GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #6

[Kapua]

Ah, finally, the officer who found the rubber slippers testifies.

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

To achieve the "chumming" effect, only the bloody clothes would be necessary. Your notion of luring predators to the area w/the scent of blood seems reasonable. But, I don't see him hauling the body around too much. Could have been hauled down, tied, floated to wash off & then hauled back. (If they weren't burns, this could be how he injured his hands) Too big a job to repeat, though, for a wimp.

Maybe this is when the thought of cutting it up was born...(sorry) it's difficult to picture the site, although I was on the island that February. What was the stream, current, tides and wind doing those nights? The tides are key. A high tide could make an otherwise difficult job easy. The two waters would merge and the seawater could even flow up into the stream quite a ways...even without a lot of swelling from rainwater.

Yet, Sunday night, there's still such a short time to do anything! Pesky! Too much. Too much! Unless, he went back there after talking to Cassie & was up all night...?

We have to remember that he's pretty dumb. His actions don't indicate a strong grasp of cause/effect, so I'm doubtful that he was intending to chum the bay for a later deposit of body parts, although he might have understood that he'd inadvertently done just that if he'd placed her freshly killed body in the stream, maybe inside the blanket, maybe held down by a few rocks.

I'm just trying to think of a way those textiles got so clean of blood! I don't picture him taking them off Charli and washing them at the stream like some tribeswoman in the Amazonian jungle. It seems to me like they most likely were washed clean while they were still on Charli.

But who knows...

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

I also didn't have that response to the fanny pack deal. I listened to Earl's testimony on that. He never said the fanny pack looked recently buried. The opposite was my impression, something that had been there for some time accruing a soil cover naturally. And Apo is just yapping and trying to make it sound like a piece of evidence.

We're talking only five days after her disappearance. Earls has been doing this awhile. It's not hard for even me to tell something older in the jungle from something new, and I would rate myself as fairly unobservant, unlike the MPD crew.

I think it's easy to cofuse "filthy" with "old." We're talking 10 or 20 seconds to just pull it out and unzip it - just to make sure it's truly nothing at all. I'm baffled why someone wouldn't do that - just to be certain. And for the record, I doubt it was anything related to the case, but I'd definitely want to make sure.

 

[Kapua]

Kalaukona Akana, former evidence custodian, is on the stand. She was evidence custodian from 2003 to 2014. She maintains the chain of custody. She explained that there is one key for each evidence locker, and there is a drop box that only the evidence custodians have access to. The evidence custodian checks the drop box for keys and opens the corresponding lockers. Packaging and vouchers are checked and input into the computer.

 

[MakaniKitty]

Sorry this is a graphic post. One possibility is that SC killed Charli by strangulation. That's bloodless. She didn't fight back because she was either knocked out by blunt force trauma (broken jaw) or restrained somehow. After she dies, SC wants to be sure she and the fetus are truly dead, or he just wants to be truly heinous, so he stabs her body in belly and chest. Since she's already dead, there's essentially no blood pressure in her vessels, so minimal bleeding occurs, and therefore we don't have blood all over the crime scene. When he comes back later to dismember her, the blood has mostly clotted in the vessels, and there's minimal bodily fluids spilling out. What eludes my understanding is how the blanket doesn't have ANY blood. Not even a drop? Not a trace anywhere? Stream water isn't going to wash ALL the blood away; think of how hard/impossible it is to remove blood stains from clothing at home when you're really working at it.

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[Kapua]

This is excruciating. Kyle Lee wss up next. Apparently, he is another evidence custodian. Apo objected numerous times, there were long sidebars. It was a very dry and boring day in court and if you didn't catch the live testimony, you didn't miss much, IMHO.

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

Sorry this is a graphic post. One possibility is that SC killed Charli by strangulation. That's bloodless. She didn't fight back because she was either knocked out by blunt force trauma (broken jaw) or restrained somehow. After she dies, SC wants to be sure she and the fetus are truly dead, or he just wants to be truly heinous, so he stabs her body in belly and chest. Since she's already dead, there's essentially no blood pressure in her vessels, so minimal bleeding occurs, and therefore we don't have blood all over the crime scene. When he comes back later to dismember her, the blood has mostly clotted in the vessels, and there's minimal bodily fluids spilling out. What eludes my understanding is how the blanket doesn't have ANY blood. Not even a drop? Not a trace anywhere? Stream water isn't going to wash ALL the blood away; think of how hard/impossible it is to remove blood stains from clothing at home when you're really working at it.

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Very interesting, MakaniKitty. You might be onto something with the strangulation idea being the actual cause of death.

Do we know for certain that there was zero blood on the blanket? Did they just do tape lifts to find that out? If so, then maybe water had removed the blood from the outer layers of the blanket, but the deeper layer was still permeated with blood? Because that blanket is stained with something, that's for sure (and it also had lots of linear holes in it). Could it really just be mud on there?

 

[Napili]

We have to remember that he's pretty dumb. His actions don't indicate a strong grasp of cause/effect, so I'm doubtful that he was intending to chum the bay for a later deposit of body parts, although he might have understood that he'd inadvertently done just that if he'd placed her freshly killed body in the stream, maybe inside the blanket, maybe held down by a few rocks.

I'm just trying to think of a way those textiles got so clean of blood! I don't picture him taking them off Charli and washing them at the stream like some tribeswoman in the Amazonian jungle. It seems to me like they most likely were washed clean while they were still on Charli.

But who knows...

Er...Moxie...did it sound like I was saying he was washing her clothes like a jungle tribeswoman? He took them off at some point and they were bloody. You surmised that they weren't as bloody as they might have been, so could have been rinsed in the stream. That's pretty simple...Lol!...I was trying on your theory for size. Must have shrunk.

 

[Moxie_McTavish]

Er...Moxie...did it sound like I was saying he was washing her clothes like a jungle tribeswoman? He took them off at some point and they were bloody. You surmised that they weren't as bloody as they might have been, so could have been rinsed in the stream. That's pretty simple...Lol!...I was trying on your theory for size. Must have shrunk.

Oops, sorry Napili! I didn't intend that post in a snooty way. The Amazon tribeswoman comment was just my poor attempt at humor. :-/
Wasn't trying to dismiss your well-thought out post at all, all the stuff you wrote about the logistics of chumming was very interesting & helpful!
But what you say is true: my theory had shrunk. It actually wasn't a full-blown theory, it was just an idea that formed and that I quickly dismissed i.e. about SC using blood in the stream to chum the waters of the bay. I just don't think he'd have put that much thought into it. Anyway, my sincere apologies if my reply came off as rude.

 

[Maisiebelle]

I wonder if SC asked Charli to come to the river with him to be intimate. The blanket could have been taken there so they would have something to lie on. It might never have been used in the crime. It was just there to make her believe that he intended on spending some time with her. It makes me sad to think this might be the case. That she thought he was genuinely going to be nice to her

 

[puakenikeni]

I am fairly sure I remember hearing that there was a LOT of Charli's blood in an article written of one of the DNA hearings. Either last fall or last January. Sorry I cannot look right now.

The he main problem I see with the blanket scenario is that now we know there was no path and no real clearing, so who wants to beat through the jungle at night? and she was tired. She did have a place in Makawao they could have gone to.
I would never walk through that kind of jungle in the dark voluntarily. Full of potential pokes in the eye from sticks and the creepy crawly centipedes out at that time.

 

[Mamamerced]

Apo was finally admonished by Cardoza for trying to insert his ear worms over the prosecution's sustained objections! He was very childish (whiney, slouchy and pouty) in his responses.

 

[puakenikeni]

Apo was finally admonished by Cardoza for trying to insert his ear worms over the prosecution's sustained objections! He was very childish (whiney, slouchy and pouty) in his responses.

Woohoo!
When where was this? Today's?
I missed yesterday other than the jury questions and am considering not bothering based on Kapua's comment.

 

[puakenikeni]

I just heard Earls answer a jury question on the fanny pack. He managed to say part of his answer before Apo objected, that the pack looked really old and degraded as if there for weeks.

 

[Maisiebelle]

Apo is thoroughly unprofessional! My baby grandson behaves better than he does!

 

[Mamamerced]

Woohoo!
When where was this? Today's?
I missed yesterday other than the jury questions and am considering not bothering based on Kapua's comment.

Yes, just before the lunch break. It's worth a watch, Pua. I don't know the female prosecutor's name, but she pinned Apo on his antics and Cardoza was peeved and firm with him.

 

[puakenikeni]

Yes, just before the lunch break. It's worth a watch, Pua. I don't know the female prosecutor's name, but she pinned Apo on his antics and Cardoza was peeved and firm with him.

I would watch it -- but I can't find the video. Maybe too new. ?

my live stream has been down every time I was able to check it, so I caught up a little with Earls.

 

[Maisiebelle]

I would watch it -- but I can't find the video. Maybe too new. ?

my live stream has been down every time I was able to check it, so I caught up a little with Earls.

It starts about 20 minutes in....



[video=youtube;nNU1RkLY3BM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNU1RkLY3BM[/video]

 

[Maisiebelle]

I wonder how the jury is reacting to this behaviour by Mr Apo. It screams of desperation to me. I would love to hear what they are thinking.

 

[puakenikeni]

Thanks Maisebelle and MamaM". Listening now.