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As I said, damned if she did, damned if she didn't.
Damned that she made a ridiculous circus out of it,knowing they got NADA on him.
As I said, damned if she did, damned if she didn't.
Murri Flower,...
Yes, that was the point I tried to make, "not being able to be excluded" is hardly a "match". There would be hundreds of thousands of people who would fit in that category.
Well, I don't think whether she "liked" him or not is really the point. Perhaps she had other reasons not to want him to be guilty.
Tapping forehead is what I've been doing recently also.
I'm up to further up now with you guys.
You are so fond of Occams Razor, until it looks like shaving too close to RDI.
Some nutcase is found who reckons he did it and you can't wait to see him walk, cause it'd interfere with your linching of the Rs.
This case is in such lousy shape because of lousy policework, caused by an incorrect assumption that the parents were the murderers.
Everyone here is blind to anything they don't believe,
but I think it's unfair to accuse me of being unwilling to consider other possibilities --
I've looked at every angle I can think of so far trying to find a solution to this crime.
Not able to exclude is not the same thing as matched.
Too late, I already did.
Not luck, EVIDENCE!!
This is not what RDI wants everyone to believe. The truth is that there was no legitimate reason, whatsoever, for JMK to be brought back to the USA.
If you read his confession, the arrest warrant, and the transcript of ML's news conference relating to Karr, you will see that it was a baseless arrest.
What he described with JBR was a pack of lies.
What he was doing in Thailand had nothing at all to do with JBR.
No, there were outstanding misdemeanor charges (insufficient for extradition,) but the US arrest warrant charged him with murder, kidnapping and sexual assault of a child (JBR.)
Pretty much everyone did, she was eviscerated in the press, and rightly so.
The little girl's memory and the loved ones who survive her deserve knowing and peace, not this.
That the first time John Mark Karr ever steps foot in Boulder County will be the day Mary Lacy flies him in, well, that is simply sad and embarrassing. Not funny at all.
Rocky Mountain News 8/19/06, Bill Johnson
Facing a whirlwind of criticism since dropping the case after DNA testing eliminated Karr as a suspect
Bringing Karr from Thailand to Los Angeles and then to Boulder has been widely criticized - even by the governor
She said she has personally taken angry phone calls from Boulder County citizens and returned the call of a Longmont man who said she should resign and be "tarred and feathered and run out of town."
http://www.denverpost.com/jonbenet/ci_4258075
Gov. Bill Owens has already called for her resignation for having "wasted thousands of taxpayer dollars" on "the most extravagant and expensive DNA test in Colorado history."
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_4257909
There is nothing brave or heroic about Lacy steadfastly working toward her longstanding goal of exonerating the Ramseys at all cost.
The following are excerpts from Lacys news conference:
Mary Lacy: I want to make it absolutely clear up front that the decisions were mine, the responsibility is mine and I should be held accountable for all decisions in this case.
Mary Lacy: We took surreptitious DNA on multiple occasions. Immediately upon locating this person - who went to mailboxes to pick up a package that we sent to him., two different officers took DNA off of the bicycle that he rode back. On a separate occasion, they obtained a cup that he used to drink from and a tissue or wipe that he used to wipe his hands. The bottom line is that after we did that, our expert - and we put a great deal of respect in our expert from the Denver lab - said that the sample in the underwear of the victim was a mixed sample and that we do not want to compare a mixed sample with a mixed sample. We need a pristine sample.
Reporter: So bottom line, you had no evidence when he stepped off the plane in Boulder? You had absolutely no evidence other than his bizarre e-mails which you agree that a person could have concocted. Thats the only thing you had that would place him in this crime scene.. In other words, you had nothing essentially - other than his statements?
Mary Lacy: We had probable cause to arrest him based on our having tested other statements within the e-mails and the telephone calls. Which is typically how we test credibility in someone - are they prone to lying about other things in their lives? Because if theyre lying about other things, theyre probably lying about this too.
Carol McKinley: So what was different about this guy - as opposed to some of the other guys whom we know you seriously looked at in the past nine and a half years. What was so different about this guy and why was the arrest made on him and not the others?
Mary Lacy: Well the difficulty with this person is that.. Uh.. Most of the time when you look at what a person tells you they committed the crime and heres how they did it, you can discount it almost immediately. Uhm its not just that its bizarre but there are factors in it where you can say this person is just dead wrong. And most of the time that happens - Id say 95% of the time. Occasionally someone contacts us who appears to be a little more serious. In this case, because he believed it himself and continues to believe, he had all of the emotional .. Uhm import that you would have when Did anyone have an opportunity to listen to the telephone calls of the 15th July and the 22nd of July? The man is sobbing as hes telling his story. He cant talk, he goes away from the phone, he comes back. He has the psychopathy, the background that you would expect or look for in a person whos committed a crime of this nature. This was an extremely violent crime. So when you combine the psychopathy and his statements and his emotional import and his knowledge of the crime and his knowledge of the family. We spent time with John and Patsy Ramsey and something that John Ramsey said to me was that and he read the e-mails - had read them previously, He said This person has personal knowledge of these family members. His description of the Paugh women is right on. He said I dont know how you would know that, you wouldnt see it from the outside.. he said His description of JonBenet and Burke and how they related to each other . he said Its dead on. He knows .. So Johns take on it was you need to pay attention to this and this was back in May of this year.
Man: Would you do it all again?
Mary Lacy: You know, I think that we felt that we could not ignore this, we had to follow it, we also had an issue that we havent talked about is that there was a real public safety concern here directed at a particular child and a person who was expressing feelings toward that child the same as the feelings he felt towards the dead child and I have to tell you that was a huge factor in what how this occurred in this particular case.
Mary Lacy Press Conference Re: John Mark Karr, 08/29/06
To recap, MLs reasons for bringing JMK back to the USA:
DR. LARRY KOBILINSKY, FORENSIC EXAMINER: Well, like many other people I'm somewhat shocked but I'm not shocked that he was let off the hook. I'm shocked that apparently the D.A. Mary Lacy did not have anything of any substance that connected him to the victim or the crime scene.
- They needed a pristine sample of his DNA. FALSE
She was gambling and I hate to use the word bungling but the case was bungled from the beginning, as we all know. The crime scene wasn't handled properly and, again here, you know, I think they really should have waited until they had some kind of physical evidence before they arrested this individual.
And I don't buy it. I don't buy that they couldn't take surreptitious DNA. It's done many times here in the states. People get convicted on that basis. I don't buy it.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0608/28/lkl.01.html
How could ML say this nonsense with a straight face? Oh wait a minute, I forgot, because shes ML.
- Could not find evidence of untruthfulness in his correspondence with Tracey. FALSE
Seriously, if she cannot see there are factors in it where you can say this person is just dead wrong then she is quite simply blind.
Just two examples of errors which I noted previously:
Karr said he waited until he believed all occupants of the home were asleep then entered into JonBenets bedroom obtained her from her bed as she was sleeping and carried the sleeping child down a stairwell into a basement level room. Within the room JonBenet was placed on his lap and he spoke with her and stroked her hair.
Karr added he placed underwear or "knickers" onto JonBenet that he brought with him. The underwear brought by Karr was several sizes too large for JonBenet.
http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/thesmokinggun.com/newworld/johnkarr.pdf
Taking advice from a primary suspect in a murder case is ridiculous.
- John Ramsey said, You need to pay attention to this
Karr in Thailand was Thailands problem. Authorities could have been tipped off and Im certain that a Thai prison would have done wonders for Karr.
- He was grooming a girl in Thailand.
To conclude, they flew JMK back to the USA, first class, when there was no physical evidence connecting him to the crime and with no evidence that he was ever in Boulder, much less in the Ramsey home. This is in addition to a "confession" that was riddled with inaccuracies.
There is nothing brave or heroic about Lacy steadfastly working toward her longstanding goal of exonerating the Ramseys at all cost.
As I said, damned if she did, damned if she didn't. I like it that she chose the road that kept a child safe, even if it meant she was vilified for it. That showed guts.
Would you be so charitable if you knew how badly she performed in another case with a dead child?
Not only that, but she put other children at risk by bringing him here. Then, because they had NO evidence against him, they had to release him. He remains free in this country, where he is reported to have had a sex-change or at least is living as a woman. He was also reported to be trying to amass a group of JB "clones" that he can have control over.
This guy gives me the creeps- always has, always will.
He will kill a little girl one day.
FOUR YEARS of correspondence saying that he dun it. http://jonbenetramsey.pbworks.com/w/page/11682486/John-Mark-Karr
Look under Incriminating Evidence.
He was teaching little children in a school where he really had no place to be for goodness sake! Grooming another little girl and telling Tracey about it!! Nothing to do with JBR I suppose but everything to do with possessing kiddi *advertiser censored* (the charge he fled the US for) and an admitted pedophile, lining up his next victim. Apparently the school was awake up to his behaviour and was about to terminate his employment, meaning that he could disappear again and this time maybe for good. So rather than seeking attention, he was actually trying to avoid detection. A bit unusual for a false confessor doncha think?
Well for what it's worth (and I'm thinking to RDI that would be less than very little) I think she did the right thing and only thing she could in the circumstances.
Well, you can't be arrested even in Thailand for something you haven't yet done I don't suppose. BUT if the US authorities had their attention drawn to a US citizen (already wanted in the USA on kiddie *advertiser censored* charges) who had confessed to a murder of one child in the USA and was telling somone he was grooming another child in Thailand, and did nothing about it, then that would be criminal.
It really sticks in your craw that he was flown back first class doesn't it??
He apparently told an investigator "If you don't let me plead guilty, how will you feel? How will you live with yourself when I kill a little girl?" Inaccuracies apparently crept into the confession, but in his correspondence with Tracey, everything he said about himself that was checkable was correct. This is one reason they believed he was telling the truth initially.
Haven't you considered that JMK played the odds and won? He had nothing to do with JBR or her death. Rather than giving thanks to ML, I would consider the fact that JMK is here, in the US, a monster, with the potential and propensity to hurt another child.
Where ever he was there would be that risk.