IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #17

[nursebeeme]

knock it off now

sleuthing a witness? Has the witness been named a person of interest? If not police your own posts please and thank you. Also, I have removed several posts that continue to bash the families of these two girls. This is unacceptable.

:nurse:

 

[Marilynilpa]

Again....
LE has had over 5 (FIVE ) weeks to
gather information, to gather evidence, to test
evidence, to search for the little girls and to
find a POI and even make an arrest.

IF LE had a clue where the girls were ---LE would have rescued them.
You can bet on that.

If LE had a poi in mind he'd either be watched like a hawk or arrested.
LE would not take a chance of the creep running free and abducting AGAIN.

I'm beginning to think LE has nada.
Time will tell.
IMO

While I am frustrated over the lack of activity, I don't see it as LE not having a clue as to where the girls are, nor do I see it as LE not having a POI in mind. We all like to delve into these cases and try to figure out what is going on, but we aren't LE. We only have access to the info LE wants us to know about. We shouldn't make the mistake of assuming that LE has told us everything. JMO

 

[GrainneDhu]

Unless a judge has found just cause to terminate a parents rights, I feel children most certainly do need their parents, even if the contact needs to be supervised by a neutral 3rd party or even just by phone.

There's research that backs up your feelings, too.

Children have better outcomes if they have some sort of contact, even with abusive parents. As you say, it may only be strictly supervised contact but, in general, children seem to do better with it.

There are always individual exceptions of course.

 

[nursebeeme]

knock it off now

sleuthing a witness? Has the witness been named a person of interest? If not police your own posts please and thank you. Also, I have removed several posts that continue to bash the families of these two girls. This is unacceptable.

:nurse:

I am closing this thread for a few minutes... everyone go back to page one and review the rules for a bit.

 

[nursebeeme]

Please remember the following when discussing the case:
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No one has been named by LE or MSM as a POI or suspect in this case.
The parents, whatever you may personally think about them, have not been named.
That means that they, and their families, their neighbors, and their friends and "associates," are not to be sleuthed or badmouthed.

bumping this up.. and this warning lands at random: several more posts that involved sleuthing the family have been removed just from today alone. From this point forth if you sleuth the family or post speculation about them you will be put on the timeout list. The rules are easy to follow. If you have any questions about them please pm a moderator. Again, this lands at random.

 

[nursebeeme]

knock it off now

sleuthing a witness? Has the witness been named a person of interest? If not police your own posts please and thank you. Also, I have removed several posts that continue to bash the families of these two girls. This is unacceptable.

:nurse:

opening it back up now... but unbelievable all the sleuthing of witnesses to the alleged kidnapping. They have NOT been named persons of interest nor have the family and we are going to respect them for what they have done so far as we know it: which is witness a possible crime and come forward and tell what they know about it. If this changes in the future the rules will change.

 

[Tucarra]

SBM

I agree.

I was always puzzled by criticism of her smile because it seemed to me that even when she was smiling, her eyes looked worried and sad.

Seems to me she has one of those faces that are in a perpetual "smile"...whether it seems appropriate or not....

Have known and worked with people who have a certain , I don't know a good term, "smile-face"...?

Anyhow, thoughts are with her...

 

[SapphireSteel]

Seems to me she has one of those faces that are in a perpetual "smile"...whether it seems appropriate or not....

Have known and worked with people who have a certain , I don't know a good term, "smile-face"...?

Anyhow, thoughts are with her...

Haha all the people I've worked with have had a "frown-face".

 

[otto]

If you go to Google Earth and zoom in a bit, you will see the Cedar Valley Nature Trail. It continues from Lafayette St down to Gilbert Drive,east along Gilbert past Grand Blvd, and then south again under the highway along the river to the west and across the river to the south. It runs for miles and passes close to Gilbertville.

ETA: You can also access this from Meyer's Lake but it appears to involve a bit of cycling along Arbutus.

I'm curious about how the Cedar Valley Trail would factor into the disapearance.

 

[CHERIE.T]

While I am frustrated over the lack of activity, I don't see it as LE not having a clue as to where the girls are, nor do I see it as LE not having a POI in mind. We all like to delve into these cases and try to figure out what is going on, but we aren't LE. We only have access to the info LE wants us to know about. We shouldn't make the mistake of assuming that LE has told us everything. JMO

I do not expect, NOR
do I ASSUME LE will tell EVERYTHING about any
case.
hone:

LE will not leave the little girls after they are found.
They will be rescued ASAP, I'm pretty sure that's a given.
MO

 

[otto]

She could be there, using a different name. I would, under her circumstances.

I know from personal experience that at Mercy Hospital in Iowa City, University of Iowa Hospitals and Clinics in Iowa City, Grinnell Regional in Grinnell, Skiff Hospital in Newton and Marshalltown Hospital in Marshalltown don't give out patient names or room numbers over the phone. If you call and want to speak to a patient, you have to give your own name and relationship to the patient to the switchboard operator, then the operator rings the patient's room and asks the patient if they want that phone call.

If the patient says no or if there is no such person in the hospital, all the switchboard operator will tell you is "you cannot reach that person at this time." They won't tell you if the patient was released or transferred to a different facility or if the patient decided not to accept your call.

Perhaps they do things differently in Waterloo.

I wonder if anyone has sent flowers to her yet. I think she needs them. I think she needs to know that someone has her back, that people care, that she needs to be strong for her daughter and her memory, and that she is not alone in this journey. Maybe someone local can drop some off ... the hospital should be able to get them to the correct location ... and it might just help her to know that people care.

 

[otto]

In other cases the media was able to get a doc dump of all kinds of things like search warrants, subpoenas, tips, witness statements etc. Why haven't we seen anything like that?

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How would it benefit the case?

 

[SapphireSteel]

How would it benefit the case?

It may not, but it would benefit us.

:websleuther:

 

[Dr. Know?]

Misty may need rehab more than flowers. jmho

 

[otto]

Misty may need rehab more than flowers. jmho

I'm thinking along the lines of short term positives for someone that may be suicidal. Therapy is fine in the long run, but suicidal people have to wake up one morning and see the day differently than all the rest. Flower can sometimes do that ... just knowing that someone unexpected cares ... I think it might be one positive for someone in that situation.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I wonder if anyone has sent flowers to her yet. I think she needs them. I think she needs to know that someone has her back, that people care, that she needs to be strong for her daughter and her memory, and that she is not alone in this journey. Maybe someone local can drop some off ... the hospital should be able to get them to the correct location ... and it might just help her to know that people care.

Otto, that was the kindest thought and the thanks button just wasn't enough.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Misty may need rehab more than flowers. jmho

When I was in the burn unit for almost 4 months, I definitely needed medical care more than I needed flowers.

But the flowers helped keep me going through some rather horrible medical treatments.

Two words: tub room.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Thanks! Biking sounds like a lot of work, I'll stick with extreme napping.

:floorlaugh: Sis, is that you?
:floorlaugh:
I love naps.

 

[Dr. Know?]

I'm thinking along the lines of short term positives for someone that may be suicidal. Therapy is fine in the long run, but suicidal people have to wake up one morning and see the day differently than all the rest. Flower can sometimes do that ... just knowing that someone unexpected cares ... I think it might be one positive for someone in that situation.

Otto, I agree. Flowers would be nice and cheer someone up. She needs sobered up in my opinoin. Two weeks later she'll still needs help & support, 5 months later too. Who's around for flowers? She has to want to quit her od'ing or partying or whatever. The hell the family that has to go through that suffers...many prayers to all of them. I'd spend my money on the search, family or the reward. jmo

Not seeing a Baker Act in Iowa, does Iowa have a hold on unstable people like this. I worry she is going to hurt herself before the girls are found. Boy, my heart goes out to the family. jmo

 

[otto]

Thanks! Biking sounds like a lot of work, I'll stick with extreme napping.

A pannier was typically used for books and an under-seat pouch was typically used for bike repair, but today ... who knows. Perhaps a pannier is used for puppies and under-the-seat pouches have been replaced with waist pouch cell phone cases.

Maybe the officer is looking through something that he pulled out of the pannier.

Because the cyclist came forward in the media and with police, we have learned that the timeline in which the children vanished is very small - approximately 8 minutes between 12:19 and 12:27 (video sighting of children to phone call several minutes after allegedly seeing bikes). If we exclude the cyclists tip, we are left with the possibility that a jogger saw the bikes at 2 or 2:30 during his regular run. However, given the time that the children were expected to be home (1:30), we can narrow the time of the disappearance of the girls to between 12:15 and 1:30. We can narrow the time that the bikes appeared at the lake to between 12:30 and 2:30 ... I think.