HODGE-PODGE - LISK-related

[Justiceforever]

The tattoo on Natasia looks like a heart...it's pretty clear.

The tattoo of NJ doen't have those roued edges IMO, It looks more jagged.

 

[believe09]

So the burlap bags are commercially produced? Or he makes them himself?

 

[silversurvivor]

The tattoo on Natasia looks like a heart...it's pretty clear.

The tattoo of NJ doen't have those roued edges IMO, It looks more jagged.

hi, just a quick note on tattoos. i have one on my wrist that covers the scar of an old car accident. recently i had a cover up done on it. so less than a yr ago it would have been initials of my ex husband (i know bad choice) but now is a beautiful flower. you would have to know that photo was the most current of that tat. people also have rough edges fixed or tats re inked for various reasons MOO.

 

[MoonUnderfoot]

hi, just a quick note on tattoos. i have one on my wrist that covers the scar of an old car accident. recently i had a cover up done on it. so less than a yr ago it would have been initials of my ex husband (i know bad choice) but now is a beautiful flower. you would have to know that photo was the most current of that tat. people also have rough edges fixed or tats re inked for various reasons MOO.

Great point... If you look at photos of me from 6 months ago... I simply had a 'military tribal band' tattooed around my arm (yes, I served this cracked out country at one point). Look at photos of me from very recently, and that tattoo no longer exists... I mean, it's still there, but I have had it "covered'' and altered in order to turn it into another tattoo (a rose). The tattoo I had, and the one I have now are so different you would think that maybe they were 2 different arms.



I lLOVEEEEEE ink BTW

 

[Mountain_Kat]

So the burlap bags are commercially produced? Or he makes them himself?

I don't think we know, Believe. There are some msm reports that say "burlap bags" and some msm reports that simply say "wrapped in burlap". What's interesting, imo, is that it's the earliest reports that say burlap bags. I believe these first reports had it right, and then LE stepped in and shushed them. But that's just my opinion. All we can say with any certainty at this point, is that the bodies were disposed in burlap.

An interesting side note: There is a picture (or there was anyway) from the Oak Beach Associations website, that showed children in a sack race. They appeared to be using some kind of commercial burlap sacks. I think I tracked one of the logo's on one bag to a coffee company, and one appreared to be for some sort of seafood. (It's been a long time since then, so don't hold me to that. That's my recollection, though.)

 

[Mountain_Kat]

If we remove Shannan (and the Manorville victims) from the equation, and concentrate on JUST the GB4, are there any common threads that might link these 4 women? Apart from the fact that they were escorts, that's a given.

1. We can connect Amber and Megan to the Express Holiday Inn in Hauppague.
2. We can connect Melissa and Maureen to dancing.
3. We can connect Melissa, Maureen and Megan (via AC) to NYC.
4. We can connect Melissa, Amber and Megan to Long Island in life, and all 4 women to Long Island in death.
5. We can connect all 4 women (in death) to asphixiation and burlap.

That's all I can come up with. We have nothing to connect these 4 women to Brewer, Pak, CPH, or any other person of interest, as far as I know. And the ONLY connection we have between these 4 women and Shannan Gilbert is the fact that the GB4 were found due to Shannan's disappearance. We also have nothing to connected these 4 women to any of the other bodies found nearby.

Am I mistaken in any of what I've said?

 

[Theforeigner]

If we remove Shannan (and the Manorville victims) from the equation, and concentrate on JUST the GB4, are there any common threads that might link these 4 women? Apart from the fact that they were escorts, that's a given.

1. We can connect Amber and Megan to the Express Holiday Inn in Hauppague.
2. We can connect Melissa and Maureen to dancing.
3. We can connect Melissa, Maureen and Megan (via AC) to NYC.
4. We can connect Melissa, Amber and Megan to Long Island in life, and all 4 women to Long Island in death.
5. We can connect all 4 women (in death) to asphixiation and burlap.

That's all I can come up with. We have nothing to connect these 4 women to Brewer, Pak, CPH, or any other person of interest, as far as I know. And the ONLY connection we have between these 4 women and Shannan Gilbert is the fact that the GB4 were found due to Shannan's disappearance. We also have nothing to connected these 4 women to any of the other bodies found nearby.

Am I mistaken in any of what I've said?

Great summary.


Then there is the cellphone subjects, here is a cupple.

Police have registated Long island either ping activity or somone trying to access voicemail on MBB and MB cellphone's after they went missing
(MB: Massapequa
MBB: pinged a tower on the South Shore near Gilgo beach (which very well could be massapequa))

Both MB and MG mothers recived calls from a man who said he was police, this man is suspected to possibly have been the killer.

 

[CriminalMinds]

(unrelated to above)

interesting legislation proposed:

http://www.newstimes.com/news/crime/article/Connecticut-bills-target-human-trafficking-4435444.php

and related item:
http://www.polarisproject.org/resources/state-and-federal-laws

 

[hawkshaw]

We should be more concerned about the SG 23min 911 tape and why a detective writes a letter to Newsday telling us he didn't believe SG was in peril - or thought she was. You would be absolutely amazed what can be done with a voice analysis.

 

[PickleChris]

Thoughts.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/babylon-ny/TD4R9HLSMCF1OPL34

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Thoughts.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/babylon-ny/TD4R9HLSMCF1OPL34

Can't view the full story (if it IS a story). Can you summarize what it says? I'm pretty sure I never saw that, unless is was relating to the rumor about "the landscaper".

 

[fred&edna]

Can't view the full story (if it IS a story). Can you summarize what it says? I'm pretty sure I never saw that, unless is was relating to the rumor about "the landscaper".

I'm confused about the link, too. Is it the December 2012 L. Crawford article?

 

[MoonUnderfoot]

I'm confused about the link, too. Is it the December 2012 L. Crawford article?

http://www.examiner.com/article/suspect-named-gilgo-beach-murders?cid=rss

That is the link to the full article.

 

[fred&edna]

http://www.examiner.com/article/suspect-named-gilgo-beach-murders?cid=rss

That is the link to the full article.

Thank you, MoonUnderfoot.

The article says, "Crawford had previously served time in prison, from 1995 to 2008".

So, IF he was incarcerated that entire time he couldn't be responsible for the murders of victims who disappeared during that period.


Am I suppose to be reading between the lines of either the article or the "thoughts" query??

 

[Mountain_Kat]

He might look good for the Manorville bodies, I guess (I'm not clear on those dates). But if he was incarcerated in 2007, that definitely rules him out for Maureen. Rule a suspect out for one of the GB4, and you rule him out for the other three, imo. Not one shred of doubt, in my mind, that Maureen, Melissa, Megan and Amber are all victims of the same person. NONE!

 

[PickleChris]

I just posted the link cause I don't remember it being discussed here. There is no way he is our man. Dates don't make sense.

 

[Justiceforever]

Guest suggestions here for Tricias radio program. I suggested Vito Safarti.

Anybody have any ideas?

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9281170#post9281170"]Guest Suggestions for Websleuths Radio - Page 4 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

Comment here.

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

Guest suggestions here for Tricias radio program. I suggested Vito Safarti.

Anybody have any ideas?

Guest Suggestions for Websleuths Radio - Page 4 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Comment here.

John Ray, Esq.
C.P Hackett or Barbara Hackett
Joseph Scalise, Jr.

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

omg.

this is so incredibly sad.

only 10 girls were saved.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/sex-trafficking-horror-spreads-nyc-suburbs-article-1.1342182

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

ok web sleuthers...

you are all here because you have said you want justice for the girls.

well.... there is legislation in front of congress.....
called the Trafficking Victims Protection Justice Act

here is the link....

may i please please please please ask you to click on it and sign it?
(if you live in new york) LETS MAKE NEW YORK THE ONE STATE WITH THE TOUGHEST LAWS AGAINST TRAFFICKING!!!!


http://www.getontheagenda.com/letters/TLetter

if you want to learn what the Trafficking Victims Protection Justice Act is...
click on this link.

http://www.legislativegazette.com/A...strengthen-human-trafficking-punishments.html

The Trafficking Victims Protection and Justice Act would toughen penalties for traffickers and patrons, eliminate the ability for a victim of human trafficking to be prosecuted as a prostitute and eliminate the identifying term "prostitute" from the state's penal law and replace it with the phrase "person for prostitution."

The Act also raises the penalty for trafficking people for labor exploitation to a class B felony, the same penalty as trafficking for sexual exploitation. The legislation also holds chauffeurs accountable if they are found to have provided transportation for human traffickers.

The bill also closes the loophole in state law which currently provides a weaker punishment for those convicted of buying sex from a minor. Under the new statute, persons convicted would receive the same punishment as those who rape a child of the same age.

so please...please....please....
if you live in new york state.....

please click and sign the petition.

let's change the law!!!! be a part of changing the law!!!
do it right away - they meet next week....
thank you....