margarita25
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I still believe Klunder is a very, very viable suspect. JMO.
RodgerD said, "This is just not the work of someone who did not know 7 bridges park. Sorry. This is someone who knew the park well and had been there several times in the past."
Klunder may have been familiar with the park at one time or another because,
"Investigators say they are looking into whether Klunder could be linked to the slaying of two cousins, ages 8 and 10, who vanished last summer while riding bikes in Evansdale. In the 1980s, records show he lived at a residential treatment center for emotionally troubled children in Bremer County, where the cousins bodies were found in December."
http://wcfcourier.com/news/local/ne...cle_1042c3a8-c1fa-11e2-8e63-0019bb2963f4.html
Whomever said "bull in a china shop" is hitting me like a ton of bricks right now - :banghead: He was not mentally capable of planning an abduction. He only knew one way to get his victims, snatch them when you see them. I feel that if he had planned Kathlynn and D's abduction even a little, he might have gotten away with their murders too. He didn't even have the patience or the mental capacity. The person who killed Elizabeth and Lyric was very methodical. I would say probably has a higher IQ than the average RSO.
Whomever said "bull in a china shop" is hitting me like a ton of bricks right now - :banghead: He was not mentally capable of planning an abduction. The only thing different in this crime than the previous ones was that he did lure the girls with telling them if they wanted to make some money - not very sophisticated, but it worked. Previously, he knew one way to get his victims, snatch them when you see them. I feel that if he had planned Kathlynn and D's abduction even a little, he might have gotten away with their murders too. He didn't even have the patience or the mental capacity. The person who killed Elizabeth and Lyric was very methodical. I would say probably has a higher IQ than the average RSO.
Agreed, absolutely did not have to be a genius. Being familiar with the victim, I think is the key here to L&E. We know there are regular joggers and bicyclists that use the trail around Meyers Lake. I would expect these people to immediately notice something off/different, unfamiliar in their usual routes. We know people close to the lake knew Elizabeth because she visited there often. To me, the girls rode with a purpose that day. Wouldn't a person who regularly visited Meyers Lake have noticed a vehicle parked right there just a few feet from where the girls were taken if someone was just waiting? I think the person that took them knew that area was invisible from the highway.
Reading statements from serial killers and other such predators indicates that whatever their level of intelligence, they're very good at spotting places like that and identifying likely victims in places where they aren't likely to be spotted. So just driving around the lake might have told him, whoever he was, all he needs to know.
Okay. But, I don't think he would have been able to find 7-Bridges easily, even if he had been there as a teen. How busy is a hog farmer ? I mean supposedly Klunder was running several facilities. I would assume that it is hard labor, not exactly an easy job. Is it a 7-day a week job? I agree, his occupation might have given him ample places to store bodies for a while, but was Klunder that bold? Do hog confinements contain freezer storage? I think Klunder was not worried about Kathlynn's blood at first because a large amount of blood might not mean a lot at a hog facility. Someone who happened upon the blood might just think "oh well, so-and-so butchered a hog today." ??
Whomever said "bull in a china shop" is hitting me like a ton of bricks right now - :banghead: He was not mentally capable of planning an abduction. The only thing different in this crime than the previous ones was that he did lure the girls with asking them if they wanted to make some money - not very sophisticated, but it worked. Previously, he knew one way to get his victims, snatch them when you see them. I feel that if he had planned Kathlynn and D's abduction even a little, he might have gotten away with their murders too. He didn't even have the patience or the mental capacity. The person who killed Elizabeth and Lyric was very methodical. I would say probably has a higher IQ than the average RSO.
Oh, thank you for the explanation! That makes way more sense. I'm all in favor of technology that can be used to help find these people and make everyone else safer. I just couldn't figure out a DNA check at a traffic stop.
I wonder if they knew he was likely to be in this area and selectively chose to have the traffic check at this location just in case.
Imo, MJK endured more than one psychological evaluation as a juvenile, as well as during his adult prison incarceration. Until more information is released on him, it would be virtually impossible to estimate or determine his IQ, imo..
Many, if not most sexual predators/serial killers have another self; good Michael/bad(evil) Michael.. Imo, in the trial video posted in a prior comment, MJK exposes his other self in his eyes & facial expressions.
With the exception of his victim profile, MJK has many parallels with Serial Killer Edmund Emil Kemper III; the gentle giant..imo...
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http://www.karisable.com/skazkemper.htm
Edmund Emil Kemper III was born December 18, 1948, Santa Cruz, California. After his parents divorced when he was 9, Kemper lived with a domineering mother named Clarnell. She had strict standards and doled out brutal punishment when he failed to comply. She locked him in the basement for long periods of time. His hatred toward his mother grew and fantasized about killing her. He was afraid of his peers, and had problems making friends. He enjoyed pretending he was in a gas chamber with his two sisters. Edmund buried the family's pet cat up to its neck; he then kept its severed head as a trophy. His mother replaced the cat. Edmund massacred the new cat with his machete and kept the pieces his bedroom closet where they were found by his mother.
His own mother referred to him as a weirdo. After not being able to live get along in his mother's home and his father, Ed Jr. and stepmother's home, at age 13, he moved in with his paternal grandparents on a rural North Folk, California ranch.
He didn't get along with his grandmother. His mother was concerned he may harm her ex-husband's parents. On August 27, 1964, at age 14, following an argument, he shot his grandmother in the back of her head while she sat at the kitchen table working on a children's book, then mutilated her with a kitchen knife. When his grandfather returned from the store, he shot him on the porch and left his body in the yard. After he phoned his mother he called the police to explain he just wanted to see how it felt to kill grandma.
Kemper was committed to Atascadero State Hospital. At the age of 21, after he convinced psychologists that he was sane, he was released in Santa Cruz, California, into his mother's custody against the advice of several Atascadero State Hospital psychiatrists. Still a virgin, Kemper used *advertiser censored* and detective magazines for erotic stimulation. His mother who three failed marriages behind her was an administrative assistant at the University of California at Santa Cruz. She showed more interest and care towards college students than she did her son.
With an IQ of 120 and imposing size of 6 feet 9 inches and almost 300 pounds, he had violent arguments with his mother and others. His mother put him down and blamed him for inability to find a boyfriend.
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What time were these girls grabbed at the lake?
http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_18411a90-cd32-11e1-a656-0019bb2963f4.htmlTimeline of Events
12:15 p.m. Friday - The girls are last seen by their grandmother, Wylma Cook, in downtown Evansdale behind Lederman's Big & Tall Clothing, 3524 Lafayette Road.
4 p.m. - The girls' bikes are located along the bike trail on the southeast corner of Meyers Lake by an Evansdale firefighter. Elizabeth's purse, which contained a cell phone, was found nearby.
Saturday and Sunday - Hundreds of volunteers search Meyers Lake and the town of Evansdale for traces of the girls. About 700 people searched on Sunday alone, while businesses and others donated food and water. But no clues were found in their search.
Monday - Authorities begin draining Meyers Lake and stopping residents in Evansdale. Meanwhile, residents post missing flyers around Evansdale and surrounding towns.
“I have learned that I have victimized not only my victim but also my family and myself,” he wrote to a judge from prison in 1989, seeking an early release after his incarceration for two serious attacks on females.
“I never want to do that again so I will try to make the changes to ensure it won’t happen again.”
After he turned 18 in 1989, Klunder was sentenced for attempted burglary and assault. A judge ordered him to receive sex offender treatment during a prison term of up to five years. He served just over two years before being released in August 1991.
On Dec. 15, 1991, Klunder flashed his lights to get a 22-year-old woman to pull over on a highway outside Mason City and told her that her taillights weren't working. When she got out, he threw her to the ground, got on top of her and threatened that he had a knife, police say. He wrestled her into his car and turned down a gravel road, where the woman waved out the window for help to an oncoming vehicle. Klunder pushed her out of the vehicle and fled.
The next day, Klunder snatched two 3-year-olds from an apartment complex in Charles City. Klunder was angry at one of the toddlers, who was the daughter of a female acquaintance.
Klunder put the girls into a trunk and drove them to a secluded area in Northwood, about 50 miles away, and left them in a trash bin. A county worker found the girls alive hours later. A doctor later found that one girl had been choked.
My impression is that he was of somewhat limited capacity. He didn't like how the one little girl behaved. Beyond that, I have no idea what motivated him, said Floyd County Attorney Norm Klemesrud, adding that Klunder was employed at a workshop for the disabled.
Klunder, arrested days later in Houston, pleaded guilty to third-degree kidnapping and one count of willful injury for abducting the toddlers and was sentenced to 30 years in prison. As part of the plea deal, the Iowa Attorney General's Office dropped first-degree kidnapping charges, which carry life in prison.
While the prosecutor who handled the case has retired, we suspect (she) felt that there may have been a fighting issue as to whether there was a serious or permanent injury on the child, which was needed for a first-degree kidnapping conviction, spokesman Geoff Greenwood said.
Separately, Klunder was sentenced to 11 more years for the kidnapping and assault of the 22-year-old woman and recommended for more sex offender treatment.
I've been without reliable computer access the last few days so haven't been able to answer pms or thank so many great posts. I had one quick question. i know that there are strict laws about privacy and mental health care, but what is LE allowed to see that the genral public is not allowed access to? Is it different for them? Do they have any access to Juvenile criminal records or to any mental health records involving commitment associated with crimes? For instance if Klunder was in a facility for troubled youth in bremer county are LE able to see who else was in that facility at the same time?
Someone I worry about in this case was arrested for drug offences at one point and also struggled with ongoing mental health issues. he was in his late teens at the time. would LE be able to see if he was in the same facility at the same time as klunder? TIA
After the age of 16, Michael James Klunder spent less than five years outside of the Iowa corrections system until his suicide on May 20, at age 42.