HI HI - Hauula, 'Barnacle Bill' UP6909, 19-25, SCUBA suit bought In Tacoma, Nov'82

[madamx]

I came across this guy and thought maybe he could be BB

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/3876dmca.html

Michael Charles Causley
Missing since May 11, 1979 from Los Angeles County, California
Classification: Endangered Missing

Vital Statistics
Date Of Birth: June 22, 1962
Age at Time of Disappearance: 16 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'7"; 150 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White male. Brown hair; brown eyes.
Dentals: Not available
DNA: Available

Circumstances of Disappearance
Michael Causley was involved in a boating accident in the ocean between Redondo Beach and Catalina on May 11, 1979.

Namus link:

https://identifyus.org/cases/6909

He was found November 19, 1982.

Ruleouts:
Jan Jacob Blusse Van Oudalblas 1945 Alaska
Robert Chisum 1960 Oregon
Mark Michael Melanson 1958 Minnesota
Roy Rasmussen Unknown Washington
Michael Staab Unknown New York

Estimated age Adult - Pre 30
Minimum age 19 years
Maximum age 25 years
Race Unsure
Ethnicity
Sex Male
Weight (pounds) , Cannot Estimate
Height (inches) 69, Estimate

May have had brown hair and left arm amputated below the elbow, Namus indicates some soft tissue was present. There was evidence of injury to the right maxilla, most likely from past trauma. Had some fillings in his maxilla but most of the teeth were missing post mortem.

Red SCUBA-like suit with mittens, boots & hood; encrusted with marine crustaceans; label stated:
Exposure Suit

DNA is not available.

 

[DQN]

Hi Madame X, nice to see you here. Michael is a nice find as all your finds. However I just don't see a boater wearing a Dry suit in May in California.


These are the rule outs to date:

https://identifyus.org/cases/6909


Doug Andersen 3/13/1982 http://www.thediversassociation.com/index.php?/incidents/&page=13
Body Never Recovered Commerical Dive Accident Port Townsend, Washington
[FONT=&amp]American, aged 34. Had chartered the salvage barge “St Peter� out of Port Townsend and were inspecting a sunken oil barge off the West Whidbey Island for recoverable metal when Heavenor's air lines became entangled, Doug Anderson, acting as standby, entered the water to assist on SCUBA. Neither diver surfaced. Heavnor's body was recovered later by commercial divers from the tug “Constellation� which responded to distress calls.. Double fatality. Unclear if Anderson's body was ever recovered


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Douglas Dean Anderson
BIRTH: 4 Aug 1948 - Seattle, King County, Washington, United States of America
DEATH: 13 Mar 1982 - Washington, United States of America
LIVED IN SEATTLE, KING WASHINGTON

 

[DQN]

Douglas Dean Anderson

Birth:	Aug. 4, 1948 Seattle King County Washington, USA
Death:	Mar. 13, 1982 Washington, USA

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Son of Arnold and Velma Anderson.

Died in a underwater diving accident in Puget Sound when attempting to rescue another diver.
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Body lost at sea[/TD]

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[madamx]

Hola DQN!!... Hahah.. ok so here I go having another one of my Fresh Air Fund Kid Moments.. haha.. ok skip the Michale guy... But Your Douglas D Anderson sounds like a pretty good hit there.. and in 1982 also... That actually is a great find!!

Hi Madame X, nice to see you here. Michael is a nice find as all your finds. However I just don't see a boater wearing a Dry suit in May in California.


These are the rule outs to date:

https://identifyus.org/cases/6909


Doug Andersen 3/13/1982 http://www.thediversassociation.com/index.php?/incidents/&page=13
Body Never Recovered Commerical Dive Accident Port Townsend, Washington
[FONT=&]American, aged 34. Had chartered the salvage barge “St Peter� out of Port Townsend and were inspecting a sunken oil barge off the West Whidbey Island for recoverable metal when Heavenor's air lines became entangled, Doug Anderson, acting as standby, entered the water to assist on SCUBA. Neither diver surfaced. Heavnor's body was recovered later by commercial divers from the tug “Constellation� which responded to distress calls.. Double fatality. Unclear if Anderson's body was ever recovered


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Douglas Dean Anderson
BIRTH: 4 Aug 1948 - Seattle, King County, Washington, United States of America
DEATH: 13 Mar 1982 - Washington, United States of America
LIVED IN SEATTLE, KING WASHINGTON

 

[DQN]

Hola DQN!!... Hahah.. ok so here I go having another one of my Fresh Air Fund Kid Moments.. haha.. ok skip the Michale guy... But Your Douglas D Anderson sounds like a pretty good hit there.. and in 1982 also... That actually is a great find!!

I am trying to find living relatives in obituaries etc. The Barge they chartered St. Peter does not seem to exist anymore. I will have to search old newspapers for articles about the accident. If anyone on the board lives in the state of Washington in Seattle, King Washington. His 2nd marriage was to Clara Bray in the 70's. His parents were Arnold and Velma Anderson, I would say they had to be born in the 1920's. Did Douglas have siblings or children?

 

[Laughing]

DQN, thanks so very much for your knowledge!

I tried to check into Donald D. Anderson's family, my favorite genealogy website FamilySearch isn't working right now!

:seeya:

 

[DQN]

DQN, thanks so very much for your knowledge!

I tried to check into Donald D. Anderson's family, my favorite genealogy website FamilySearch isn't working right now!


:seeya:

Thank you Laughing, it's Douglas Dean Anderson. I did check Familysearch.org his death record is there, but doesn't give any details. He did have 2 children with his first wife Bonnie Lee Lewis, (I saw it in his divorce record) they married in 1966 divorced in 1978. However I can not locate any public obituaries for him, or his parents to find out his children's names. His second wife was Clara Bray married in 1979, he passed away in 1982. So do not know if they had any children. But will continue to search. I would send them a message about the diver that washed up in Hawaii and ask if they knew if he was wearing a red dry suit when he lost at sea.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

That does seem odd. I have no idea, but the military is one way to obtain such training. I did some research.

Though it is possible to enlist for four years at 18, then take the six month long and very demanding "entry" level army / navy salvage diving course, then leave the military at say age 23, I think it is unlikely. The advanced salvage course is for higher ranks and one would need about five years of service as a minimum and also be willing to re-enlist. This would make a military diver with advanced salvage training about 24 years old at a minimum and still have say, a five year service obligation. Any ideas DQN?

After I posted I did think about training in the military. Of course it's also possible that the estimation of his age was too low. If he was as old as 30 then that might change how we look at the problem.

Also, I seem to recall reading that his remains were cremated so there's no way of going back now and obtaining DNA or re-assessing his age or creating a facial reconstruction.

 

[DQN]

Regarding age estimate:

At the risk of being redundant here I go.

There was a missing woman in NYS, she was 47. Remains were found in Maryland estimated at 23-30 years old. Those remains were looked over for 8 years until the detectives on the case saw the artist sketch face of those remains. The detectives in NYS picked up the phone and called the Maryland authorities and sure enough it was her. That is almost a 20 year or more age difference. Don't ever let that be a determining factor in doing your matches if other circumstances are in line.

I could be wrong but I have a gut feeling about this one:

- Suit purchased in Tacoma 34 miles from Seattle where he lived.
- There was soft tissue found with the remains. Lost at sea 3/13/82 washed up 11/82 makes it more of a possibility.
- He was actually 33 not 34 at the time of the accident based on his birthday.

Good point Melmouth about DNA, there was soft tissue with the skeleton, perhaps that was saved but not yet tested?

They do have a dental available.

I will be more diligent with locating his children and or ex wife tonight. Then I will get in touch with the Namus representative in Hawaii that has this case and turn all the information over to him. (I just sent him information on a case in California last week, he happens to be the same representative for Hawaii).

 

[ZaZara]

Hello all, been lurking here for a while. :lurk:


I agree that the age bracket doesn't say all.
IMHO it is far more important to find a missing person who had a good reason to be wearing the exposure suit. This applies more to someone who was working at sea professionally.

(BTW Teenage son of friends wants to become an underwater welder. Looking at the list of accidents I can't be very happy about that choice
But I'll keep my mouth shut because dream does not begin to describe how he feels about it.)

I'm curious about the barnacles or marine crustaceans as they are mentioned officially.
In the case of the missing Malaysian aircraft MH370, it was said that barnacles found on a wing flap that washed up the shores of Reunion Island might help to determine the area where M370 went down.
Picture in the article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-spotted-three-months-ago.html#ixzz3heLoVrBV

I wonder if they investigated the barnacles on the suit and what came of it.

 

[MelmothTheLost]

Regarding age estimate:

At the risk of being redundant here I go.

There was a missing woman in NYS, she was 47. Remains were found in Maryland estimated at 23-30 years old. Those remains were looked over for 8 years until the detectives on the case saw the artist sketch face of those remains. The detectives in NYS picked up the phone and called the Maryland authorities and sure enough it was her. That is almost a 20 year or more age difference. Don't ever let that be a determining factor in doing your matches if other circumstances are in line.

Agreed, especially as we are talking about forensic science of 35 years ago. I'm sure things have moved on a lot since then.

Also it's possible that the autopsy in an apparently straightforward drowning case might not have been as extensive as it would have been if there was a suggestion of murder.

 

[DQN]

ZaZara, Diving has come a long way since 1982, your friends son will be fine. Not sure about the barnacles.

Douglas Dean Anderson was also in the Navy from June 1969 to June 1971.

 

[Cryptic]

It is only in the movies that people kill each other or deaths go unreported for treasures in the sea, lol I dive the NY Harbor and never know what we will come back with at the end of the day. I have alot of things thrown off of ships from the 1800's i.e Paris Medicine bottles, ink wells, nothing worth alot but our little trophies from our dives.

My opinion: he died in a commerical dive accident and he was lost at sea. If he washed up in 1982, he could have died in the 70's. At the time it was r reported to his family and they got an insurance pay out from the company. Remember being told lost at sea, no one is looking for that person. When he washed up in 1982, no one would have known that, only people that live in Hawaii. In addition there was not a vast internet of news and information that a relative would have known about it, to question whether or nor it could be their loved one.

Thanks again for the good information. Yes, I think your explanation is far more practical and far more likely than an un reported accidental death involving wreck divers obsessed with keeping the location of a site containing "this 'n that" trophies a secret.

 

[kemo]

I thought it was established early in this thread that "Bill" was wearing an Exposure suit, not a Dive suit. Exposure suits are usually worn by commercial fishermen in the Pacific North West to protect them from cold water onboard and allow them a little more time to be rescued if they go overboard. The ocean currents from the North Pacific would tend to carry any flotsam south along the California coast and then out into the Pacific in the direction of Hawaii. "Bill" was most likely. Commercial fisherman who was lost at sea from that region.

 

[DQN]

I called the Honolulu ME at 400am this morning Hawaii time. Of course at that time they weren't as busy as during the day. They are pulling barnacle bills 1982 file and they will await my email with his family contact information. I will then list here all the facts Are consistent with being Douglas.

 

[Laughing]

I called the Honolulu ME at 400am this morning Hawaii time. Of course at that time they weren't as busy as during the day. They are pulling barnacle bills 1982 file and they will await my email with his family contact information. I will then list here all the facts Are consistent with being Douglas.

Thanks SO very much, I just stopped by to say that the email address on "Bill's" NAMUS page produces a bounce.

DQN, so glad you found Bill's thread!

 

[DQN]

I thought it was established early in this thread that "Bill" was wearing an Exposure suit, not a Dive suit. Exposure suits are usually worn by commercial fishermen in the Pacific North West to protect them from cold water onboard and allow them a little more time to be rescued if they go overboard. The ocean currents from the North Pacific would tend to carry any flotsam south along the California coast and then out into the Pacific in the direction of Hawaii. "Bill" was most likely. Commercial fisherman who was lost at sea from that region.

Exposure suits are Scuba Dry Suits. If he had denim shorts on underneath probably because the dry suits keep you warm and you are more mobile in them with less clothes. Douglas died and was lost at sea trying to save someones life he was on board when the diver was in distress and geared up and went in. Unfortunately they both lost their lives. http://www.private-scuba.com/diving/equipment/wetsuits/index.html

In addition the medical examiner stated on the record it was a SCUBA Exposure suit, that is also known as a dry dive suit to stay in cold water for longer periods of time.

 

[DQN]

Namus asked if Douglas was in the Military I said yes I will send you his Military info. Namus said they will pull his dental records from the Military to compare with the Dentals of the UID. We will see. I will keep you posted.

 

[Laughing]

Namus asked if Douglas was in the Military I said yes I will send you his Military info. Namus said they will pull his dental records from the Military to compare with the Dentals of the UID. We will see. I will keep you posted.

DQN, you're the best!

:seeya:

 

[DQN]

DQN, you're the best!

:seeya:

You started the thread Laughing back in 2011, I just saw it last week. However I never would have known about it if you didn't put it out there! Everyone plays a part here.