Holly Bobo, missing from TN 2014 discussion #5 ***ARRESTS***

[spooky24]

I thought I went out of my way to state the criminal process in Decatur county, the state of Tennessee and that of the United States in not perfect and mistakes are going to occur whenever humans are in a position of authority.

I learned a very long time ago that in a capitalistic democracy, based on the principal of free enterprise, there are going to be winners and losers. That is a fact and it is also a fact that this effects the criminal justice system as well. These things must be excepted on their merits as the only alternative is European inspired socialism in which, in theory, everyone is equal, and there are no winners-just losers.

Also, that if this form of government is accepted, then individuals will be required to adhere to things they are apposed to.

The statement that the criminal justice system is at fault whenever a crime is committed is absurd. I have spent decades seeing it from both sides and there are plenty of problems. However, claiming it is punitive is just uninformed.

If you want to criticize the classifications that my point of view insist on then try to remember the facts of this case without emotion.

There is no evidence whatsoever that a crime has been committed. The person who has been dispersed could show up at any time safe and sound. It has happened countless times before and that is the attitude the legal system must adhere to. I know many people here disagree with that-they feel emotion should rule and anyone they choose should be convicted right away for a crime that has not even been committed. All I can say to that is welcome to democracy in general and due process, along with the rights of the accused in particular.

Now which case in particular, involving either of these men, do you feel the judgement led to the disappearance of the victim. I have them all in front of me right now at this moment-there are 26 that were decided upon. The decision on most of them the judge is William Brown-a 30 year veteran also known as 'tough willie'.

Now, no more rhetoric or drama, as several of you have made statements that Judge Brown's court is at fault for the disappearance of the victim.

Which case was it?

 

[OldSteve]

Guess, District Attorney General Hansel McCadams, will now have to buy his own helicopter to commute to away football games..

District Attorney General Hansel McCadams

http://www.comptroller.tn.gov/repos...resStolenAndMisusedIn24thJudicialDistrict.pdf

State of Tennessee
Justin P. Wilson, State Comptroller
For Immediate Release: Aug. 17, 2011
Items from Drug Seizures Stolen and Misused in 24th
Judicial District

Aug 17, 2011 - District Attorney General Hansel McCadams occasionally used equipment confiscated by the Drug Task Force, including a BMW Z-3, Motorcycle, Golf Cart, 4-wheeler, and a trailer for his personal use... He also flew on Drug Task Force airplanes and a helicopter for purposes that were not related to official Task Force business. He maintained a handgun, two assault rifles, three heat-imaging devices and a projector from the Drug Task Force at his personal residence....

A group of jail trustees on a work detail had access to seized items without sufficient supervision.
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Wow! Sounds like something out of one of those old Hollywood B-movies! :notgood: :notgood:

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Just a reminder:

From WKRN:

Hearing for Holly Bobo suspect rescheduled for August


Mark Pearcy's hearing is now scheduled for 10 a.m. August 18.


http://www.wkrn.com/story/25861838/h...d-until-august

 

[Foxfire]

Wow! Sounds like something out of one of those old Hollywood B-movies! :notgood: :notgood:

It is worse than what meets the eye, OldSteve. Seems, District Attorney General Hansel McCadams' clerk & her hubby were pilfering the evidence(drugs) for personal use & customers..as well as 4-wheelers, petty cash, etc...

RE: A group of jail trustees on a work detail had access to seized items without sufficient supervision.

The inmates were helping the TN Drug Task Force move to another location. They were wearing orange jumpsuits, with pockets full of precious metal coins, drugs, and wearing shiny Black Task Force Leather Jackets while riding TN DTF Harley Davidsons to the new DTF headquarters... Not sure how many traffic citations they gave out, in route...:jail:

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Unsupervised inmates assigned to move drug evidence Jun 22, 2011

Belew said he expected the inmates to be supervised by members of the Drug Task Force. He said trustees do valuable work in the community, but he expects their supervisors to use common sense.

"We don't allow Henry Medical Center inmates doing good work out there, to do surgery, nor did we think an inmate working for the Drug Task Force would be moving any kind of contraband, " Belew said.

Details of the unsupervised work became public earlier this week during a probation revocation hearing for Satterwhite.

During the testimony, inmate David Williams testified he was allowed to drive a motorcycle between the two drug task force offices. Because he was wearing jail clothing, Williams said he was given a federal agent's jacket to wear.

The sheriff said that shows a lack of common sense.

"We have three motorcycles here at the Henry County Sheriff's Department, and you haven't seen us let inmates drive our Harley Ultra-Classics out on patrol, I promise you," Belew said.

We were unable to reach anyone from the 24th Judicial Drug Task Force for a comment.

http://www.wsmv.com/story/14960499/unsupervised-inmates-assigned-to-move-drug-evidence

 

[jggordo]

I have not found any court documents with Judge Brown as a Presiding Judge. If there is a link to it I may have missed it. Judge McGinley was elected in 1988 and still presides as far as I know. The copies of court documents provided by the Tennessean show him as Judge on most, IMO. I can see a Judge and Prosecutor reducing a felony to a misdemeanor, as it is done nationwide daily. But not repeatedly over a decade, IMO. If there are documents that Judge Brown issued I would appreciate seeing them, as it would surely change my thinking on the subject.

Judge McGinley

http://judgepedia.org/Decatur_County,_Tennessee

District Attorney

http://www.tndagc.org/dag24.htm

Zachery Adams Criminal Report from TBI

http://www.scribd.com/doc/210934395/Zachary-Adams-criminal-history-provided-by-TBI

JMO's

 

[spooky24]

I believer there is a error and my documents and I appreciate your post to clear this up. I believe I have the wrong district court that was printed over these cases. I have hundreds of these documents however that is no excuse for mistaking the courts. I wondered about this as I thought Judge Brown had retired-and he has. Classic case of trying to do to much at the same time however it still shows that neither of these men were given preferential treatment which led to the victim disappearing.

I have those very documents from your link however I still got them confused.

Can't win them all. Old age is creeping up on me-not here yet but getting closer.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

:seeya: Morning Y'all !


I noticed something when I was in the Court Case Dates' Thread:

Remember that Scheduling Order that was issued for ZA and JA ?

The Discovery is due August 29, 2014.

This is a little more than a couple of weeks away ... and so far, NOTHING !

Not placing blame on anyone ... but I just do not think this case is going to move forward as scheduled, which has to be absolutely frustrating for the Bobo Family !

I just wish we would learn something about this case -- anything ...

I know, LE has kept everything :silenced: about Holly's case ...

:moo:

 

[OldSteve]

:seeya: Morning Y'all !


I noticed something when I was in the Court Case Dates' Thread:

Remember that Scheduling Order that was issued for ZA and JA ?

The Discovery is due August 29, 2014.

This is a little more than a couple of weeks away ... and so far, NOTHING !

Not placing blame on anyone ... but I just do not think this case is going to move forward as scheduled, which has to be absolutely frustrating for the Bobo Family !

I just wish we would learn something about this case -- anything ...

I know, LE has kept everything :silenced: about Holly's case ...

:moo:

Morning to you dog.gone.cute :seeya:

In light of all the shenanigans mentioned up-thread that's gone on locally, I too wonder about the evidence.
Does the election outcome affect who will now be prosecuting this case?

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Morning to you dog.gone.cute :seeya:

In light of all the shenanigans mentioned up-thread that's gone on locally, I too wonder about the evidence.
Does the election outcome affect who will now be prosecuting this case?

:seeya: I agree, OS !

As to the recent elections, I hope that a local who knows something about the political landscape in Decatur, the surrounding counties and TN will weigh in on this issue ...

As to the "shenanigans" ? I think time will tell ...

JMO but I do believe there is some sort of "video" or "evidence of a video" -- Also a possibility is that it was destroyed and they are trying to piece at least some of it together ...

Now, I do wonder IF there will be any more indictments/charges/arrests with respect to this "video" ?

Also pending is SA's "immunity deal" ... and I do wonder IF there are any more "immunity deals" that have been kept :silenced:

All :moo:

 

[Foxfire]

Bumping Interesting Open Line TV5 Video Discussion in the Holly Bobo Case from May 2014> A Backwards walk in Time> 2014 HOLLY BOBO COVERAGE...

OpenLine: Holly Bobo Murder Case
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MuD6-VMO34

<More Links - Click 'Videos' in left margin> continuous videos keep watching...
http://article.wn.com/view/2014/05/28/Prosecutors_request_gag_order_in_Holly_Bobo_case/

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Holly Bobo Case: Jason Autry, Zach ...2:40

HOLLY BOBO CASE UPDATE: 2 SUSPECTS ...

Second Suspect Charged in Holly Bob...2:25

OpenLine: Holly Bobo Murder Case...9:46

Suspect indicted for kidnapping, mu...1:37

Holly Bobo Case Tennessee Man Char...5:40

Jason Autry charged with murder of ...0:57

Zachary Adams pleads not guilty to ...0:26

Jason Autry speaks to News Ch 5 Nas...4:35

Holly Bobo - Zachary Adams Arraignm...10:31

Zachary Adams - Status Hearing (Hol...13:08

Holly Bobo - Press Conference Re: C...13:07

 

[OldSteve]

Copying this over from the news thread:

http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/Ne...s-could-solve-Bobo-murder-case-270843401.html

New 24th Judicial District DA says "fresh eyes" could solve Bobo murder case

The newly elected district attorney for the 24th judicial district, Matt Stowe, said everyone he knows, himself included wants to see the Holly Bobo case closed.

"I've told everyone who will listen that I'm ready to jump in midstream," he said.

Stowe, who graduated top of his class at Harvard and worked as a clerk for Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, said he hopes his years of experience winning death penalty and violent crime cases will help him solve the 3-year-long puzzle of what happened to nursing student Holly Bobo.

"I have the same questions the public has. What is the evidence we haven't seen yet and is it strong enough for us to get through?" Stowe said.

Wow! This is both good and not so good news IMO. Good in that I like what the new DA is saying. Not so good in that what happens now with all that has taken place?

 

[Dr. Know?]

Dylan A is no longer available on Vinelink. That's something. Haven't found him listed at BOP yet. He had a court day this week for the gun charges, I believe. Interesting. (I'll provide my vinelink message if necessary)

I feel the wheels turning...a bit. Next...SA?

 

[Foxfire]

Copying this over from the news thread:

Quote Originally Posted by imamaze View Post
http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/New...270843401.html

New 24th Judicial District DA says "fresh eyes" could solve Bobo murder case

The newly elected district attorney for the 24th judicial district, Matt Stowe, said everyone he knows, himself included wants to see the Holly Bobo case closed.

"I've told everyone who will listen that I'm ready to jump in midstream," he said.

Stowe, who graduated top of his class at Harvard and worked as a clerk for Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, said he hopes his years of experience winning death penalty and violent crime cases will help him solve the 3-year-long puzzle of what happened to nursing student Holly Bobo.

"I have the same questions the public has. What is the evidence we haven't seen yet and is it strong enough for us to get through?" Stowe said.

Wow! This is both good and not so good news IMO. Good in that I like what the new DA is saying. Not so good in that what happens now with all that has taken place?

"DEJA VU"....?

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http://www.examiner.com/article/hol...emains-active-rumors-case-went-cold-dispelled

Holly Bobo: Investigation remains active, rumors case went cold dispelled 06/25/2011

According to TBI officials, including TBI Criminal Investigation Division Special Agent In Charge, John Mehr, they continue to receive and investigate tips daily, perform on-the-ground searches conducted by law enforcement officials weekly, and have brought in a new team of TBI investigators from across the state to look at the investigation with &#8220;fresh eyes,&#8221; something commonly done in missing persons&#8217; cases that aren&#8217;t quickly solved.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

At this point I believe residents of DC were more voting who they didn't want more than who they did. It has been mentioned earlier how there should not be any politics involved in Holly's case. I agree without a doubt. However, Holly and her case hopefully has brought awareness to the County, the State of TN and the US that we don't give up. Just because the status quo might question who we are as people, we still find that there are Holly's that make us take pause. Maybe it took Holly to make the people of Decatur County to wake up to the criminals who had committed crimes by the dozens, and reduced them to mere misdemeanors in order to do it all over again. She lost her life at the expense of TN judicial system, IMO

JMO's

LTNS Everyone!

I agree. So many in my own area are fed up with whomever is in office now. Many of them, including my family, have vowed we are going to vote against every incumbent in office, and this is in local, state and at the federal level when election time comes. Imo, most Americans are sick of the current government officials collectively no matter what office they held or hold.

But I am elated that Holly's case now has a new DA who seems to be very well qualified and is very successful in trying death penalty cases as well.

I was glad to see this part in one of the articles.

"If we can still prove without a reasonable doubt, but we can't find the smoking gun, can't find the body, that's not going to slow me down," Stowe said.


I think we may know why this case hasn't moved forward much now. I think the prior DA pretty much knew he was going to be voted out.

With a new DA onboard the Judge will reset the time discovery has to be turned over. It will take the DA quite a long time to go over all the evidence. So I don't see these cases coming to trial anytime soon. It may not even happen until 2016.

 

[SteveS]

With a new DA onboard the Judge will reset the time discovery has to be turned over. It will take the DA quite a long time to go over all the evidence.

This is nonsense. What does "I need to review the evidence myself" have to do with "The court requires your office to present the evidence to the defendant"? If I am the judge and the prosecution doesn't comply with the deadline to provide their evidence to the defense as the LAW demands, after their foot-dragging we've already seen, there will likely be severe sanctions imposed, and rightly so.

The new DA's obligation, first and foremost, is to comply with the court requirements, because people have already been arrested, and deprived of their liberty. There are two weeks left, and that disclosure better be flying out the door continuously, or their inaction is going to jeopardize this case.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Dylan A is no longer available on Vinelink. That's something. Haven't found him listed at BOP yet. He had a court day this week for the gun charges, I believe. Interesting. (I'll provide my vinelink message if necessary)

I feel the wheels turning...a bit. Next...SA?

:tyou: Dr. Know for this update !

Did you happen to notice any other names/court dates for any others with gun charges who are connected to this case ?

:thinking: You need a flowchart to keep track of these perps as to their charges and if they are state or federal charges ... :gaah:

THANKS !

 

[Suthrnqt]

LTNS Everyone!

I agree. So many in my own area are fed up with whomever is in office now. Many of them, including my family, have vowed we are going to vote against every incumbent in office, and this is in local, state and at the federal level when election time comes. Imo, most Americans are sick of the current government officials collectively no matter what office they held or hold.

But I am elated that Holly's case now has a new DA who seems to be very well qualified and is very successful in trying death penalty cases as well.

I was glad to see this part in one of the articles.

"If we can still prove without a reasonable doubt, but we can't find the smoking gun, can't find the body, that's not going to slow me down," Stowe said.


I think we may know why this case hasn't moved forward much now. I think the prior DA pretty much knew he was going to be voted out.

With a new DA onboard the Judge will reset the time discovery has to be turned over. It will take the DA quite a long time to go over all the evidence. So I don't see these cases coming to trial anytime soon. It may not even happen until 2016.

Ocean good too see you posting again. :seeya:
I also wondered with the new DA in town, if the dates would be moved.

 

[Hatfield]

This is nonsense. What does "I need to review the evidence myself" have to do with "The court requires your office to present the evidence to the defendant"? If I am the judge and the prosecution doesn't comply with the deadline to provide their evidence to the defense as the LAW demands, after their foot-dragging we've already seen, there will likely be severe sanctions imposed, and rightly so.

The new DA's obligation, first and foremost, is to comply with the court requirements, because people have already been arrested, and deprived of their liberty. There are two weeks left, and that disclosure better be flying out the door continuously, or their inaction is going to jeopardize this case.

I agree. I keep getting more and more concerned about this "evidence" the more time goes on. I would have hoped it would have been opposite of that.

A new DA could have a whole different viewpoint on what is considered strong evidence. So now it is more of a question rather than less. With the old DA, he had already determined the evidence was strong enough, but now we have no idea how this DA will interpret it.

I dont like either side playing "games" with peoples lives. The judge already warned both sides to be timely and here we are getting close to the deadline for discovery to be turned over and not a shred of it has been handed over yet to our knowledge. That to me, is playing "games" and it is just wrong IMO.

If the judge grants a delay in the deadline, I will take that as another sign of things not going so well for the State.

As an example of "games", there was another case I saw where the DA purposely scattered the evidence onto numerous discs in no particular order to confuse the defense. Even worse, is they found the most troublesome parts and tried to hide them in the middle of other non-important evidence.
The DA is not required to make the defense job easy, but to purposely scatter the evidence out of sequence and to purposely try to hide things in the middle of other things is just plain wrong IMO.
Is it legal? Perhaps But it sure isnt moral or right IMO.

And most importantly, when we begin to see these types of "games", that is a huge sign that the State's case maybe kind of weak. If they had a strong case, the evidence should stand on its own merits and they should be glad to show it with no delays, and in the correct order.

 

[jggordo]

I agree. I keep getting more and more concerned about this "evidence" the more time goes on. I would have hoped it would have been opposite of that.

A new DA could have a whole different viewpoint on what is considered strong evidence. So now it is more of a question rather than less. With the old DA, he had already determined the evidence was strong enough, but now we have no idea how this DA will interpret it.

I dont like either side playing "games" with peoples lives. The judge already warned both sides to be timely and here we are getting close to the deadline for discovery to be turned over and not a shred of it has been handed over yet to our knowledge. That to me, is playing "games" and it is just wrong IMO.

If the judge grants a delay in the deadline, I will take that as another sign of things not going so well for the State.

As an example of "games", there was another case I saw where the DA purposely scattered the evidence onto numerous discs in no particular order to confuse the defense. Even worse, is they found the most troublesome parts and tried to hide them in the middle of other non-important evidence.
The DA is not required to make the defense job easy, but to purposely scatter the evidence out of sequence and to purposely try to hide things in the middle of other things is just plain wrong IMO.
Is it legal? Perhaps But it sure isnt moral or right IMO.

And most importantly, when we begin to see these types of "games", that is a huge sign that the State's case maybe kind of weak. If they had a strong case, the evidence should stand on its own merits and they should be glad to show it with no delays, and in the correct order.

The Ryan Ferguson / Charles Erickson case is a prime example of a case not prosecuted properly, coerced confession and coaching witnesses. Almost ten years later it came back to bite them in the butt. Ryan's conviction overturned and he is currently suing all involved for $100M.

I am not so much concerned about how much evidence they have as much as how they obtain it and whether it will pass the tests of time and appeals that surely will follow. They only get one bite at the apple.

JMO's

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?237659-Ryan-Ferguson-100M-Wrongful-Coviction-Lawsuit

https://www.facebook.com/FreeCharlesErickson

 

[pearl]

This is nonsense. What does "I need to review the evidence myself" have to do with "The court requires your office to present the evidence to the defendant"? If I am the judge and the prosecution doesn't comply with the deadline to provide their evidence to the defense as the LAW demands, after their foot-dragging we've already seen, there will likely be severe sanctions imposed, and rightly so.

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One would think the new DA would have to take time to go over everything concerning Holly's case. I could be wrong, but I don't think anything has been reported that the prosecution will not meet the deadline for turning over evidence. The prosecution is obligated to turn over copies of all evidence, etc to the defense but not to have it organized in any way for them. I rather think most DA's offices just give the defense what is required. I think it is up to the defense to go through it and organize it for themselves. This is partly what they are paid to do. I don't think it is a question of being moral. It's a point of law. Also, the defense often asks the court for extended time to sort through the evidence, etc and is, more often than not, granted the extra time. I think it would be a logical request for this new DA to ask for extended time also to study the case.