GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #6

[RunDaSurf]

from testimony about maggots first egg event means he didn't wrap until after that on Monday

 

[MakaniKitty]

He murdered Sunday night and left body out over night. He went back Monday and wrapped in a blanket. He went back Tuesday maybe two times (with Brooke and then later at night.) By then he's been questioned by the family and police and thought of himself as prime suspect. I can't picture him driving body anywhere at that point even in small amounts but maybe that is just me. If first he was thinking just leave body there and then later decided he needed to hide it, and needed to dismember to move it, the ocean or deeper into the jungle seem like the answer.
Insane to think he might drive Tuesday night even Hana highway middle of night with any of her body in his vehicle. Everyone was looking for her by then and suspicious of him.
Jawbone defleshed with a serrated blade and jawbone broken in two is that an example of what he did to all of body? He sat there carving flesh off bone and then chopped up bones? And scattered flesh where and hid bones where?

My thoughts exactly! Everyone was combing the Hana Hwy looking for Charli; I can't imagine he'd take the risk of driving around with her body parts in the car, at least not during the daytime. Throwing everything in the stream...surely something would've been caught up on a branch or rock, the cadaver dogs would've picked it up?

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[Moxie_McTavish]

Yes, I am saying that, IMHO, it is possible that all of the remains were tossed into the stream which flushed them out to the ocean. I am not saying that this is the only possibility.

How do I account for parts (sorry) sinking to the bottom and not being found?

1. This area has a rocky shore as opposed to a flat, sandy beach.
2. The tide may have been going out as opposed to coming in.
3. I remember hearing that this is a dangerous place to dive and I know that the first priority of the search teams was/is the safety of the searchers.
4. (Graphic, sorry) Considering that only a fragment of one of Charli's large bones was found, I'm thinking that the remains were cut into smaller pieces. (Sorry) So they would tend to be carried along by the tides rather than sink.
5. Crashing waves would break the small parts (bones) into smaller pieces that look like rock, sand, and shell remnants.
6. (Graphic, sorry) Sharks and other types of fish would feed on the remains.

He may have used the masking tape to wrap her up temporarily Sunday night. He may have used the zip ties to subdue her in the car somewhere between Haiku and Nua'ailua.

I'm the only one who thinks that the Mace is important. Yet few of you think that she went willingly to Nua'ailua. I think he could have sprayed her with the Mace and then zip-tied her hands and feet. Again, I am not saying that this is the only possibility. I'm just trying to make sense of all of the evidence.

Thanks, Kapua. I appreciate you laying it all out like this, and it sounds possible to me.

My only objections would be:

-I don't think mace would really incapacitate Charli - if anything, the intense pain combined with terror would make her freak out even more in a frenzy. I doubt he could just mace her and zip-tie her. I think there needs to be some violence there to knock her out cold. :-(

-I'm with MakaniKitty that some clothes items & the masking tape, etc. were found partially submerged in the stream, so if the stream couldn't carry those items away, how could it thoroughly carry away pieces of a body? I question how "raging" this stream was during the relevant dates. Someone could go back and try to find info on rainfall at Keanae during that time period. I think something was said about the stream just being puddles around the time of the investigation.

-There's the issue of Steven being seen out Hana Hwy, and the tuft of red hair found on a fence at Hana Ranch. I don't think he would've driven down to Hana to see about buying gas, because he was clearly able to return back home to Haiku on the gas he had.

Thank you for the food for thought. I actually want to embrace your ocean explanation, because I do think Steven is pretty dumb and would not have gotten too complicated in his disposal methods.

 

[Kapua]

Thanks, Kapua. I appreciate you laying it all out like this, and it sounds possible to me.

My only objections would be:

-I don't think mace would really incapacitate Charli - if anything, the intense pain combined with terror would make her freak out even more in a frenzy. I doubt he could just mace her and zip-tie her. I think there needs to be some violence there to knock her out cold. :-(

-I'm with MakaniKitty that some clothes items & the masking tape, etc. were found partially submerged in the stream, so if the stream couldn't carry those items away, how could it thoroughly carry away pieces of a body? I question how "raging" this stream was during the relevant dates. Someone could go back and try to find info on rainfall at Keanae during that time period. I think something was said about the stream just being puddles around the time of the investigation.

-There's the issue of Steven being seen out Hana Hwy, and the tuft of red hair found on a fence at Hana Ranch. I don't think he would've driven down to Hana to see about buying gas, because he was clearly able to return back home to Haiku on the gas he had.

Thank you for the food for thought. I actually want to embrace your ocean explanation, because I do think Steven is pretty dumb and would not have gotten too complicated in his disposal methods.

I don't think the Mace would incapacitate her either, but it would give him the advantage. He had two "abrasions" on his hands - maybe from a knockout punch?

We currently know of two sites where evidence was found - near the tree with cuts on it, and near/partially in the stream. To me, that indicates that she was dismembered (sorry) near the tree and disposed of near the stream. It could also indicate that he went to the stream to clean up a bit. How stupid of him to leave the blanket and the clothes behind.

The cadaver dogs only alerted to those two sites, and they were taken all around the Nua'ailua bay area. This leads me to believe that Charli and Joshua were not buried in that area. If they had been, the dogs would have shown the way to the burial location.

I keep asking how deep and how fast is that stream? If it's not fast enough, maybe SC used a surfboard or boogie board to get a little farther out into the ocean. Dogs usually cannot detect scent in water. But Pohaku was trying! Good dog!

I think his disposal method was complicated enough but very poorly executed. He didn't think anyone would be looking at/near Nua'ailua Bay, so he was sloppy.

 

[heartgoesout]

"some clothes items & the masking tape, etc. were found partially submerged in the stream" Kapua and Mox

I must be getting old, I don't not remember tape or clothing being partially submerged? The blanket was partially in the stream, but the clothes? tape?

 

[Kapua]

"some clothes items & the masking tape, etc. were found partially submerged in the stream" Kapua and Mox

I must be getting old, I don't not remember tape or clothing being partially submerged? The blanket was partially in the stream, but the clothes? tape?

It's been a L O N G trial, HGO. I do not remember everything, either.

According to Max Jones' testimony courtesy of Maui Now:

Jones said he first saw a blanket that was covered in maggots. He said the “little white worms” covered the blanket and it “smelled like rotting flesh.” When asked to further describe the odor he said it was pungent and “makes you want to vomit.”

The blanket, he said, was a “little bit submerged” in the river and was hanging on the rock with the “bushes holding it from being swept downstream.”

When he showed it to Phaedra, he said she was “distraught” and started crying.

Jones testified that about 25 feet down the river, he observed two rolls of masking tape, one that was almost full, and one that was almost gone. He also described finding a grey jacket and a pair of pants by the river.

http://mauinow.com/2016/07/21/capobianco-murder-trial-day-14-evidence-handed-over-to-police/

 

[heartgoesout]

yes, it is A LOT of information!
So I'm taking that the tape and clothes were not "a little" bit submerged, only the blanket?

 

[Kapua]

yes, it is A LOT of information!
So I'm taking that the tape and clothes were not "a little" bit submerged, only the blanket?

In my notes, I have the rolls of tape caught between rocks in the river, but I have not yet found the source for that. I think it was in Phaedra's live testimony. Not sure about the clothes (hoodie and jeans) so let's say "by the river" means close to the river and not submerged.

 

[heartgoesout]

http://mauinow.com/files/2015/03/honomanu-1.jpg

ok, I need help! The above link is the image I've had in my head of Parquats / Nua'ailua Bay, but in fact I just saw this is actually a picture of a search at Honomanu Bay?
I am not able to visualize a stream strong enough to carry anything out with it based on this picture. But it's not Paraquats / Nua'ailua Bay anyway.

Now please take a look at this video. (It is amazing!) Taken from a drone I suspect. This is Nua'ailua Bay??? with Honomanu in the foreground?

[video=youtube;d86UgPH-cIw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d86UgPH-cIw[/video]

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

yes, it is A LOT of information!
So I'm taking that the tape and clothes were not "a little" bit submerged, only the blanket?

I think Det. Earles stated on the stand that they were taken from a puddle in between rocks, IIRC. Not sure if that puddle would have been from rainwater or left from the receding of the stream. Then he bagged them, took them back to the lab and dried them out because they were soaking wet. Then he used magnetic powder on the tape rolls to try to get fingerprints but I don't think he was able to.


And HGO, yes that video appears to be Nua'ailua Bay. The stream looks like a small stream. The water-level varies with the amt. of rainfall up on the side of Haleakala. Just not sure if it ever turns into a really significant torrent. Great find!

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

I don't think the Mace would incapacitate her either, but it would give him the advantage. He had two "abrasions" on his hands - maybe from a knockout punch?

We currently know of two sites where evidence was found - near the tree with cuts on it, and near/partially in the stream. To me, that indicates that she was dismembered (sorry) near the tree and disposed of near the stream. It could also indicate that he went to the stream to clean up a bit. How stupid of him to leave the blanket and the clothes behind.

The cadaver dogs only alerted to those two sites, and they were taken all around the Nua'ailua bay area. This leads me to believe that Charli and Joshua were not buried in that area. If they had been, the dogs would have shown the way to the burial location.

I keep asking how deep and how fast is that stream? If it's not fast enough, maybe SC used a surfboard or boogie board to get a little farther out into the ocean. Dogs usually cannot detect scent in water. But Pohaku was trying! Good dog!

I think his disposal method was complicated enough but very poorly executed. He didn't think anyone would be looking at/near Nua'ailua Bay, so he was sloppy.

No, I don't believe they are buried at Nua'ailua either. I think it would be impossible there because of the jungle roots.

So then maybe the zip ties were used to bind Charli initially on Sunday night, maybe the tape was used to secure the blanket to nearby rocks and tree trunks, and maybe he disposed of the remains in Nua'ailua Bay....I'm not sure I can accept that he disposed of her remains in the stream yet, but I can more easily accept that he put her remains - maybe in increments over the course of several nights - out into the bay.

Kapua, what do you make of Steven being seen in Hana on Sunday, and the tuft of red hair found on the barbed-wire fence at Hana Ranch?

 

[heartgoesout]

ok, I was envisioning partly submerged like the (tape rolls) were caught in a deep moving stream.
The blanket I envisioned as being caught as described on a tree in a deep moving stream. Not sure if that's right. Wish we had pictures of that actual area.
I also pictured the bridge to be closer to the beach but now I'm thinking away from the beach and high up?

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

ok, I was envisioning partly submerged like the (tape rolls) were caught in a deep moving stream.
The blanket I envisioned as being caught as described on a tree in a deep moving stream. Not sure if that's right. Wish we had pictures of that actual area.
I also pictured the bridge to be closer to the beach but now I'm thinking away from the beach and high up?

I know, me too! The picture of that one little tree with the cut marks is not helping me get a picture of the overall crime scene.

I wish all of us were on Maui together and we could go out as a group and get answers to some of these questions we have. Like I would want to go talk to that Hana police officer who investigated the red hair on the fence and find out exactly where it was found, then maybe we could figure out where it blew there from based on wind patterns.

 

[julieonmaui]

I wish I was on island right now. I'd love to go video the area. I'm going to reach out and see if anyone would go check out the scene.

 

[heartgoesout]

ok, the video is of Nua'ailua Bay I'm just not picturing any thing from that stream to be washed out to the ocean. Even if it was a good running stream that day? How close to the actual ocean was the tree that was cut?
And to throw anything off the road above would end up on the rocky land below. At least in that area. I have to try to find a good visual of the bridge thats talked about.

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

Here is the satellite image of Nua'ailua. The bridge is located 1000 feet inland from the ocean.

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

And to throw anything off the road above would end up on the rocky land below. At least in that area. I have to try to find a good visual of the bridge thats talked about.

I don't think any remains were deliberately left near the bridge or any bridge along Hana Hwy. It's a primary tourist destination on the island, and people like to get out and explore the waterfalls/valleys/greenery. Plus the smell would waft right up to Hana Hwy if it was tossed off a bridge.

 

[heartgoesout]

A football field including end zones is 360 ft. for reference.

 

[heartgoesout]

So what is under the bridge if you are looking up from underneath it? Is it all dense foliage? How high is the bridge from ground level?
I'm can only picture Pennsylvania-like bridges which I realize is a whole other thing and I'm trying to envision.
I don't think anything was thrown off that bridge either. I'm just trying to get a visual. It may not even be relevant.
Which bridge does Brooke call Charli's bridge? This one above Nua'ailua right?

 

[Kapua]

No, I don't believe they are buried at Nua'ailua either. I think it would be impossible there because of the jungle roots.

So then maybe the zip ties were used to bind Charli initially on Sunday night, maybe the tape was used to secure the blanket to nearby rocks and tree trunks, and maybe he disposed of the remains in Nua'ailua Bay....I'm not sure I can accept that he disposed of her remains in the stream yet, but I can more easily accept that he put her remains - maybe in increments over the course of several nights - out into the bay.

Kapua, what do you make of Steven being seen in Hana on Sunday, and the tuft of red hair found on the barbed-wire fence at Hana Ranch?

Thanks, HGO, for the pictures. That is a pretty wimpy-looking stream.

I'm going with ocean then, but not by way of the stream. The dog may have been interested in that area due to the blanket.

I think SC went to Hana for gas. There's more than one way to get gas, even if that one gas station was closed. I once had a neighbor whose teenage kids used to siphon my gas - and I had a locking gas cap. I still don't know how they did it. I have no opinion about the tuft of red hair on the barbed-wire fence until the DNA results come back.