except for with Charli).

So if he was near Keanae/Paraquat's at 9:49, and say he was leaving at the point he texted (perhaps to someone in Hana?), that gave him a bare minimum of time at Nua'ailua. He doesn't get to Hana until after 10:30 (which is in the center of Jennifer's window and works fine), but that only gives him about 45 minutes to get back into range of the other tower. Which timeline is not really going to work either way he goes, and then assuming he actually does something or meets someone in or near Hana ...
There were two texts at 11:20 and 11:23. There was another one at 1:30 or so that could work for Taylor. btw, there's no real sign of her "blowing up his phone" with texts that day, at least it was not mentioned.

 

[puakenikeni]

So from Haiku to Nua’ailua = 49 min.
~8:30 -8:45 – 9:19 – 9:34
Leaving Nua’ailua, going to Hana = 46 minutes
~9:50 - 10:31
Leaving Hana, going to Jaws 1 hour 41 minutes
~ 10:40 – 12:20
That doesn’t jive with being back in Haiku area at 11:20. It’s an hour off.

Kapua, awesome breakdown. I posted at the same time and didn't see this. No, it doesn't work. I'd love to know where the tower reception starts going around the south, but it's a long road. There's probably no service for a good part of it. I drove part of it from the Ulupakalua winery towards Kaupo a couple years ago, two months before this murder, and I vividly recall there was No Service at all on my AT&T phone once I got into that stretch with the windmills. He would likely need to get close to the winery to tune into that tower.

 

[Kapua]

And... according to Google Maps, it takes 1 hr. and 46 minutes without traffic to get from the Hana Fire Station to the Ulupalakua Ranch Store, and another 45 minutes without traffic to get from Ulupalakua to Haiku.

I stand by my opinion that he drove back to Haiku from Hana on Hana Hwy.

 

[Mamamerced]

Just throwing it out there....not trying to confuse things....From Hasegawa's in Hana...going the backside...to Haiku...in a Four Runner....at night no traffic...Fast. 2 hours? Yet he could do that back to Haiku I think as well on the east side. Ive been to Hana on my dirt bike in an hour and a half Kaupo way.

Pua and Kapua,

This is what PT recently posted about travel times from Hana to Haiku going both directions....I think...not completely sure what he meant by the last sentence. I assume he meant Haiku to Hana the backway.

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

Those travel times are very interesting.

We also have to add in there the time it took to kill Charli & stow her away in back of her 4-Runner....as well as the time it takes to turn into Nua'ailua, deposit her, and drive back out.

He was using her 4-Runner which was lower to the ground than his, so it would have been slightly more difficult to manouver down the rough dirt road to Paraquats. I'm not familiar with that road, but I've read that Charli's vehicle would have had a hard time of it, so I'd estimate at least 5 minutes in, 5 minutes to remove, drag into the brush, and stash Charli's body....and then 5 minutes back out. So a 15 minute excursion added onto those travel times that Kapua posted (not counting the time it took to murder her).

 

[Kapua]

Pua and Kapua,

This is what PT recently posted about travel times from Hana to Haiku going both directions....I think...not completely sure what he meant by the last sentence. I assume he meant Haiku to Hana the backway.

Kaupo way is the back way.

The one thing that makes the cell phone info work is if we assume that he didn't do anything to Charli's phone, that it was with her (again, did that skirt have pockets?), and just sent out the last Life 360 ping at 9:49 before the battery died. Then we can create a timeline that makes sense with the other evidence.

 

[Kapua]

Those travel times are very interesting.

We also have to add in there the time it took to kill Charli & stow her away in back of her 4-Runner....as well as the time it takes to turn into Nua'ailua, deposit her, and drive back out.

He was using her 4-Runner which was lower to the ground than his, so it would have been slightly more difficult to manouver down the rough dirt road to Paraquats. I'm not familiar with that road, but I've read that Charli's vehicle would have had a hard time of it, so I'd estimate at least 5 minutes in, 5 minutes to remove, drag into the brush, and stash Charli's body....and then 5 minutes back out. So a 15 minute excursion added onto those travel times that Kapua posted (not counting the time it took to murder her).

Brooke's vehicle was the one that would have had a hard time of the dirt road. Charli's should have made it as far as Molly's truck or maybe farther.

 

[Mamamerced]

Kaupo way is the back way.

The one thing that makes the cell phone info work is if we assume that he didn't do anything to Charli's phone, that it was with her (again, did that skirt have pockets?), and just sent out the last Life 360 ping at 9:49 before the battery died. Then we can create a timeline that makes sense with the other evidence.

Right, my point being Peter's timing cuts 45 mins. off the timeline you posted going the back way from Hana to Haiku. Different vehicles, of course would alter timing somewhat.

 

[Kapua]

Right, my point being Peter's timing cuts 45 mins. off the timeline you posted going the back way from Hana to Haiku. Different vehicles, of course would alter timing somewhat.

I stand by my opinion that SC went back to Haiku the front way.

And I can't make the timeline work with the Google Maps times. Another thing that PT said was that if you know the road, you can shave 15 minutes off Google Maps times. But I think you'd want to be a little bit careful if you were driving around in a bloody mess of a car.

 

[Mamamerced]

I stand by my opinion that SC went back to Haiku the front way.

And I can't make the timeline work with the Google Maps times. Another thing that PT said was that if you know the road, you can shave 15 minutes off Google Maps times. But I think you'd want to be a little bit careful if you were driving around in a bloody mess of a car.

Not trying to twist your arm, Kapua, lol. Just showing a time variance between Google and a local's time estimate.

 

[Kapua]

Not trying to twist your arm, Kapua ��

All good. I don't have a problem with anyone who has a different opinion. But I have driven that road during the daytime, and it was unpaved part of the way. You can only drive so fast on an unpaved road. PT has a dirt bike. Totally different vehicle, IMHO.

 

[Mamamerced]

All good. I don't have a problem with anyone who has a different opinion. But I have driven that road during the daytime, and it was unpaved part of the way. You can only drive so fast on an unpaved road. PT has a dirt bike. Totally different vehicle, IMHO.

Agree. I don't necessarily have an opinion, yet, as to which route SC took. I drove that road twice, in a VW van (haha), in the mid seventies. It took forever, with huge gully-like ruts in the road. Cannot imagine speeding on it.