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I was just going to say, depending on the jurisdiction, judge, etc...It is not unusual at all to draft a proposed Order and include it when submitting the motion. Kind of a convenience/courtesy thing. Often the judge will sign the Order submitted. (I do NOT expect that to happen in this case at all.)

I'm just saying in your run-of-the-mill-non-capital-murder case, it is not unusual at all. More often than not, I attach one too.

Yeah...while earlier I made "fun" of the "courtesy attachment"....I thought it fair to post the 9th circuit standards.

It just hits my funny bone a wee bit when I know that this falls outside JB's SOP.

What is more interesting to me...is J. Lyons failure to comply with ALL JAC guidelines (billing increments, billing itemization, and possible multi license lump billing....intelli v peninsula....courthouse cell calls). I actually know someone who works for the FL. JAC. I may have to give em a call to satisfy my own personal questions. I would NEVER ask them about the case specifically as that would be highly UNETHICAL!!!!! As much as I'd love to ask.....I have TOO MUCH respect for the FL. legal system. That's just the way I ROLL.
 
Casey Defense Wants $12K More From Taxpayers
New Motion Asks For Approval Of 300 Investigative Hours
POSTED: 11:24 am EST January 20, 2011
UPDATED: 1:41 pm EST January 20, 2011
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Casey Anthony's defense team is asking Judge Belvin Perry to approve more taxpayer-funded investigative hours.

In a new motion, defense attorneys ask for approval of an additional 300 hours in the interest of "judicial economy."

Anthony was declared indigent in March, so a state agency now doles out money for her defense.

The state-approved rate is $40 per investigative hour, so if approved, the new request could mean an additional $12,000 in taxpayer money.

The defense said in the motion it is already 106.2 hours over what has been approved by the court. Defense attorneys note that prosecutors continue to submit new witness names and turn over discovery, both of which must be looked into.


READ: Defense Motion For More Hours
READ: Penalty Phase Funding Motion
READ: 20 TV Channels Casey Jurors Can Watch


http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/26557750/detail.html


What is meant by "judical economy" and why would they need money for that?



Justice for Caylee
 
9th Judicial Circuit
JUDGE BELVIN PERRY, JR. / DIVISION 02
------------------- Schedule for Monday, January 24, 2011 -------------------
4:00 pm 30 min Case: 48-2008-CF-15606-O- Motion: THIRD MOTION FOR ADDITIONAL HOURS OF INVESTIGATION AND MOTION FOR APPROVAL OF INVESTIGATIVE HOURS FOR THE PENALTY PHASE TA

STATE OF FLORIDA
LINDA DRANE-BURDICK

vs. CASEY MARIE ANTHONY
JOSE BAEZ


Notes: HEARING ROOM 2000.01 (Defendant does not need to be present for hearing)


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I'm guessing this is for the telephonic hearing.
 
I sure hope the judge finds out just exactly how far off the mark the defense's claim of relevant witnesses is.

If you were making a guess how much of the taxpayer's money was wasted on just this ONE TES volunteer?

Considering....
the amount the damn private investigator used to "look into", talk to ,
harass (whatever terms he wants to write on his bill I am sure are different than my take on it),
sending the subpoena,
the transcriptionist in the depo,
the legal secretary/paralegal work,
the State Assistant District Attorney's time,

all to wind up learing that a witness the defense listed as having relevant information turns out to only have driven by the spot on Suburban


how much money if you were making a wild guess did this waste? How much time did it waste? No wonder Judge Perry told the defense that there are lawyers out there making good money suing defense attorneys for money that they charged the taxpayers through the JAC! I don't know how much time he spends looking over the invoices they submit, but I sure am glad the JAC is looking at the invoices of the defense private investigators. This one about the drive by just screams out for a red flag.

I am positive it wasted more than the six hundred dollars Baez was fined. To think there are several witnesses they listed regarding TES, it could be thousands of dollars on nonsense. WOW. Shame on them!

What do we know about the LE investigating Jeremy Lyons for what the two Brett's reported about him trying to manupulate their understanding /testimony ( allegedly ) ? I want one of the local reporters to look into that!
 

IMO below are some examples of it :tsktsk:


Thanks sumbunny,

Calling this stuff handed over by the Defense to the Prosecution as "discovery" is using the term very loosely..IMO
Hopefully when to get to see what each item is..then we may ascertain it's value..IF any.

http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/26597698/detail.html
Jose Baez has turned over a hodgepodge of materials to the state as defense discovery evidence.

Items the Defense handed over to the Prosecution as Discovery

http://www.wesh.com/pdf/26597769/detail.html
Photos
1) 9 photos (numbered 5-13)
2) an undated photo of John Allen on Suburban
3) photo titled "new evidence" from CBS, no other identifying information
4) photo of ASA LDB, George and Ashton on Suburban Dr

Videos/Media
1) News story on Dominic Casey dated April 15, 2009 from WKMG Ch.6
2) video of Gale St John "blind drive"
3) video of psychic network show hosted by Gale St John
4) 2- WFTV stories on Krystal Holloway
5) 2-WFTV stores on Maya Derkovic
6) Video of OCSO Angelo Nieves on Suburban dr
7) WFTV video on River Cruz and Kalani, unknown date and time
8) Video of interview with Tim Miller, dated August 16, 2010
9) 39 news story including Tim Miller of August 16, 2010
10) WESH video report with Dr. Neal Haskell dated November 18, 2010

CV's and Background Check
1) Accreditation Cert. for Independent Forensic Services, The Netherlands
2) 9 page CV of Richard Eikelennbloom
3) Jan Garavaglia background report by Lexis Nexis
4) Neal Haskell background report by Lexis Nexis
5)Gary Utz background report by Lexis Nexis
 
http://www.wftv.com/video/25921351/index.html

How the defense is spending the money now that the taxpayers are footing the bill, sure is different than how they pinched pennies before!!! Did we ever see the document, the ABC contract, and the documents Baez forgot to bring to the indigency hearing? Did we ever find out for sure if it was him who brokered the deal?

Prosecutors Ask For Hearing On How Baez Is Getting Paid - Page 18 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

After all of his "I don't know, I didn't bring any documents with me. I would have to guess. I am not sure, I could look then bring the documents to the court", non answers about how he spent Casey Anthony's money....I sure don't trust him with the taxpayers money. I am thoroughly offended that Jeremy Lyon has charged thousands and thousands of dollars for harassing TES volunteers that are wholly irrelevant and were nowhere near Suburban Drive. Jose sure didn't do any work on TES documents for two years, until she was declared indigent! What in the world?

They have me with "Resistance" from Casey's relatives in Ohio, yet they want more money to go there and harass the folks too. Enough already. I am sure the state could feed many hungry children or contribute for the county hospital needs or anything at all rather than waste money like this. Good grief!

Wow....times haven't changed at all for the defense! They just never learn.

THIS IS FROM LAST YEAR BEFORE THE INDIGENCY HEARING!
Richard Horsby was calling for a thorough investigation from jump! I am glad the judge is holding a hearing, at least on the experts and the money!! Here is what Mr. Hornsby opined many, many months ago!

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Richard Hornsby: "Let me correct you Steph, the media has reported that Jose Baez will be paid 15K by the state. He will not.Regarding her being declared indigent for costs. Jose Baez will not be paid ANY MONEY, he is not court appointed. A private, retained attorney that tries to have his client declared indigent does not get paid for representation. The state will pick up costs for expenses such as investigations, expert witnesses, things other than attorney fees."

Host: What about the money that has already been paid out, over a hundred thousand?

RH: "There are two Affidavits have to be filled out to request your client be declared indigent, an affidavit for status of finances right now, second is an affidavit regarding the lawyer to say how much they have been paid and where that money came from.

If Baez has a financial conflict of interest, if he was somehow deceptive, if he made a profit off of the money and brokered all these deals, and meanwhile has pinched pennies on handling her expenses, if he somehow was deceptive about how he handled her money,it is a problem. He could absolutely be disbarred.It is very clear how he drafted the affidavit he had Casey sign was CLEARLY prepared to protect himself and protect the third party. Baez did not want to declare her indigent because it would have let the cat out of the bag, of who had paid that money. If Baez has mismanaged her money,if there is a conflict of interest, that is the real issue. Jose Baez may have to step down in this case."
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RH "Andrea Lyon knows that she cannot properly defend Casey while they are pinching pennies, so she likely forced his hand to declare her indigent."

"Jose has brokered all the deals and that creates a conflict of interest. He wasn't let in by the Florida bar for several years because he couldn't manage his money". He makes a profit off of how much he doesn't spend on other people, and if you notice he had all these people on the case pro bono,that is more he can keep for himself, it just seems so blatant! If this information comes to light, it could be a big problem. Understand, the only person who can complain about this is Casey Anthony, unless it comes out in the hearing.

RH" The concern is Casey will bring up this money mismanagement on appeal, for sure , she will say he pinched pennies, he tried to save money for himself, he delayed my trial, he did a bad job,because he was trying to cover his own butt."
Host : You lose a lot of business when you have a high profile client?

RH: " If Jose Baez would have handled this case right, it could have been the most lucrative case for him. When it first came out I had clients s coming to me, because he was quoting them astronomical fees. This could have been a gold mine for him. What has hurt him is he has become a clown, legal clown. He can't even get the margins right on his documents."


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RH: "He could be disbarred, if he wasn't using this money in Casey's best interest, if he didn't have her money in a trust account, if he was co-mingling the money, if he brokered these deals and managed her money yes, he absolutely could be disbarred."


RH " You cannot sell your clients rights, you cannot sell even yours, you cannot sell her media publication rights. It would be a conflict of interest. He cannot broker the deal and then manage the money. The only way it would have been anywhere close to ethical and within the rules would be if he got a sep. lawyer to come in and broker the deal and manage her money."

Host " The grandparents could get paid and then give the money to the defense, right?"

RH " That did not happen. The grandparents did not get paid these amounts. They have been deposed. They have been asked under oath how Jose Baez is being paid. They said they do not know. They denied it under oath. It was Casey Anthony or Jose Baez. If he brokered these deals it is unethical, it is against the rules.

The March 25th hearing was sealed. SOME MEDIA OUTLET NEEDS FILE A MOTION TO REQUEST THAT BE UNSEALED BECAUSE NOW THAT THE STATE IS GOING TO PAY, THE PUBLIC HAS THE RIGHT TO KNOW. (Mr. Hornsby is speaking of the time they all went into a side room with the judge for five minutes where Casey and Baez explained the source of the money.) That was sealed because they didn't want to disclose to the public how he was being paid.

Jose Baez hasn't spent money doing many depositions or anything else in the case. He has totally mismanaged this case from day one. Nothing at all was getting done until Andrea Lyon came into the case, nothing. Think about it, the less money he spends, the more money he makes."

RH "She was only in three places, jail ,home confinement and his office, so it had to happen on his watch. We do not have to speculate.



THE J A C , they manage all the state funds, they attend all the hearings, are going to look into this in a perfunctory way, as usual, normally they appear by phone .They are not going to know the background of this case. So, unless someone brings them up to speed, they are not going to be well informed about these issues, they wont know that Baez had a secret hearing that was sealed. They aren't going to know Jose Baez has all of these financial problems. Unless Judge Strickland wants to take the bull by its horn and bust this open for them, all they will see is the paperwork and maybe it will get past them."

RH "As a taxpayer it really makes me mad."

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[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=125971"]2011.01.24: Hearing Will Address Request For Investigative Hours - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]


http://www.wftv.com/video/25921351/index.html

Most of the money the PI has billed for was for TES searchers!
"The defense is playing fast and loose with the taxpayer's money" Bill Sheaffer said.
 
<<<<<snipped article for purpose>>>>>
After citing the thousands of pages of discovery documents released, defense attorney Jose Baez said, "We have to review each and every document."

But Assistant State Attorney Linda Drane Burdick said, "There's no new discovery that requires a lot of additional investigation. A lot of it is in the form of rebuttal."

In the end, Perry granted the 300 hours, which includes 106.2 hours already worked, in the interest of justice and getting the case prepared for trial in May, he said

The approval of 300 hours of investigative time is worth about $12,000.


Last week, the Justice Administrative Commission, which handles the state funding, confirmed that Casey Anthony's defense had billed the state $64,973.99. Of that, $41,654.69 has been paid out. Investigative and court-appointed mitigation specialist work accounts for the largest portion of the billings to date.

The public funding follows more than $275,000 in private funding that was raised for Casey Anthony's defense before she was declared indigent.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...egree-murder-case-casey-anthony-penalty-phase
 
http://www.wftv.com/video/25003334/index.html I guess we now know that indeed the defense never did search for Zanny, no bills for it, right? In the above interview Kathi asks them about this. Kathi Belich: "Didn't you say she would be found guilty?" Cheney Mason said: "I don't recall making any such statement"



Q. Has Casey helped you find Zenaida Gonzalez?
A. (no response)


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Ms. Sims....she will be at the Frye hearing I assume, but has she been sitting in on the Oakridge Labs, Body Farm, etc videos?
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http://www.wftv.com/video/25004330/index.html

I hope he was kidding but in a recent hearing Jose told the judge that now that the state has released the voluminous pages of Casey's letters she received in jail the defense was going to have to look into investigate each and every one of those people. Does anyone recall which hearing that was and if you have it can you post it for me, please?

The TES searchers, was a big enough stretch, but if he literally has the PI going to try to interview these odd random folks I do think the judge will laugh him out of the courtroom next request. Laugh is what Cheney did when Judge Perry asked him did he know about the one prisoner who had written the court and asked to be a witness. Mr. Mason joked, yeah, I bet he wants to get out of KP...we are not interested. So if one letter writer who claims to have knowledge of the true killer is obvious bunk....then surely the marriage proposal dudes do not need to be investigated.

I wonder how much money was wasted on sending Mort and Jeremy to go interview Kronk's ex wives. Did they bill the state for that? The did those interviews in person not by skype, right? In this age of technology, I do not understand why the defense sends the PI anywhere on the plane rather than skype the interviews.

I also want to understand more about the defesne experts and their billing. Why did the state have to pay for Henry Lee's thousands when he was publicly announced to be on the case pro bono? Are the experts being paid for the literal costs of runing their equipment, running the tests, the costs of the actual materials or are they presenting bills for their time? Did we ever find out if the state reimbursed the experts for their travel to Orlando in the summer?

Since Jose , in the words of Jeff Ashton, "Feigned ignorance" to the fact that of course the state is going to look into rebutting the defense experts and witnesses, as they complete depos and learn thing that will need to be addressed at trial ( hello..... the entire reason for doing the depos in the first place ),
http://www.wesh.com/r/26599708/detail.html
I honestly do not put it past him to claim that they need to interview the troubled folks that wrote the letters. There just seems to be no limit to what he will pretend he does not understand.
http://www.wftv.com/video/25949344/index.html
http://www.wftv.com/video/25949991/index.html
http://www.wftv.com/video/25921351/index.html
 
O/T slightly. Aren't we expecting a document dump shortly? I believe they mentioned end of the month? Does anyone know anything more about what we expect to see?
 
http://www.wftv.com/video/25003334/index.html I guess we now know that indeed the defense never did search for Zanny, no bills for it, right? In the above interview Kathi asks them about this. Kathi Belich: "Didn't you say she would be found guilty?" Cheney Mason said: "I don't recall making any such statement"



Q. Has Casey helped you find Zenaida Gonzalez?
A. (no response)


__________________
Ms. Sims....she will be at the Frye hearing I assume, but has she been sitting in on the Oakridge Labs, Body Farm, etc videos?
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http://www.wftv.com/video/25004330/index.html

I hope he was kidding but in a recent hearing Jose told the judge that now that the state has released the voluminous pages of Casey's letters she received in jail the defense was going to have to look into investigate each and every one of those people. Does anyone recall which hearing that was and if you have it can you post it for me, please?

The TES searchers, was a big enough stretch, but if he literally has the PI going to try to interview these odd random folks I do think the judge will laugh him out of the courtroom next request. Laugh is what Cheney did when Judge Perry asked him did he know about the one prisoner who had written the court and asked to be a witness. Mr. Mason joked, yeah, I bet he wants to get out of KP...we are not interested. So if one letter writer who claims to have knowledge of the true killer is obvious bunk....then surely the marriage proposal dudes do not need to be investigated.

I wonder how much money was wasted on sending Mort and Jeremy to go interview Kronk's ex wives. Did they bill the state for that? The did those interviews in person not by skype, right? In this age of technology, I do not understand why the defense sends the PI anywhere on the plane rather than skype the interviews.

I also want to understand more about the defesne experts and their billing. Why did the state have to pay for Henry Lee's thousands when he was publicly announced to be on the case pro bono? Are the experts being paid for the literal costs of runing their equipment, running the tests, the costs of the actual materials or are they presenting bills for their time? Did we ever find out if the state reimbursed the experts for their travel to Orlando in the summer?

Since Jose , in the words of Jeff Ashton, "Feigned ignorance" to the fact that of course the state is going to look into rebutting the defense experts and witnesses, as they complete depos and learn thing that will need to be addressed at trial ( hello..... the entire reason for doing the depos in the first place ),
http://www.wesh.com/r/26599708/detail.html
I honestly do not put it past him to claim that they need to interview the troubled folks that wrote the letters. There just seems to be no limit to what he will pretend he does not understand.
http://www.wftv.com/video/25949344/index.html
http://www.wftv.com/video/25949991/index.html
http://www.wftv.com/video/25921351/index.html


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I listened to the tape.One thing really hit me.Has anyone noticed how clearly C.M. speaks? No mumbling!! I think the mumbles are a put on!:banghead:
 
O/T slightly. Aren't we expecting a document dump shortly? I believe they mentioned end of the month? Does anyone know anything more about what we expect to see?
This Friday we're expecting a document dump.
 
Thank you MM! :loveyou:

Wow, the defense has the nerve to ask for expedited transcripts for the Anthony's jail visits 2.5 years later? :banghead:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/7167451...Request-for-Transcription-Services---Anthonys

Aren't there already transcripts of pretty much all of the jail visits floating around in the vast discovery docs? Or am I misremembering? Since these are not sworn depositions I would imagine that someone has typed them up, and the defense could use any printout or copy for their research purposes?
 
Thank you MM! :loveyou:

Wow, the defense has the nerve to ask for expedited transcripts for the Anthony's jail visits 2.5 years later? :banghead:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/7167451...Request-for-Transcription-Services---Anthonys
The way I read it, they want expedited transcripts for the TES witness they just deposed.

The jail visits is just a standard JAC Motion (and we know it is needed with this bunch ;)), the Judge has to approve before they pay and they will only pay standard rate.

JAC Response to Request for Transcription Services - WFL (Thanks Muzikman :rocker: )

Aren't there already transcripts of pretty much all of the jail visits floating around in the vast discovery docs? Or am I misremembering? Since these are not sworn depositions I would imagine that someone has typed them up, and the defense could use any printout or copy for their research purposes?
Don't they need an official transcript if they won't to use it during a hearing? My bet is they want to quote from it during the upcoming hearing in March about their 'Agents of the State' Motion.
 

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