GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #6

[Kapua]

Witness testifies to seeing torched 4Runner

http://www.mauinews.com/page/conten...stifies-to-seeing-torched-4Runner.html?nav=10

Robert Lee said he was driving through the area, which is known as a dumpsite for vehicles, when he saw the Toyota 4Runner.
"I saw this vehicle was completely burned and didn't look like anything was wrong with it," Lee said. "I thought it was a stolen car or something. It didn't look like anything was salvageable."
Lee said he saw the 4Runner on "a Monday night, I believe," which would have been Feb. 10, 2014, the night after 27-year-old Makawao resident Carly "Charli" Scott was last seen alive.

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The 1997 Toyota 4Runner, which belonged to Scott, was overturned on its driver's side, with all four doors and the front grill missing when police recovered it. Its license plate was lying on the ground in front of the vehicle, said police evidence specialist Anthony Earles.
In contrast, Lee said the 4Runner had all its doors when he saw it. "It was all complete except it was burned," Lee said. "It was all intact. Everything that I could see was intact."
Lee, who was working as a mechanic, said he lives about a mile away from "Jaws" and has gone there for five or six years to look for car parts from abandoned vehicles to recycle.
Lee said he didn't take any parts from the 4Runner. The same night, he said he told his friend Christopher Fanelli, who also recycles car parts, about the vehicle.
Earlier in the trial, Fanelli testified he took the tow package and removed the gas tank to reach the fuel pump of the 4Runner. Fanelli said his friend removed copper wiring from the vehicle.

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During cross-examination, defense attorney Jon Apo asked Lee whom he talked to for information on the location of the 4Runner doors.
"That's confidential," Lee said.
He said he didn't give the name to Dods.
"So if Detective Dods didn't know who it was, he couldn't follow up on that person's involvement in anything?" Apo asked.
Lee said yes.

 

[Mamamerced]

He is a character, but thanks to him and James Blando, the fire inspector, we know that the vehicle was burned in an upright position with the doors on. I felt bad for him having to talk about his police record in court when it had nothing to do with the case.

Apo again attempted to assassinate Charli's character in his cross-examination of Dr. Ammerman yesterday. Despicable.

Apo keeps lowering the bar of decency. SC must be rubbing off on him.

 

[Napili]

We dont know there was bleach inside. We only know there were bleach bottles

True, PT. Any ideas?

 

[Napili]

https://www.google.com/maps/@20.8585787,-156.1547572,3a,60y,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seuIVR3i-XAQgazhtrYIiaA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656View attachment 102162View attachment 102161

Of course. So this pic is from Keanae looking towards Honomanu. Paraquats is in between, See the road cut? Pretty hard to search.

Hard, but not impossible.

 

[PeterTosh]

True, PT. Any ideas?

No. You have to figure the plastic on a bleach bottle to be different from say a water bottle. I did some Googling on Sulfuric Acid and it would not have done the job. Too much Breaking Bad. It was probably bleach

 

[PeterTosh]

Hard, but not impossible.

Impossible I would say in more areas than not. Look at the shoreline pic.

 

[Napili]

https://www.google.com/maps/@20.8585787,-156.1547572,3a,60y,90t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1seuIVR3i-XAQgazhtrYIiaA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656View attachment 102162View attachment 102161

Of course. So this pic is from Keanae looking towards Honomanu. Paraquats is in between, See the road cut? Pretty hard to search.

Is this where the turnout is on the mauka side?

 

[Napili]

Impossible I would say in more areas than not. Look at the shoreline pic.

They did search cliff sides like this before, correct? By chopper and rappelling...? Can they get a rubber boat in the water? Is it dive-able?

Thank you, btw

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

Ocean makes the most sense to me, but I am open to other possibilities because SC has done quite a few things that don’t make sense. I think, why would you move the body when there's a great big ocean nearby? Also, he wouldn’t want to get blood in his 4Runner. In addition to the lies about his hand injuries, he also had 3 different versions of where he last saw Charli’s headlights. And he told Kurt Kaiser that his backpack was in his truck Sunday Feb. 9 at Mana Foods and that he could go get it. Blowing your own alibi is not too bright.

A couple of things...

When my folks had their house fumigated on Maui, they were given very thick clear plastic bags to put food in and anything that they didn't want gassed. It was rubber banded at the top and then doubled over and rubber banded a second time. This was deemed enough to keep the fumigation gas out. It could keep gasses in, as well. Masking tape could substitute for the rubber bands. ...Two rolls doesn't automatically imply another person. He picked up two bottles of bleach and two rolls of tape -- just in case. He just grabbed the nearest one to use and they emptied together; no system to it at all. (Moo)

Quicklime as used in construction, or lime as used in the garden, could be used too, I think.

Already having done way too much work, for a lazy & dumb guy...What's easiest, empty the contents into the sea, or take the small loads to the dumpster? On my family's side, the trash is collected twice a week. Depending on when collection is, Tuesday morning's, Wednesday morning's & Thursday's pickups could have finished the job in the nick of time.

Hmmm. I wonder if they've checked the landfill for smaller bundles...

It's an interesting theory for sure, Napili. I went and looked at the article last night and Adam Gaines said the 2 bleach bottles that were sitting in front of the truck in the driveway looked new. If the jugs had been taken out to the wet jungle of Paraquats and used several times, day after day, they should have a bit of mud or flecks of vegetation, etc. on them. And Gaines did *not* note that the jugs were wet, so I doubt Steven hosed them off when he was washing his car. The two bleach bottles are a mystery.

And again, I'm very baffled by the two rolls of masking tape which both only had a little tape left on them...and why he would be using that material if he was going to dispose of her in the ocean. Those things don't correlate very well to me.

Then there's the large zip ties that were found attached together, found with the pants tossed over the guardrail.

If we hypothetically accept that both of these materials - masking tape & LARGE zip-ties - do emanate from SC's crime, then any theory needs to account for these materials in the disposal process.

I'm leaning toward a land disposal, so burial or dumped in the garbage, because using so much masking tape isn't consistent with putting the remains in the ocean to me.

 

[Kapua]

I put a lot of faith in the cadaver dogs. The dogs do not have opinions. They just follow their noses.

The cadaver dogs showed interest in two places. The first was the area under the tree and the other was by the stream.

One of the dogs, Pohaku, a dog that doesn't like water, put his feet in the stream and blew bubbles under the water. I think he was trying to tell us something.


Pohaku continued searching. Near a stream bed, he "again showed the change of body carriage, quickening of pace and started snorkeling under the water," Walden said.

"He would stick his nose under the water and blow bubbles, which was unusual for him," she said. "He kind of stayed in that one area. He never went to final alert but definitely change of body carriage."

http://www.mauinews.com/page/conten...-describe-dogs-separately-detecting-odor.html

Walden and her dog proceeded with a “serpentine” movement down to the stream bed, where Walden said Pōhaku showed a change in body carriage again and began exhibiting “unusual behavior” for him.

Although he doesn’t like water, Walden said Pōhaku put his feet in the stream and started blowing bubbles under the water with his nose, but did not go into final alert at that particular location. Walden said that upon return to the cars after the search, she was told by police that “clothing or something of that nature” was recovered from the stream bed area.

http://mauinow.com/2016/08/30/capobianco-trail-cadaver-dogs-alert-searchers-to-wooded-area/

 

[PeterTosh]

Is this where the turnout is on the mauka side?

Yes. But its not where Steven said his car was dead. That was a few more miles up towards Hana

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

But Kapua, since the found evidence already indicated that both of those areas (under the tree & the streambed) were areas that the crime had occurred, the dog sniffing under the water doesn't really imply that all of her remains were tossed into the water, it just means that a piece (sorry...so horrible) of the remains had made contact at that spot.

Are you saying you believe that her whole dismembered remains were just tossed into that small stream, and then flushed out into the ocean?
How are you accounting for the fact that certain parts of the body would sink to the bottom but nothing was found? And anything floating out to the ocean from that stream would get tossed around on the shoreline by the crashing waves. And what about the masking tape/large zip ties?

 

[PeterTosh]

Streams can move massive boulders.

http://khon2.com/2016/09/14/iao-valley-suffers-major-damage-from-storm-flooding-homes/

Run out digs a trench and deeper water where waves dont break.


A shark's primary sense is a keen sense of smell. It can detect one drop of blood in a million drops of water (25 gallons or 100 liters) and can smell blood 0.25 mile (0.4 km) away. Its paired nostrils are on the underside of its snout.

 

[Napili]

Yes. But its not where Steven said his car was dead. That was a few more miles up towards Hana

Thanks. I should shave been more clear. I was speaking of a turn out shown on Google earth as I "drove" along the highway from Paraquats. I could not grab a picture...wasn't thinking of anything Steven said. Just trying to find a convenient shark-feeding spot.

 

[MakaniKitty]

Streams can move massive boulders.

http://khon2.com/2016/09/14/iao-valley-suffers-major-damage-from-storm-flooding-homes/

Run out digs a trench and deeper water where waves dont break.


A shark's primary sense is a keen sense of smell. It can detect one drop of blood in a million drops of water (25 gallons or 100 liters) and can smell blood 0.25 mile (0.4 km) away. Its paired nostrils are on the underside of its snout.

Does anyone know how big/strong the stream at Paraquats is? I know it will fluctuate depending on rainfall...I have a hard time imagining all of the body parts would be carried by the stream to the ocean. Surely something would get snagged on a rock, or pooled in an eddy? The rolls of tape and the blanket didn't even make it to the ocean.

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[RunDaSurf]

He murdered Sunday night and left body out over night. He went back Monday and wrapped in a blanket. He went back Tuesday maybe two times (with Brooke and then later at night.) By then he's been questioned by the family and police and thought of himself as prime suspect. I can't picture him driving body anywhere at that point even in small amounts but maybe that is just me. If first he was thinking just leave body there and then later decided he needed to hide it, and needed to dismember to move it, the ocean or deeper into the jungle seem like the answer.
Insane to think he might drive Tuesday night even Hana highway middle of night with any of her body in his vehicle. Everyone was looking for her by then and suspicious of him.
Jawbone defleshed with a serrated blade and jawbone broken in two is that an example of what he did to all of body? He sat there carving flesh off bone and then chopped up bones? And scattered flesh where and hid bones where?

 

[Kapua]

But Kapua, since the found evidence already indicated that both of those areas (under the tree & the streambed) were areas that the crime had occurred, the dog sniffing under the water doesn't really imply that all of her remains were tossed into the water, it just means that a piece (sorry...so horrible) of the remains had made contact at that spot.

Are you saying you believe that her whole dismembered remains were just tossed into that small stream, and then flushed out into the ocean?
How are you accounting for the fact that certain parts of the body would sink to the bottom but nothing was found? And anything floating out to the ocean from that stream would get tossed around on the shoreline by the crashing waves. And what about the masking tape/large zip ties?

Yes, I am saying that, IMHO, it is possible that all of the remains were tossed into the stream which flushed them out to the ocean. I am not saying that this is the only possibility.

How do I account for parts (sorry) sinking to the bottom and not being found?

1. This area has a rocky shore as opposed to a flat, sandy beach.
2. The tide may have been going out as opposed to coming in.
3. I remember hearing that this is a dangerous place to dive and I know that the first priority of the search teams was/is the safety of the searchers.
4. (Graphic, sorry) Considering that only a fragment of one of Charli's large bones was found, I'm thinking that the remains were cut into smaller pieces. (Sorry) So they would tend to be carried along by the tides rather than sink.
5. Crashing waves would break the small parts (bones) into smaller pieces that look like rock, sand, and shell remnants.
6. (Graphic, sorry) Sharks and other types of fish would feed on the remains.

He may have used the masking tape to wrap her up temporarily Sunday night. He may have used the zip ties to subdue her in the car somewhere between Haiku and Nua'ailua.

I'm the only one who thinks that the Mace is important. Yet few of you think that she went willingly to Nua'ailua. I think he could have sprayed her with the Mace and then zip-tied her hands and feet. Again, I am not saying that this is the only possibility. I'm just trying to make sense of all of the evidence.

 

[heartgoesout]

He murdered Sunday night and left body out over night. He went back Monday and wrapped in a blanket. He went back Tuesday maybe two times (with Brooke and then later at night.) By then he's been questioned by the family and police and thought of himself as prime suspect. I can't picture him driving body anywhere at that point even in small amounts but maybe that is just me. If first he was thinking just leave body there and then later decided he needed to hide it, and needed to dismember to move it, the ocean or deeper into the jungle seem like the answer.
Insane to think he might drive Tuesday night even Hana highway middle of night with any of her body in his vehicle. Everyone was looking for her by then and suspicious of him.
Jawbone defleshed with a serrated blade and jawbone broken in two is that an example of what he did to all of body? He sat there carving flesh off bone and then chopped up bones? And scattered flesh where and hid bones where?

I'm losing my bearings. I thought he wrapped her up Sunday night in the blanket?

 

[Mamamerced]

He murdered Sunday night and left body out over night. He went back Monday and wrapped in a blanket. He went back Tuesday maybe two times (with Brooke and then later at night.) By then he's been questioned by the family and police and thought of himself as prime suspect. I can't picture him driving body anywhere at that point even in small amounts but maybe that is just me. If first he was thinking just leave body there and then later decided he needed to hide it, and needed to dismember to move it, the ocean or deeper into the jungle seem like the answer.
Insane to think he might drive Tuesday night even Hana highway middle of night with any of her body in his vehicle. Everyone was looking for her by then and suspicious of him.
Jawbone defleshed with a serrated blade and jawbone broken in two is that an example of what he did to all of body? He sat there carving flesh off bone and then chopped up bones? And scattered flesh where and hid bones where?

It sounds sound insane, I agree, but then everything SC did regarding the murders sounds insane to most of us.

 

[Kapua]

Live stream for today. Evidence Specialist Earles is still on the stand under cross-examination. Rivera hurt his back and cannot stand up. They are going to adjourn for the day following this witness so that Rivera can go to the doctor.