GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #6

[heartgoesout]

That's kinda close together for 5 months

 

[Napili]

Re returning to work at the site, stench and vomiting...

None of the testimony by Goff has to be dismissed for vomit to be a place for maggot feeding. But, what discounts it as having to do with the mass in the indentation, as I understand Goff's report re the Maggot mass that they found churning in the indentation, was that there HAD BEEN a food source which was no longer there. The removal of the food source, according to Goff, would halt further development of the critters, and this was observed by him. It was so soon after, though, that they had not died yet.

Please reference Pua's post #619 on 9/24, et al. I just reread it & the others & found it helpful.

But, just an aside, really, I do keep wondering how that little man could have born the decomposition, and working in the dark, yet.
Maybe Nose plugs.

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

I think vomiting is a reasonable idea to bring up, but it's just not consistent with the entomologists testimony and I would refer you back to the archived segments.

The spot where the maggots were was also alerted by the cadaver dog, which are highly trained to respond only to human decomp, which is not the same smell as vomit.

The smell of decomp by the highway bridge at Nua'ailua literally stopped people who were driving through, according to Kyle Knight. Some vomit a quarter mile away would not do that. There are numerous references to how awful the stench was in the area, still, from 3-6 days after the murder. That cannot be accounted for by vomit, so I think it's pretty clear that vomit is not needed to provide the food source for the younger maggots. Could it also have been present? Sure, but I just don't think it invalidates the testimony by Goff if so. JMO.

Thanks. I agree that there was a strong smell from the remains and that Charli's remains were present there for days and that they were the main source of maggots.......but my thought was just that the maggots inside the "indentation" on the ground (I have a hard time picturing that...is it a hole in the ground? a spot where vegetation has died? or what?) could have come from vomit: the rain would have helped the "slime" of the vomit absorb or wash away, the maggots would've eaten the solids, and the acidic bile might have killed the vegetation in that spot creating an "indentation" in the grass? When the maggots finished consuming the solids of the vomit, there would be nothing left there except squirming maggots and a section of dead grass, possibly?

It was just an idea to account for maggots in the indentation, because most everyone would retch if they had to smell & touch rotting, dismembered human remains. I would assume Steven would react this way too.

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

Mox, I love that you think outside the box. My signature reminds me of that. Ideas may be shot down or not plausible but it sure gets people thinking. Don't stop. I appreciate the thought you put in.

Thank you very much, HGO.
I like to use logic to try to fit details together like puzzle pieces. I know a lot of things are not the most likely scenario, but at least it's something to keep on the table of possibilities.

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

there HAD BEEN a food source which was no longer there. The removal of the food source, according to Goff, would halt further development of the critters, and this was observed by him. It was so soon after, though, that they had not died yet.

Maybe the maggots had finished consuming whatever was there? Like a piece of viscera or some vomit... I don't know, but I am surprised that there was no vomit reported there when we know Steven was going there every day, fiddling with the remains in some way. Ugh...Maybe he vomited into the creek.

 

[Napili]

Maybe the maggots had finished consuming whatever was there? Like a piece of viscera or some vomit... I don't know, but I am surprised that there was no vomit reported there when we know Steven was going there every day, fiddling with the remains in some way. Ugh...Maybe he vomited into the creek.

Yes. I see what you're saying, referencing also your post above. The indentation doesn't have to be the source of the stench that was so noticeable on Wednesday. That could have resided in the blanket still, at the time, on a tarp, or in a large bag.

And, the vomit could have been a food source, if they go after meatless fare. Could be that possible accomplice just lost a nice fish taco or two. From the blanket, an enticing odor might have been attracting a great many flies that could not get through the blanket or whatever, so they laid eggs in a more concentrated mass on what was available...

Anyway, it is possible, but, it's kind of leading me off on a rabbit trail. Although I really appreciate how you so thoroughly explore the scenario.

I'm thinking more about how many trips it would take & what opportunities he had. Better & easier for him, if the trek was short. I'm thinking cliff side. The nearest accessible cliff side. It took me a long time to accept her dismemberment as fact. I thought of any number of other ways those parts they found could be explained. But, it's clearly the only reasonable way he could do it, given the insect timetable and his known comings & goings.

And now, the only thing that seems to make sense is small loads disposed of nearby, with repeated small trips when he's out there. Six 30lb bags = 180 lbs. = only 6 trips in 3 day/nights. I imagine it becoming harder & harder to handle.

So now. Where did they search cliffs near there? Did they search for a large body instead of small pieces?
I'm sure this has been proposed sometime in the past 2 1/2 years; maybe someone has tucked that knowledge away.

 

[puakenikeni]

Thanks. I agree that there was a strong smell from the remains and that Charli's remains were present there for days and that they were the main source of maggots.......but my thought was just that the maggots inside the "indentation" on the ground (I have a hard time picturing that...is it a hole in the ground? a spot where vegetation has died? or what?) could have come from vomit: the rain would have helped the "slime" of the vomit absorb or wash away, the maggots would've eaten the solids, and the acidic bile might have killed the vegetation in that spot creating an "indentation" in the grass? When the maggots finished consuming the solids of the vomit, there would be nothing left there except squirming maggots and a section of dead grass, possibly?

It was just an idea to account for maggots in the indentation, because most everyone would retch if they had to smell & touch rotting, dismembered human remains. I would assume Steven would react this way too.

Moxie, they published a photo of the indentation on the big screen during Goff's testimony. It was very helpful to see it, if you can find it, but I didn't note the spot. Not at the beginning when he was doing his educational bits.

It looks like a natural little low spot. A valley but not as sharp as a hole. Stones in the earth, and grass.

I thought of Kim's poem to Charli of clawing the earth where "you" died after the police showed them the spot. She and Brooke took some soil. In November of 2014. I think that would have been the spot, or the base of the tree. See if you can find the photo by sliding through the archive videos?

 

[puakenikeni]

Yes. I see what you're saying, referencing also your post above. The indentation doesn't have to be the source of the stench that was so noticeable on Wednesday. That could have resided in the blanket still, at the time, on a tarp, or in a large bag.

And, the vomit could have been a food source, if they go after meatless fare. Could be that possible accomplice just lost a nice fish taco or two. From the blanket, an enticing odor might have been attracting a great many flies that could not get through the blanket or whatever, so they laid eggs in a more concentrated mass on what was available...

Anyway, it is possible, but, it's kind of leading me off on a rabbit trail. Although I really appreciate how you so thoroughly explore the scenario.

I'm thinking more about how many trips it would take & what opportunities he had. Better & easier for him, if the trek was short. I'm thinking cliff side. The nearest accessible cliff side. It took me a long time to accept her dismemberment as fact. I thought of any number of other ways those parts they found could be explained. But, it's clearly the only reasonable way he could do it, given the insect timetable and his known comings & goings.

And now, the only thing that seems to make sense is small loads disposed of nearby, with repeated small trips when he's out there. Six 30lb bags = 180 lbs. = only 6 trips in 3 day/nights. I imagine it becoming harder & harder to handle.

So now. Where did they search cliffs near there? Did they search for a large body instead of small pieces?
I'm sure this has been proposed sometime in the past 2 1/2 years; maybe someone has tucked that knowledge away.

Yes, I proposed yesterday they may have not found her there because of the small pieces when they were looking for large whole person. When Kyle rappeled down the edge from the highway, he was looking for something reflective, like a piece of her car, because he saw some metal reflection.

I gather that the upper valley along the stream was harder to reach and less searched. The natural focal point was the water, the beach, where the stream issues.

Goff thought the food source had been removed, not consumed. And yes, he said the blow fly maggots eat meat and only meat. I noticed because I had mentioned problems with maggots in coffee grounds -- I thought about that and I think those are the fruit fly maggots. They love coffee. So these in the present case were larvae from regular flies and they are strict carnivores, according to Goff. They also do not eat bone, tendons, or hair, he said.

 

[Kapua]

Charli had an anatomy scan. 47 images were taken, some for size and growth of the fetus.

Dr. Annerman: Gender is usually included within those images.
Jones: And how is that determined?
Dr. Annerman: By looking between the fetal legs.

 

[heartgoesout]

From Maui Now. What is this about?
"Aside from the processing that he testified to, Apo asked if Souki received any other items, that were recovered throughout the course of the investigation. “How about a red towel (and) blue long sleeve shirt,” Apo asked. Souki could not confirm indefinitely saying, “I would have to look at the chain of custody report,” but said he believed that he did receive them for trying purposes."

 

[heartgoesout]

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Good picture of the tree from today's Maui News.

Did he swing the weapon into the tree to keep it there so he didn't lose it?

 

[Kapua]

From Maui Now. What is this about?
"Aside from the processing that he testified to, Apo asked if Souki received any other items, that were recovered throughout the course of the investigation. “How about a red towel (and) blue long sleeve shirt,” Apo asked. Souki could not confirm indefinitely saying, “I would have to look at the chain of custody report,” but said he believed that he did receive them for trying purposes."

That last sentence makes no sense whatsoever.

Let me take a wild stab at what that means.

Souki could not definitely confirm, saying, “I would have to look at the chain of custody report,” but said he believed that he did receive them for testing purposes."

 

[Kapua]

Next witness: Robert Lewis Lee, lives near Jaws on Nahele Rd. Has lived on Maui for 45 years. He looks for car parts on abandoned vehicles, has been doing that for 5-6 years and recycles the parts. The vehicle was upright when he saw it and the doors were on it. He went to Jaws at night. The vehicle was in an open area. Monday night he saw the vehicle.

 

[Mamamerced]

Next witness: Robert Lewis Lee, lives near Jaws on Nahele Rd. Has lived on Maui for 45 years. He looks for car parts on abandoned vehicles, has been doing that for 5-6 years and recycles the parts. The vehicle was upright when he saw it and the doors were on it. He went to Jaws at night. The vehicle was in an open area. Monday night he saw the vehicle.

Was a time established?
Had it been burned?

 

[heartgoesout]

So when do we get results from all these witness testimonies. Lost of info but then no results.

 

[puakenikeni]

Rivera has to lay "foundation" for each result, by putting facts into evidence. He works towards the witness in the chain who can testify as to testing results. Testing results are hearsay if anyone but the person who ran them talks about them. A lab person cannot testify on tests done on the car until the foundation is complete on establishing the car was burned and where, when, etc. that can be gotten from these witnesses.

 

[puakenikeni]

That last sentence makes no sense whatsoever.

Let me take a wild stab at what that means.

Souki could not definitely confirm, saying, “I would have to look at the chain of custody report,” but said he believed that he did receive them for testing purposes."

Well done! Agree.

 

[PeterTosh]

Did he swing the weapon into the tree to keep it there so he didn't lose it?

its very possible

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

I'm thinking more about how many trips it would take & what opportunities he had. Better & easier for him, if the trek was short. I'm thinking cliff side. The nearest accessible cliff side. It took me a long time to accept her dismemberment as fact. I thought of any number of other ways those parts they found could be explained. But, it's clearly the only reasonable way he could do it, given the insect timetable and his known comings & goings.

And now, the only thing that seems to make sense is small loads disposed of nearby, with repeated small trips when he's out there. Six 30lb bags = 180 lbs. = only 6 trips in 3 day/nights. I imagine it becoming harder & harder to handle.

So now. Where did they search cliffs near there? Did they search for a large body instead of small pieces?
I'm sure this has been proposed sometime in the past 2 1/2 years; maybe someone has tucked that knowledge away.

I gather that the upper valley along the stream was harder to reach and less searched. The natural focal point was the water, the beach, where the stream issues.

.

More and more, I'm coming around to the simplest scenario: the ocean.
The reason is because I am starting to accept that SC is not some mastermind psychopath - he's basically just a dumb guy. Looking on his Instagram and seeing how immature and dumb he is........the fact that he left the pepper spray inside the console of his 4-Runner when it was repo'd (probably his victim's pepper spray, no less!).......the fact that he left all that stuff at Nua'ailua........the fact that he told 3 different stories about the hand injuries. = He's dumb as rocks!

He probably didn't have some complex thing that he did with the body, he probably did the most stereotypical and obvious thing: put her in the ocean, unconcerned with possibilities like a finger washing ashore at Black Sand Beach, etc. I think he probably either put the remains into the water at Nua'ailua or out below Hana (because he was seen in Hana on Sunday night, and a clump of red hair was found on a fence at Hana Ranch).

And If I was going to dispose of a body on Maui, I personally would take it to the south side of the island, out Kaupo way, because it's the most desolate part of the island.

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

The live-feed on Youtube says September 26 but it's actually the 27th.

Detective Earles talking about how he processed evidence again....