HOW does the State Prove it was not George?

[SeekingJana]

Maybe we all have Anthony fatigue.
Or Baez fatigue.
Or both.
I don't want to hear their case either, they surpassed my tolerance for malicious BS a long time ago...

My distaste, shall I say, is so strong for the DT and ICA that I don't think I can sit through more than the TH shows on HLN, etc.

The revulsion has grown day by day.. HHJBP is the ONLY reason I would watch. I just love that man!

 

[katydid23]

It can be proven by the cell pings that day and the fact that George was at work. When she left the home she was tracked by her phone and her father was already at work, after that when did he get the chance?

I was really happy to see the work time cards being admitted today because those will come in handy when the DT tries to nail down their theory. [ IF THEY EVER DO.] Did the cell ping maps get admitted also?

 

[sparkysmom]

I think (and hope) this whole DT strategy of throwing GA under bus backfires on them, and the jury ends up realizing that this spoiled sociopath would stop at nothing to go free.

I get the impression that she is enjoying putting her parents, especially her mother, through this fiasco.

 

[Scamperoo]

It appears that the main defense strategy will be GEORGE DID IT. And Kronk helped at the end. And Cindy left the ladder up...

They are even going to imply that George is framing Casey because he was abusing Caylee and did not want to be exposed, imo.

So does the state have any solid evidence that can prove his innocence and her guilt?

Their 'evidence' :

George had control of the duct tape.

He had keys to the Pontiac.

He had access to all of the burial items.

He knew about the burial site.

He attempted suicide.

He did not call LE when he left the tow yard.

He had no response when he first 'learned' about Caylee being missing.

He went secretly to LE and gave incriminating evidence about Casey.

Casey has all the symptoms of abuse survivor.

Sorry but

George is NOT on trial here Casey is, I could go down this list and debunk all of it but I'm really tired of having to do this time after time.

All of these points have been explained except he knew the burial site, which I have never seen stated before and quite frankly do not believe.

Please excuse me I don't want to sound upset but this just irked me a little.

 

[Ssejors]

Isn't the Security Guard for escorts usually called a Pimp?

No. Escorts are not hookers in the same sense. From what I know, escorts, private strippers most often have a guy who goes with them and just waits for them to be finished. He watches the guys and makes sure nothing gets out of hand, stag parties and the like. I like the previous poster's theory on this though. It makes sense. I know a guy who was a security guard, a bouncer, an escort guard and a few other strange jobs that involved watching after some strange characters. I only mention him because it seemed he liked that kind of work and i kinda get the impression that a lot of folks who work security type jobs really enjoy it and stick in that same style of work. So stands to reason if GA was once a cop, and a security guard, he may very well be hard up and take a job escorting escorts. <--- see what i did there! /kneeslapper

 

[Kat]

Lurker here. I just wanted to point out that George was employed as a security guard. The search for escort services came before the job applications. From what I understand, that with escort services, the woman has a "security guard" go with her. He drives her and stays in the car while she "escorts". Just another possibility to that search. With that much debt, he may have needed a job, any job.

:balloons: welcome bammy!

Congrats on post #1, I hope to read more posts of yours in the future

 

[strach304]

Not sure where to post this, but it does relate to the duct tape....After going back and reading much of the trial thread from today....I do feel the need to apologize for popping in and posting "Lee hid the duct tape"...then leaving. I was so shocked to hear HJBP when he read the stipulations to the jury about the news photos mention LA was running that command center that day.....I never knew this...I thought it was GA all along. So....the way I see it is that LA was the last person seen with THAT duct tape, .....now not sure he "hid" it, but it's prob at his home or in his car. I do apologize for not sticking around to answer those that thought I was being sarcastic.....I was really serious!

Everyone is looking for that duct tape. Why? A roll only goes so far. It was probably used up imo.They need to ask Lee where he got it I think. I'm sure it was the Anthony garage.

 

[Theonly1]

How does the State PROVE it was not George? Well, the State does not have to prove anyone did not do it but Casey. They are smart to keep their own case plan and not going off on a wild goose chase regarding the Defense's "theories". The State has eliminated George by showing he was at work during the likely time of murder/accident, showing that Casey (and only Casey) had control of the Sunfire during the dates in question, that while he lived at the residence and had access to the same duct tape, the same laundry bag liners, the same black plastic bags, that he did not have the motive to do in his little granddaughter. Furthermore, the crazy searches on Wikipedia and the computer were buttressed before and after by things CASEY was looking at on the internet. Over and above, which character is the biggest liar--a self-avowed liar? Miss Casey.

 

[ZsaZsa]

No. Escorts are not hookers in the same sense. From what I know, escorts, private strippers most often have a guy who goes with them and just waits for them to be finished. He watches the guys and makes sure nothing gets out of hand, stag parties and the like. I like the previous poster's theory on this though. It makes sense. I know a guy who was a security guard, a bouncer, an escort guard and a few other strange jobs that involved watching after some strange characters. I only mention him because it seemed he liked that kind of work and i kinda get the impression that a lot of folks who work security type jobs really enjoy it and stick in that same style of work. So stands to reason if GA was once a cop, and a security guard, he may very well be hard up and take a job escorting escorts. <--- see what i did there! /kneeslapper

Oh, you are much kinder than me!
Somehow I think GA was not looking for a job, but a different kind of 'escort'... he was very lonely in his marriage... for once he had some money from a Workers comp settlement and he got on the www to see what was out there for sale.

 

[katydid23]

Sorry but

George is NOT on trial here Casey is, I could go down this list and debunk all of it but I'm really tired of having to do this time after time.

All of these points have been explained except he knew the burial site, which I have never seen stated before and quite frankly do not believe.

Please excuse me I don't want to sound upset but this just irked me a little.

Well the real question is does the jury have the pertinent info to debunk all of these claims. I can debunk them too. I think Casey should be convicted of MURDER. But I know a lot more than this jury does because a lot has been held back.

And, when I said he 'knew' the burial site, what I meant was that he knew of that area, just like Casey did. NOT that he knew the body was there.

And I am concerned that the DT might be able to create some very reasonable doubt by throwing mud at George. imoo

 

[songline]

It appears that the main defense strategy will be GEORGE DID IT. And Kronk helped at the end. And Cindy left the ladder up...

They are even going to imply that George is framing Casey because he was abusing Caylee and did not want to be exposed, imo.

So does the state have any solid evidence that can prove his innocence and her guilt?

Their 'evidence' :

George had control of the duct tape.

He had keys to the Pontiac.

He had access to all of the burial items.

He knew about the burial site.

He attempted suicide.

He did not call LE when he left the tow yard.

He had no response when he first 'learned' about Caylee being missing.

He went secretly to LE and gave incriminating evidence about Casey.

Casey has all the symptoms of abuse survivor.

I am not believing what I am reading her :doh: the concept of GA did it, is insane, because if KC can blame him for being
inappropriate with her sexually, she sure would not hold back if he killed her child. This direction is nuts.

GEORGE IMHO definitely cleaned up for her, definitely made sure it would be impossible to convict her.
He tempered with all the evidence and frankly, I think he felt he lost one kid and was not going to lose the other.
I do think he put himself on the line, but as an ex LE, he knew exactly what to do, and how to play the game.
MO

 

[Theonly1]

How does the defense get from ICA "thinking dad may have messed with her", in a letter and considering what a liar she is to an actual accusation of abuse? This just does not seem right to me.

There is an episode of a British Sit com called Absolutely Fabulous that fits this nicely.

Edwina to her mother: "I'm starting suppressed false memory therapy; I'll get something on YOU yet!" "You in a wood in a hood...it's all coming back to me."

Exactly!

Kinda like Casey sitting in jail and penning [paraphrased], "I'm having dreams that Dad may have done something to me too."

 

[strach304]

I think (and hope) this whole DT strategy of throwing GA under bus backfires on them, and the jury ends up realizing that this spoiled sociopath would stop at nothing to go free.

I get the impression that she is enjoying putting her parents, especially her mother, through this fiasco.

After the defense tries to shred GA to bits in front of the jury I believe we will see the SA's teeth barred and claws come out. As one lawyer stated on NG with her known pitbull demeanor JA will have her looking like a terrier. If Casey takes the stand JA will destroy her. SA have been very soft, gentle and professional so far. After watching JA and JB goes nose to nose at that hearing I don't expect it to stay that way. Once the DT goes there with GA and imo they will it's going to get ugly.

IMO the state doesn't have to prove GA didn't do it. They charged Casey not GA. Remember in the jail video where Casey said Zanny had a key to the Anthony house? This is a perfect case of Casey switching stories once again to fit the evidence therefore, she has switched victims again. It's GA. He was home the morning of the 16th. CA was gone all day and Lee traveled. Was in Chicago I believe when Caylee died.

 

[Theonly1]

TRUE. But Jose fancies himself a hispanic Evil Kneivel. I think they are going to make a huge leap.

Thanks for that lovely image! LOL!:floorlaugh:

That one is destined to crash & burn.

 

[Adrienne37]

Ummm, we are talking here like once the prosecution rests, they rest. That's not true. Are we forgetting that there will be rebuttal witnesses?

 

[katydid23]

How does the State PROVE it was not George? Well, the State does not have to prove anyone did not do it but Casey. They are smart to keep their own case plan and not going off on a wild goose chase regarding the Defense's "theories". The State has eliminated George by showing he was at work during the likely time of murder/accident, showing that Casey (and only Casey) had control of the Sunfire during the dates in question, that while he lived at the residence and had access to the same duct tape, the same laundry bag liners, the same black plastic bags, that he did not have the motive to do in his little granddaughter. Furthermore, the crazy searches on Wikipedia and the computer were buttressed before and after by things CASEY was looking at on the internet. Over and above, which character is the biggest liar--a self-avowed liar? Miss Casey.

They did a great job of staying to their own case plan while they laid out their own case. But NOW the DT is going to lay out their case. It may be a wild goose chase, but the state is along for the ride because they have to cross examine these witnesses. They cannot ignore the accusations and implications and slurs that the DT is going to make.

And they have not yet totally proven that Casey and ONLY Casey had control of the Pontiac and control of the duct tape and burial items. NOR HAVE THEY PROVEN GEORGE WAS AT WORK BECAUSE THEY SET OUT NO TIMELINE OF THE MURDER YET. So the DT ids going to be able to do some major damage
imo. There is plenty of room for reasonable doubt imo. Sadly.

 

[strach304]

There is an episode of a British Sit com called Absolutely Fabulous that fits this nicely.

Edwina to her mother: "I'm starting suppressed false memory therapy; I'll get something on YOU yet!" "You in a wood in a hood...it's all coming back to me."

Exactly!

Kinda like Casey sitting in jail and penning [paraphrased], "I'm having dreams that Dad may have done something to me too."

Guess the seizures weren't working for her. She probably didn't know there are tests that can tell if you have had one.

 

[Just Jayla]

Their burden is to prove it was KC, not to prove a negative (that it was not George).

The state has already eliminated George, Cindy, Jesse, Amy, Ricardo, RK and on and on, over many many months of investigation. Ask JG about that, if ya don't remember, the state went out of their way to make sure it was not him, they dumped his entire life into our laps. They did pretty much the same to all, but because the defense has not pointed the finger at George previously, as they did to JG and RoyK, LE did not release their findings for future discovery. Do we not think that everyone's whereabouts were accounted for? Or that their pasts were reviewed? Of course there are limitations to that because we don't live in China (or Libya), you cannot strip peoples' liberty by digging into their private info without probable cause....but they looked at what they needed to look at based on what made sense, what KC told them, and what the evidence suggested.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

There is an episode of a British Sit com called Absolutely Fabulous that fits this nicely.

Edwina to her mother: "I'm starting suppressed false memory therapy; I'll get something on YOU yet!" "You in a wood in a hood...it's all coming back to me."

Exactly!

Kinda like Casey sitting in jail and penning [paraphrased], "I'm having dreams that Dad may have done something to me too."

BBM :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[Khaki_Pants]

Maybe I am just to tired at this point, but are there any transcriptions of the opening statements yet? I have looked all over the trial archives and just can't find it. There are some statements from JB that I want to key in on exactly and I don't want to watch the vid right now. Thanks in advance.

~Khaki