Holly Bobo's Remains Have Been Identified

[steelman]

In THIS case I believe LE is right to keep a lid on it. It did take them 3 years to arrest anyone, and it IS an ongoing investigation. A few more months won't make any difference to us, but telling all could hurt the case.

:cow:

And I ain't no liberal,LOL

Well, let's think about this for a minute.

1) The newly elected D.A. just stated that he had overwhelming evidence to prove their guilt, but finding her body helped a lot.

2) The guys that committed this crime already know what is at the crime scene. You see, they were there themselves, they know what was found.
You aren't going to tell them anything they don't already know.

3) The defense attorneys will be privy to any and all evidence, to date, through the discovery process by law. So it isn't like the prosecutor is going to spring all kinds of surprises on the defense come trial time. That's what the discovery process is for.

So just what is it exactly at this point that would put the case in jeopardy ?

Is the case really so weak that a good samaritan voicing what he found that day is going to allow these guys to walk ?

If the case against these guys is as strong as they have portrayed, what exactly is it that they are so afraid of ?

 

[big4dropout]

Anything the witnesses say to the media can easily get back to ZA and his boys in prison, and he can change his testimony. We've seen gossip get back to him before earlier in this case, have we not? I'm sorry I can't recall the details to go back and pull up the example.

 

[maskedwoman]

So someone already posted here the hunters found the skull - and additionally other remains? I have to wonder if it wasn't most of the skeleton of that poor girl. (Just hoping for as much evidence as possible so they can show cause of death and bury the dirtbags who did this under the penetentiary.)

News 5 from Nashville: http://www.jrn.com/newschannel5/new...obo-It-Will-Be-With-Me-Forever-274824611.html

Bless that man's heart. I don't even want to think about what was in that bucket but, since he can't discuss it, it's contents must be important to the case.

 

[maskedwoman]

Maybe its just me, but if I am a guy that has hundreds of acres of remote TN woods that 2 guys I h ave known my whole life, and its pretty much common knowledge that they are criminals, and they hang out in my woods on a regular basis, and they get charged with kidnapping and murder and everyone in the state is looking hi and low for the victim, I mean the 1st or 2nd thing I am doing is calling the sheriff and saying, "hey you know them guys you arrested for Holly's murder...they hung out in my woods all the time, why don't you come search them to make sure they didn't bury her here" . I mean this guys statement he makes it seem like he is so shocked she has been there all along...so much so they close the business right. I mean your kidding me its the first time the thought ever crossed his mind...hmm my BS detector is going off. I can say one thing for certain, i am staying the heck out of TN. If I was TBI I would be checking this guy out real close. Just my 2 cents.

Hey now, lots of us Tennesseans are really nice people.

I believe the guy that actually owns the business has white hair and is too old to have known these thugs "most of his life". I think they must be interviewing the younger, blonde guy who is either the owner's son or grandson. We don't really know anything about them, though, to judge them. It's possible that the actual owner didn't know they were riding back there. Maybe the younger guy knew and didn't say because he was afraid of what might happen if a fuss was made about it. I wouldn't have put it past that bunch to have burned the place down, frankly. Or it's possible the younger guy not only knows of them but is friends or acquaintances with them. Or maybe the younger guy just isn't real bright and didn't put the pieces together. We simply don't know.

 

[maskedwoman]

2 gal. Sheetrock bucket...

So double a one gallon paint bucket. That's not very big. Perhaps the bucket contained her personal effects?

 

[SteveS]

Anything the witnesses say to the media can easily get back to ZA and his boys in prison, and he can change his testimony. We've seen gossip get back to him before earlier in this case, have we not? I'm sorry I can't recall the details to go back and pull up the example.

That would be an issue if LE was allowed to hide the facts from ZA. But they aren't, as the disclosure laws require them to provide the defendant with every piece of evidence that could pertain to the case.

 

[maskedwoman]

Okay, anyone who is thinking of calling me a liberal to my face better be able to run a lot faster than I can, LOL, but I don't blame TBI for not wanting Mr. Stone to give interviews. In general, I think it's a bad idea for anyone who is obviously going to be an important material witness in a murder trial to give in-depth interviews. If they mis-speak at all, or what they say is poorly edited, it could wreck the value of their testimony.

Now, if the TBI went straight to intimidation without giving the guy a chance to see things their way and keep quiet voluntarily, yes, that is wrong. Period. Mr. Stone finding Holly's remains does not automatically make him perfect. It certainly sounds like it affected the man, and it would certainly deeply affect me. But, for all we know, the TBI did nicely ask him not to give interviews and he was planning on doing it anyway. IF that's the case, then I think they would have been justified in twisting his arm. Yes, it's also possible that the TBI acted like jerks when they didn't need to. I certainly hope not, but we don't know. Either way, I am not going to rush to label either party as being an angel or devil based on the paraphrasing of a single reporter. I am very confident of one thing: that single situation (however it really happened) is most certainly not proof that all cops are the jack-booted thugs.

 

[stillwatersc]

So double a one gallon paint bucket. That's not very big. Perhaps the bucket contained her personal effects?

Maybe clothing or bloodied clothing. Possibly LE doesn't want Larry Stone to publicize it out of respect for the family and Holly. The facts can come out at a later time after Holly has been laid to rest and the family has had time to process the new information. The public doesn't need every salacious detail immediately.

 

[~Lyric~]

Thanks IHNC. I agree 2 gal. bucket is common. They do make 5 gallon ones for construction people. We don't do drywall so, I only know how a contruction crew would do it. I'd say a 2 gal. bucket points more towards a home owner. There are articles of the guy saying it was a large bucket. That's what got me. 2 gallon buckets of mud or whatever are short. Large is 5 gallon. If I have to measure the heigth tomorrow, I will for you guys. Google images have plenty of examples.

I'd just like to get the large or 2 gallon bucket defined.

They make all kinds of buckets. I have several 5 gallon buckets. Pickles come in green ones, many food grade buckets are 5 gallon. I don't have any 2 gallon buckets. To be quite honest when I read from the newschannel 5 report, it said large and that was what I thought of at first.
Many farmers will have them as well, going to their gardens to gather their produce. I see them at farmers markets as well.
They get thrown away all the time.

 

[~Lyric~]

Maybe clothing or bloodied clothing. Possibly LE doesn't want Larry Stone to publicize it out of respect for the family and Holly. The facts can come out at a later time after Holly has been laid to rest and the family has had time to process the new information. The public doesn't need every salacious detail immediately.

When I read what Mr. Stone had to say, in it was telling to me. Just for my piece of mind and for all of us... I will not share what I think, because really it is quite disturbing. I would not want for Holly's family to read all the details, it will be bad enough when this finally all goes to trial.

On the other hand. For LE asking him not to tell. Once a person makes a statement, and then starts talking to much, sharing, words start to change in the telling and then the Defense Team will tear it apart.

Mr. Stone and Mr. Robbins will have to testify to what they were doing, to what led them to what they found. Keep it simple.

My Opinion of Course.

 

[Leader6518]

Well, let's think about this for a minute.

1) The newly elected D.A. just stated that he had overwhelming evidence to prove their guilt, but finding her body helped a lot.

2) The guys that committed this crime already know what is at the crime scene. You see, they were there themselves, they know what was found.
You aren't going to tell them anything they don't already know.

3) The defense attorneys will be privy to any and all evidence, to date, through the discovery process by law. So it isn't like the prosecutor is going to spring all kinds of surprises on the defense come trial time. That's what the discovery process is for.

So just what is it exactly at this point that would put the case in jeopardy ?

Is the case really so weak that a good samaritan voicing what he found that day is going to allow these guys to walk ?

If the case against these guys is as strong as they have portrayed, what exactly is it that they are so afraid of ?

It's not that the perps don't know what would be at the scene, it is that they, and only the perps, WOULD know. That is how LE discovers guilty parties is by what they say in interviews and to others about the crime. If I knew Holly had a textbook and no one else did, LE could ask me questions to get me to reveal something about the placement or a detail that only the person responsible would know.

 

[cocomod]

Overly - way overly - conservative here!!

Just think about it this way, if he went on record and told the world what was in that bucket, or what other evidence he may have seen, there would be NO chance of getting one of these evil creatures to turn on the other. We also know that there are others that may be involved. We know that it is quite possible that Holly was held for some time, that she was raped on camera, and that they may have - and likely did - torture her to some degree (obviously rape is torture).

The evidence in that bucket could make a HUGE difference in possibly getting someone to plead rather than the expense of a trial. Now, I would rather go with a trial if they have a slam dunk death penalty case. However, we know that the state could and might take a plea to save on the expense of a trial and subsequent appeals. And, to take a plea, they usually make the perps confess everything of their crime. If the perps do not know which evidence the prosecutors have, and they lie about some instance in their confession, they could be in trouble for that. At this time, I do not want to know everything that LE knows. I don't believe in police brutality or intimidation; however, it is important to possibly make someone understand the importance of keeping quiet when they want to tell the world their story. JMHO of course! :moo:

 

[Steleheart]

Just speculation here;

Based on some things we know - SA had an immunity deal and DA had talked to LE about what he knew - Whatever they said, LE went whole hog on the search of the Adams property. They turned up 'something' that convinced the Bobos that Holly was dead, and convinced the DA there was enough for a charge of Murder in the first degree. Maybe it was teeth or clothing, maybe it was evidence of prior decomp in the 'hole', but it could not be based on statements from 2 questionable criminals alone IMO. The immunity deal fell apart and has not been resolved so that part was no slam dunk IMO.

Based on those factors it is plausible that DA and SA knew she had been buried there. If SA and/or DA seemed skittish or unstable to ZA and JA they may have decided to move the remains in case either of those 2 decided to talk and just not tell them. They could have done this at any time and not necessarily recently IMO. It would have been quite easy if she had been buried in a tarp. Take it out, open it up and scatter it where no one goes.

This would explain why ZA used the 'hole' in his jailhouse threat toward DA, since DA did not know she was moved.
This would also explain why SA's deal fell apart and has not been resolved - because he, in fact, told the truth 'as he knew it'.

If I were Mr. Stone, living in that county, all I would need to see under that bucket would be a pink shirt and then find a skull behind me to think "this is Holly Bobo". We don't know what's in the bucket, but my knowing would do nothing for this investigation, for the trials or for the Bobo family.

All of the above is speculation only.



:cow:

 

[Arnie M]

Here is a reason Police ask Mr Stone not to give interviews ..... Police have seen the remains and evidence , yet they do not go public with all the details .... it is important information that should only be revealed at the trial .... I think that makes sense to all of us

With that in mind , it should also make sense for the hunters to remain silent , they have also seen the evidence , and it is only proper that they do not tell the whole world what they saw ... it should come out at the trial instead of the daily newspapers or gossip columns etc..

best wishes

 

[Renee110]

I've never posted to this thread even though I know some of the Bobo's and live pretty close. You couldn't go to a store or restaurant without her flyers and ribbons posted. I'm glad that she was found and the one's responsible will pay.

Here is something I saw on the news tonight. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-charged-holly-bobo-case-denies-video-fears-safety-n201566

 

[shefner]

I am thankful for the upside-down bucket. Maybe it preserved more evidence since what was inside was somewhat protected from the elements.....

 

[Foxfire]

I am thankful for the upside-down bucket. Maybe it preserved more evidence since what was inside was somewhat protected from the elements.....

Just curious;
'Why would a perp go to the trouble of relocating remains of an abduction/murder victim in a five gallon bucket, leave the bucket upside down to protect the contents from the elements, and then later possibly be discovered by hunters or other outdoors persons'?

 

[shefner]

Just curious;
'Why would a perp go to the trouble of relocating remains of an abduction/murder victim in a five gallon bucket, leave the bucket upside down to protect the contents from the elements, and then later possibly be discovered by hunters or other outdoors persons'?

I don't think the remains were in the bucket. But nevertheless, Foxfire, I think these guys are the most arrogant, self-centered, cocky bunch of criminals around. I really don't think they worried much about Holly being found. I'm sure they were somewhat concerned but not much. The bucket might have marked the spot...or perhaps ZA went out there to look over his conquest while sitting on the bucket feeling proud of himself. I really don't know. Whatever was in the bucket, I know it must have been of substance since the hunters aren't allowed to tell us what was in it...yet they freely told us about the skull and other remains.

I have also considered how easy it would be to removed a corpse from a well for relocation. I think that would be very hard to do. So I'm not sure that is what happened.

What is your speculation, Foxfire?

 

[Foxfire]

I don't think the remains were in the bucket. But nevertheless, Foxfire, I think these guys are the most arrogant, self-centered, cocky bunch of criminals around. I really don't think they worried much about Holly being found. I'm sure they were somewhat concerned but not much. The bucket might have marked the spot...or perhaps ZA went out there to look over his conquest while sitting on the bucket feeling proud of himself. I really don't know. Whatever was in the bucket, I know it must have been of substance since the hunters aren't allowed to tell us what was in it...yet they freely told us about the skull and other remains.
I have also considered how easy it would be to removed a corpse from a well for relocation. I think that would be very hard to do. So I'm not sure that is what happened.

What is your speculation, Foxfire?

Many times sexual predators/serial killers will mark their ritual grounds when in unfamiliar geographical areas for revisiting their victims months or years later. Doubt this is the motive in this case since the ZA, JA, and associates were familiar with the area. Imo, the remains were relocated in an attempt of deflection, and due to the paranoia/fear of being spotted, or hearing a nearby vehicle approaching; LE, DNR. landowner, etc. The remains were hastily deposited in the plastic bucket where located by the ginseng hunters...jmo
A nearby swamp was mentioned in one of the recent msm articles. It is common for experienced predators to place victims near swamps due to the dense scavenger population.

As careful as serial killer Israel Keyes was to prevent leaving forensics at any of his crime scenes. The FBI was able to lift a fingerprint from the 5 gallon bucket of one of his many hidden/buried kill kits. Hopefully prints or other forensics can be located from the bucket in this case..
FBI - Photo of Bucket/Israel Keyes
http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/201...serial-killer-case/photo-gallery-israel-keyes

 

[lisette]

Would the well on ZA's property be one that possibly had a bucket that went down into it? Surely, though, they wouldn't be stupid enough to use that very bucket to move the remains? or whatever else was in it?