GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #6

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So what is under the bridge if you are looking up from underneath it? Is it all dense foliage? How high is the bridge from ground level?
I'm can only picture Pennsylvania-like bridges which I realize is a whole other thing and I'm trying to envision.
I don't think anything was thrown off that bridge either. I'm just trying to get a visual. It may not even be relevant.
Which bridge does Brooke call Charli's bridge? This one above Nua'ailua right?

The bridges can range from only a few feet above a stream to towering high above a stream. There are so many bridges out there. I don't know about Nua'ailua specifically.

Anyway, here's another picture of Nua'ailua/Paraquats, a view taken from the final part of the video HGO posted:
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I can only say my opinion has always been no way that stream, even at its fastest, would carry anything far enough to reach the ocean at the depths needed. Even more so now watching the video. But that is based on the pictures. Not true life being there.
So why? Why dismember? He thought Nua'ailua was a good concealed spot. He could have buried her there, but no, he dismembered.
Why? Why was that necessary?
To transport. It would be easier to transport. That's my only explanation.
 
Maybe human parts would float? But dang even if, thats still very very risky and how likely everything would wash way out in the ocean?
 
I can only say my opinion has always been no way that stream, even at its fastest, would carry anything far enough to reach the ocean at the depths needed. Even more so now watching the video. But that is based on the pictures. Not true life being there.
So why? Why dismember? He thought Nua'ailua was a good concealed spot. He could have buried her there, but no, he dismembered.
Why? Why was that necessary?
To transport. It would be easier to transport. That's my only explanation.

I haven't seen the stream in action, and I'm not sure that the pictures tell the story of that night. Like you say, being there would give you a better sense of its speed.

Nua'ailua is a secluded place where he could do his dirty work and have a good chance of not being caught. After 5, any surfers or fisherman would have packed it up and left the area.

Why dismember? One of the officers said that they were looking for a body at first and when they found what they found, they realized that they needed to look for smaller body parts. Ultimately, that's why, regardless of where you or I think she could be.
 
Why dismember?
1. To make the body less cumbersome to carry
2. To make it easy for an animal to eat it (sharks/fish or pigs)
3. To make the remains not easy to identify as human
4.. Revenge

The other thing I have a problem with about the remains being in the ocean is that Keanae is RIGHT THERE, and the cliffs there are low. That would be very risky, the remains could've easily floated over there.

Here's one more pic of Nua'ailua:
nua'ailua valley haleakala.jpg
 
I don't think any remains were deliberately left near the bridge or any bridge along Hana Hwy. It's a primary tourist destination on the island, and people like to get out and explore the waterfalls/valleys/greenery. Plus the smell would waft right up to Hana Hwy if it was tossed off a bridge.
But the smell did waft up to Hana Highway. That's what I've been saying over and over. The smell caused people to pull over and check it out, including Kyle Knight.
 
But the smell did waft up to Hana Highway. That's what I've been saying over and over. The smell caused people to pull over and check it out, including Kyle Knight.

That was on Wednesday when the body (or remnants of it) would have still been down at the crime scene, the smell wafting up the valley. By Thursday when Phaedra/Max/Molly went there, the remains were gone.
It may have been the strong smell itself that caused Steven to decide to remove the remains.
 
I do not think he went to Hana to get gas, although of course I can't know. Nua'ailua is before the halfway to Hana mark. I think Kahalui is closer than Hana, at any rate an easier drive, and the gas in Kahalui is a sure thing -- whereas the station in Hana is closed. I do not know if there is gas at that time in Paia, but that would be even closer (but maybe not where he wishes to be). I personally think he had enough gas from fuel containers. Hana is .. far away, farther than he thinks they will look, specifically past Hana is far.

My idea is still maybe the first thing he did was to decapitate her, which is why the the jaw injuries were perimortem. Dr. Taylor said the jaw scraping would be consistent with an attempt to sever her head.

Say that was all he had time to do, and he drove that part of her to Hana and past, possibly near Waioka Pond, which is by Hana Ranch (the hair). Something symbolic resonating with those song lyrics. All on Sunday, while the rest of her was hidden at Nua'ailua. And then he burned her car.

Monday he did more cutting up, and wrapped her up. Tue night/Wed am he finished and as noted it was way too risky to go far. I think he quite possibly did throw her in bits off the bridge into the jungle, scattered. There were three reports of the stench out there.
1) Kyle on Wed afternoon, from Hana Highway, and others same place. Not noticed on Tuesday, not until Wednesday.
2) Max on Thursday, smelled the rotting up the stream towards the bridge and the highway.
The others smelled decomp at the two scenes found by Phaedra, Max, and Molly, the active crime scenes.

What I envision with the blanket is that he unwrapped it in the dark on Tuesday/Wed., and put the pieces into a different kind of containment such as bags that could be moved more easily. Then he took the gross blanket to the stream and left it and his soiled clothes and maybe rinsed off in the stream. Clean clothes. Then went back to the tree area and took the bags to his truck, where he drove to one or more cliff areas such as Charli's bridge and possibly the one where the drag marks were seen on Thursday (IIRC the right day). Then dropped off his jeans and the zip ties on his way home, which were found a day later.
 
That was on Wednesday when the body (or remnants of it) would have still been down at the crime scene, the smell wafting up the valley. By Thursday when Phaedra/Max/Molly went there, the remains were gone.
It may have been the strong smell itself that caused Steven to decide to remove the remains.
I don't think the smell would waft that far. I think it was closer.

On Thursday, the remains were no longer at the tree or the stream, but Max smelled them when he walked UP river towards the bridge. The baby pig carcass was not the source, but it fooled him into stopping his search, plus it was nearly dark. (Spec)
 
HGO: Thank you for the video. It's so helpful--perfect!
Thanks everyone for thoughtful & careful input!
I'll try to comment on this topic--my 2¢-- which I hope will help us to zero in a little closer...

1) Seeing the video, I'm more intrigued by the 2nd cliff side, than the stream for disposal... It's so close to the crime scene, right next to the road, and extremely steep. Yes, as the drone showed us, the bottom is rocky, but, the tide comes in, as you can see by the foliage line, up several feet. So, we can possibly factor in surf and chop, and some depth and current action. So, I think something could very easily be disposed there, given a high tide and winter surf. (Not to rule out other possibilities, of course)

2) Monday evening & night, when he had more time, before the decomp. was too bad, he could have carried away several bags and dumped them over the side into the sea below. So, ( I'm sorry ) there is less left to cover after each visit. Tuesday night...Wednesday night. Finis

3) There's no reason to assume that he would have disposed of the remains in the same way each visit. Similarly, he may have tried something and moved on to something that worked better.

...The image of that red hair caught in the fence at Hana haunts me...may it not be hers.
The hair was found by her step sister who had lived with Charli. I think she knew Charli's hair when she saw it.
 
These streams are hugely variable. Not just variable. They can be ankle to knee deep and placid and then a wall of brown water comes rushing down the mountain. As I said, I have owned part of two streams very similar, close to the ocean, and they could change in five minutes or less to something unrecognizable, from burbling stream to deafening roar. There are a few streams in Hawai'i known for suddenly rising and drowning hikers who crossed the stream easily on the way out, then the rain started, and boom, the stream is washing people away.

One is the Hanakapiai stream on the first part of Kauai's Kalalau Trail.

I seem to remember the surf was very high that week, making it unlikely to head out on a board or in a small boat.

I think it was Goff who said the precipitation during the maggot growth time was minimal. A dry period.
the stream was not raging on Thursday. Phaedra slipped in, and she wasn't in danger of being swept away. So while this stream is probably capable of whooshing remains away, it probably wasn't "performing" just at that time, or the blanket and clothes may never have been found.
 
The hair was found by her step sister who had lived with Charli. I think she knew Charli's hair when she saw it.

Just to say--I completely missed your post #828, above...my reason for deleting mine. :facepalm:

What you say is spot on, I think! Thank you for doing the heavy lifting. The pieces are coming together.
 
I do not think he went to Hana to get gas, although of course I can't know. Nua'ailua is before the halfway to Hana mark. I think Kahalui is closer than Hana, at any rate an easier drive, and the gas in Kahalui is a sure thing -- whereas the station in Hana is closed. I do not know if there is gas at that time in Paia, but that would be even closer (but maybe not where he wishes to be). I personally think he had enough gas from fuel containers. Hana is .. far away, farther than he thinks they will look, specifically past Hana is far.

Yet I didnt know the Hana Gas Station was 100% closed and maybe he didnt either or want to be seen getting gas in her SUV in Paia or Makawao. Sooo...he wasnt exactly thinking straight..He had to do something with her wheels...but regardless...Hana is still very far. Maybe he just needed to drive and think about what had just happened and headed southeast. Away from everything....before you know it he was back in Haiku.
 
A few of us went to Paraquats today. Here's our pics.

Some info on the terrain as of today. It is extremely rocky walking the trail towards the ocean. The dirt and gravel path from the highway is muddy and your feet sink quickly if you stand too long in one place. To the left and right of the trail is thick vegetation, the entire way down to the ocean. The dirt and gravel path turns into a treacherous trail with sharp and jagged rocks, at the landmarked "refrigerator". It's clear that the sharp boulders are from the recent rains and landslides on September 12. Despite this, we did continue to the ocean and found recent tire tracks in the mud. It would take a heavy duty 4wd with monster truck tires to navigate that path, that's for sure.

Before you reach the ocean, the trees clear and you're in a small, green and grassy meadow. The grasses are 5-7ft high easily. Looking down at your own feet is tough to do. The shoreline is littered with rolled stones of all sizes. It was dangerous and difficult to walk on the rocks because they are like marbles, rolling around under your feet.

The stream has a shallow, clear pool that lets out into the rocky shoreline. Today the water was moving pretty good. The waves crashing onto the shore are large and it would be impossible to launch a boat from there at any time. No body could have been deposited in that stream for disposal. The rocks are too large. However the vegetation growing up the cliff walls is thick with trees and bushes. A body rolled off of the side from the highway might stay lodged sometime before being discovered.

After being down there in person, I honestly believe SC left that CD as a marker, like Pua said. You need something! I also now think Charli was dismembered for ease of transport. It is too hard to walk something heavy down there. The rocks prevented sure footing. One of us ventured down the crime scene path and instantly got lost! Despite being 6 ft tall, we could not see his head among the vegetation and grasses. Dragging a body bound in a blanket would have left a trail. If he carried her, it was on his shoulder and his weapon was his belt knife. You definitely needed to be hands free to grab onto trees and rocks.

I think SC chose the final crime scene location because Charli's truck couldn't travel any further down the gravel path. A truck would mire down if you weren't careful. He totally planned her murder. Picking Paraquats was not random.

We spent some time at the reflective pool, thinking of Charli, missing her, reminding Baby J that he's loved and missed. It's a beautiful spot marred by an evil crime.

Almost forgot to add that when we first started on the dirt and gravel path, an abandoned boat was on fire! The boat was full of dirty rain water so the fire was easy to extinguish but still! It definitely put me on alert.
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I know, me too! The picture of that one little tree with the cut marks is not helping me get a picture of the overall crime scene.

I wish all of us were on Maui together and we could go out as a group and get answers to some of these questions we have. Like I would want to go talk to that Hana police officer who investigated the red hair on the fence and find out exactly where it was found, then maybe we could figure out where it blew there from based on wind patterns.

I live on Maui and am really wanting to take a road trip to check these places out. I've been to Jaws many times, so no need to go there, but I'd like to explore the rest so I can get a better image of it all. At the same time I'm a little afraid to go out there. I think I would immediately start crying.
 
Loio, wow. Thank you for the pics. Beautiful. They help give a visual for sure.
 
I don't think the smell would waft that far. I think it was closer.

On Thursday, the remains were no longer at the tree or the stream, but Max smelled them when he walked UP river towards the bridge. The baby pig carcass was not the source, but it fooled him into stopping his search, plus it was nearly dark. (Spec)

I think "waft" is the wrong word. What I'm envisioning is the rotting smell blowing on the wind up into the valley. A 180 lb rotting corpse would stink up the area horribly, the crime scene is in a valley which gets steeper as it moves inland, the wind blows in from the ocean and blows the rotting smell up the valley to the Highway and beyond. The remains need not have been scattered beneath the bridge for a strong stench to permeate the valley near Hana Hwy.

FWIW, I'm skeptical of the Google scale on that overview pic I posted, which showed increments of 200 ft. and so I calculated the bridge being 1000 feet inland based on that.
In seeing images of the valley and highway, it looks like the bridge might be maybe about 500 feet or so in, rather than 1000 feet. JMO....
 
A few of us went to Paraquats today. Here's our pics.

Loio,
Thank you so much for those pics & report!
Just a heads up: Your pics 102202, 102203, & 102205 did not get uploaded properly in your 2nd post, so you may wish to retry posting those. I'd love to see em. :-)

I have some questions, if you don't mind:

-So if I understand correctly, you're saying that in Charli's 4-Runner, he would NOT have been able to make it all the way down the dirt road, so he stopped in the road and removed Charli and walked through the jungle toward the creek to a spot of his choosing (the crime spot). You're saying him choosing that spot was dictated by his need to stop Charli's 4-Runner in the middle of the rough dirt road at some point? So in your mind, he did not park down by the bay on Sunday night because Charli's 4-Runner could not have made it there?

-Did anyone explore inland and identify the crime scene area?

-Is there any type of memorial established for Charli & Joshua, like you sometimes see roadside shrines for people who've died in ar accidents...Anything like that there?

(The boat being on fire is *so* weird.)

Thanks again
 
My idea is still maybe the first thing he did was to decapitate her, which is why the the jaw injuries were perimortem. Dr. Taylor said the jaw scraping would be consistent with an attempt to sever her head.

Say that was all he had time to do, and he drove that part of her to Hana and past, possibly near Waioka Pond, which is by Hana Ranch (the hair). Something symbolic resonating with those song lyrics. All on Sunday, while the rest of her was hidden at Nua'ailua. And then he burned her car.

I don't believe he would have taken her head and deposited it somewhere else on Sunday night, because there were clumps of hair at the Nua'ailua crime scene that Dr. Harle said were consistent with skin slippage from advanced decomposition....which places her possibly-decapitated head (sorry...) still out at the crime scene days after Sunday.

I'm also becoming skeptical that he cut her into very small bits if, as Loio suggests, he dismembered her for easier transport through difficult terrain. The very small piece of long bone might have been an aberration, like a resultant chipping off from hacking with a machete/axe, and that's why he missed it that piece - because he was focused on removing the larger pieces he'd made of her.

I have a question: does anyone know if a strong hack of a machete can slice cleanly through a bone?
 
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