Holly Bobo found deceased, discussion thread *Arrests* #7

[Dogface]

I just have a hard time buying that these charged simply did this out of lust. Rape is not usually driven by that motive. I am unsure about rapes committed by groups, however, I still think it would be more of a power thing. I just can't wrap my head around a group of people thinking that kidnapping a well liked community member for gang rape and then murder would work out for them in any sense. Maybe I can't think that because I am not of that mentality. But to me, this group was a violent group of drug users, so its not a huge jump to rape and murder, but at the same time, the plan a kidnapping for the sole purpose of rape and murder doesn't add up for me. I am hoping what we learn in the future will make it a clearer picture for me on motive. I do think these are the people responsible, I just don't think the motive is up to snuff yet. I simply pray the DA has the info needed to prove that motive.

 

[TedMac]

I believe the motive is supported by the charges filed against the three defendants and are self explanatory as to what the intended motive was.

Kidnapped to be raped by multiple offenders, and murdered.

BBM Exactly. They kidnapped her and did what they did because that was their motive all along. Some have theorized that her abduction and murder was payback for drugs or to get back at either her, her boyfriend or family for something either she or they had done. While this is possible, I tend to doubt it. Those type of things happen on television and in movies a lot more than they happen in real life. I'm not saying it isn't possible, but I just don't think so.

I also think another factor that the leader of the "A-Train" had been charged with numerous crimes and had gotten away with most of them serving little or no time in jail and had a feeling of invincibility about him. Meth addicts also tend to think this way.

 

[pearl]

RE: Obvious


The A team were experienced and avid hunters, analogous to a pack of wolves, imo. Holly Bobo was simply their "ideal" prey/victim on their 04/13/2011 morning hunt...

snipped and bbm

This is the most accurate description of this horrendous crime that I have ever read.

 

[steelman]

I'm not a legal scholar in real life, nor do I pretend to be one on Websleuths.

If these three guys are responsible for this, I hope they BURN in both in this life and the next one.

Holly Bobo didn't deserve what happened to her. Amidst all the legal wrangling, what gets lost ?
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Just imagine yourself strapped to a chair, surrounded by three hillbillies, with a whole pill jar full of Viagra.
Male or female wouldn't make much of a difference to those monsters. They just opted for a petite blonde- headed girl that they could control without much effort, hence the phrase "cowards". After they finished torturing her for hours, one of them had to kill her. Which one of them was it ? Did they all pitch in to make it a group kill ? Does it really matter ?

Everytime I see a picture of her, it just reminds me of the hell she went through in the last hours of her life, and nobody came to help her. Nobody. Don't you know she was hoping somebody would ?
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p.s.) Everyone should really listen to what Oceanblueeyes says about these things. She's local and she's most likely followed this case closer than anybody in here. She's probably one of the most well spoken and knowledgeable people I've ever seen on Websleuths. You guys should listen to her, don't be dismissive.

 

[SteveS]

Everyone should really listen to what Oceanblueeyes says about these things. She's local and ...

Respectfully, I don't think that's accurate. Her sig is about NC, I seem to recall she's said she lives in southern GA (which is about as far away from being local as I am), and seems to me she talks as an outsider from elsewhere who simply has her own opinions - which makes her just like pretty much everyone discussing this case imo.

 

[Mr. Noatak]

Regarding what I've respectfully highlighted - Was it possible that the items mentioned were simply thrown out of the moving vehicle, rather than actually making a stop to get out and leave them? It's been my thought that the perp(s) while speeding away, realize she has her lunch box (purse) with her and it dawns on him she might have a phone, tablet, etc. inside. Fearing the device could have GPS or a location app turned on, he wants to get rid of it like a live grenade.

My opinions only, no facts here:

I am under the impression that the Gooch Road evidence was off of the main road, on some side road. Even so, my theory could still be wrong. Foxfire in post #213 above outlines an alternate and equally-probable interpretation of the Gooch Road evidence.

The cell phone is a head-scratcher. Let us say the abductor DID pull onto a side-road for a while and ditched evidence. Yet the cell phone was apparently not with the Gooch Road evidence. It was found miles away in the wrong direction and possibly planted days later. Why was the cell phone found near Holly’s school? Why not just dig a hole and bury it randomly or smash it with a hammer and throw it in the stove?

 

[SteveS]

Wasn't the so-called "Gooch Road" evidence found days later as well? And isn't the exact location on (or was it "near"?) "Gooch Road" still an unknown? I don't know that there's anything to indicate that said evidence first hit that location during the getaway, or that the perp stopped to get rid of it while trying to make his escape. Seems more likely to me that it was planted later.

 

[Mr. Noatak]

Wasn't the so-called "Gooch Road" evidence found days later as well? And isn't the exact location on (or was it "near"?) "Gooch Road" still an unknown? I don't know that there's anything to indicate that said evidence first hit that location during the getaway, or that the perp stopped to get rid of it while trying to make his escape. Seems more likely to me that it was planted later.

My opinions only, no facts here:

SteveS, from the many news accounts I read after the abduction, the Gooch Road evidence was found either one day or two days after the abduction. I favor the next morning after the abduction.

The exact location of this evidence is only known by the authorities, but from the overall news accounts and local posters, it MIGHT be a short distance off of the main road and was possibly found by a local landowner out for a walk.

I do believe this evidence was planted, but on the morning of the abduction. Also, I believe that the cell phone was planted, but many days after the abduction.

Just saying.

 

[Steleheart]

Was there any more actual information about the supposed shredded pink shirt placed in the mailbox. Was it true, was it not true? Wondering about planted evidence.

I mean 2 years? Anyone could pull that crap.

"Now, we have learned that just a few weeks ago, Holly's brother, Clint Bobo, was tying pink ribbons on mailboxes to mark the two-year anniversary of his sister's disappearance. When darkness set in, he quit for the night but returned to finish the work the next morning, where he found inside the next mailbox along his path a shredded pink T-shirt."
http://apmobile.worldnow.com/story/22199731/holly-bobos-family-taunted-as-they-seek-her-return

 

[Mr. Noatak]

Was there any more actual information about the supposed shredded pink shirt placed in the mailbox. Was it true, was it not true? Wondering about planted evidence.

I mean 2 years? Anyone could pull that crap.

"Now, we have learned that just a few weeks ago, Holly's brother, Clint Bobo, was tying pink ribbons on mailboxes to mark the two-year anniversary of his sister's disappearance. When darkness set in, he quit for the night but returned to finish the work the next morning, where he found inside the next mailbox along his path a shredded pink T-shirt."
http://apmobile.worldnow.com/story/22199731/holly-bobos-family-taunted-as-they-seek-her-return

My opinions only, no facts here:

This incident was covered in my detailed timeline. You can check out my opinions about this event there. The whole event of the pink t-shirt makes me uneasy about this case. Call it intuition, call it a hunch, call it anything. I am hoping that the entire story itself is a myth. An internet rumor.

 

[Mr. Noatak]

My opinions only, no facts here:

This incident was covered in my detailed timeline. You can check out my opinions about this event there. The whole event of the pink t-shirt makes me uneasy about this case. Call it intuition, call it a hunch, call it anything. I am hoping that the entire story itself is a myth. An internet rumor.

My opinions only, no facts here:

OK, to save you some time, here is my original timeline post about this event:

Sometime during ?APRIL?, 2013

In yet another bizarre twist in this convoluted case, questionable reports (generally published later- in May, 2013) surface that Holly’s brother ?found a torn or shredded pink T-shirt in a mailbox? while he was tying pink ribbons to mailboxes around town. This would apparently match the type of top-clothing that Holly Bobo was wearing the morning she was abducted. BEWARE!- unless proven otherwise I consider this event an internet myth OR generated by non-official investigators. If it actually happened as reported it could be relevant or it could simply be a cruel hoax. Cruel hoaxes are unfortunately not uncommon in high-profile cases.

 

[~n/t~]

Oh my gosh! I'm so skeptical about this case. Crocs , camo shorts, blond hair? Where did this reporter get this info?

Did he interview Dylan? None of the wearing apparel matches what Clint described. Do people wear shorts in April in TN?

 

[Foxfire]

Oh my gosh! I'm so skeptical about this case. Crocs , camo shorts, blond hair? Where did this reporter get this info?

Did he interview Dylan? None of the wearing apparel matches what Clint described. Do people wear shorts in April in TN?

~n/t~, It is not uncommon for turkey hunters to wear noninsulated camo coveralls over their clothing due to the early morning chilling temperatures in the spring. Many hunt prior to reporting to their jobs or other daily activities, and wear other clothing under their easily removed coveralls. A few pages back, possibly on the prior thread, we discussed that Crocs come in camo and are worn by many outdoor persons, especially in the south. The glove fits....

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Respectfully, I don't think that's accurate. Her sig is about NC, I seem to recall she's said she lives in southern GA (which is about as far away from being local as I am), and seems to me she talks as an outsider from elsewhere who simply has her own opinions - which makes her just like pretty much everyone discussing this case imo.

That is true. We do have a condo in Banner Elk NC though but our primary residence is Georgia.

IMO

 

[jggordo]

"More than four years later, on Sept. 7, 2014, two hikers found Bobo's remains in a wooded area in rural Decatur County, Tennessee, not far from her home, on property owned by the family of Zachary Adams. "

BBM: This is the first I have heard that the property was (is) owned by the Adams family. People magazine is usually pretty accurate and well vetted.

IMO's

http://www.people.com/article/holly-bobo-murder-john-dylan-adams-indicted?xid=rss-topheadlines

 

[SteveS]

"More than four years later, on Sept. 7, 2014, two hikers found Bobo's remains in a wooded area in rural Decatur County, Tennessee, not far from her home, on property owned by the family of Zachary Adams. "

BBM: This is the first I have heard that the property was (is) owned by the Adams family. People magazine is usually pretty accurate and well vetted.

IMO's

http://www.people.com/article/holly-bobo-murder-john-dylan-adams-indicted?xid=rss-topheadlines

Whoever wrote that article is clearly sloppy on details - it's littered with obvious errors - and the editor went to sleep, so I wouldn't read too much into the fine points it offers.

 

[jggordo]

"On May 20, the three men were charged with an eight-count grand jury indictment that supersedes their previous charges. These include one count of premeditated first degree murder, two counts of especially aggravated kidnapping and three counts of aggravated rape."

BBM

How did the editor fall asleep? Do we know or not know who owns the property that the remains and skull were found? How is the article filled with inaccuracies? I understand that MSM gets it wrong or incomplete sometimes. This article is from 1-2 days ago. Should Holly's remains have been found on property that the Adams family owns it could be integral as to how long they remained there before being found.

JMO's

 

[Chainsaw385]

Where did you hear that they found crocs at Zach's house?

I do not know this....nor did I read it elsewhere.....I would have thought "sounds like to me" implied that

There was a shoe print introduced as evidence(this seems pretty clear from the report) to get the indictment.Also you have DA saying he saw his brother wearing crocks on the day of the crime which are the type of shoes that left this print.

It doesn't take rocket science to surmise they found the exact shoe that left the print in the Bobo carport during the search.Thus leading to the charges being filed.......This would be a huge gift to the defense if they introduced this print to the GJ and can not tie it to the suspects.The worst prosecutor in history would not make this mistake.

I don't think just DA saying his brother had crocks would be enough to get an indictment.....although it would be enough to get a search warrant.They would need the shoe itself to get the indictment.DA saying he had crocks on and finding the shoe that left the print would be very powerful evidence unless ZA can explain why his shoe print would be in their carport prior to the crime.

Some people won't like this (the ones that think there is no evidence)).........but they indeed have some evidence.And if they found a shoe at ZA's house that matches the print left at the crime scene.Also matching what DA said ZA wore that day.This is all that would be needed to get an indictment.The prosecution only presents enough evidence to get the indictment.They don't lay out their whole case.The rest of the evidence they have will come out at the trial.

None of this I know for sure but can say it makes much better sense then the people that keep posting that there is no evidence all the while the prosecution just added more charges and are thinking about the death penalty......do they honestly think since LE doesn't have any evidence the best thing to do is add more charges that they can't prove and this is going to help their case?

There was no rush to judgement in this case..........it appears it took some time until they had a suspect(s) to focus on and even then took some time to get probable cause for a search warrant and there were no arrests until after the search.

These guys being convicted is the only way Holly will get justice .....because there won't be any more trials after these ones for her murder.

 

[Arnie M]

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I am sure it was reported that the property where the body was found belonged to a forestry-sawmill company.

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[SteveS]

1 How did the editor fall asleep?
2 Do we know or not know who owns the property that the remains and skull were found?
3 How is the article filled with inaccuracies?

Look, if you want to believe there's something newsy here, feel free. It's not worth debating, because it's simply a case of fact-or-not. But I think you're making a mistake if you take this at face value. To answer your questions ...

1 By letting an error-strewn article run in a national site/publication. It's an editor's job to ensure fact-checking is done.
2 My uncertain recollection is that we knew the owner of the property, at one time, and it was just a random person or entity (ie not news). But more than that, this would be huge news if true, that "the remains were found on Adams family property," but this article doesn't treat it as a scoop and other reporters aren't responding to it as news. "No one else is saying that" often means a lot.
...We also should consider the context. This story was simply a rehash, slapped together as background for the new indictments to provide "information" (such as it is) for those unfamiliar with the case, and not a newsbreaker on the case by some investigative journalist.
3 This reporter and editor tell us it was "more than 4 years" from Holly's abduction to when the remains were found. It was not. They tell us that "Sean Austin" committed suicide. Again, afaik there is no person by that name in this case. Those are easy to recognize as blunders. When you are fuzzy on easy-to-check info, it shows sloppiness as to details, and is an indication that we would be wise to distrust things you alone say and write it off to more sloppy fact gathering.