IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #34
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I was just reading about other abduction cases in Iowa and came across the following comment from Gerard Meyers, assistant director of field operations of the Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation. I think this tells use that zip ties were used in the abduction/murder of Lyric and Elizabeth:
"Potential connections are already being analyzed between Kathlynn Shepard's murder and the slayings of two eastern Iowa cousins ...
Meyers said authorities will take a two-pronged approach to any comparisons: laboratory analysis of forensic evidence ...
Meyers pointed to the zip ties that Klunder used as one possible point of comparison. Offenders sometimes use the same methods repeatedly, he said."
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...FkyCd5ZlZV7SbtNlv-a4RwA&bvm=bv.52434380,d.cGE
"Potential connections are already being analyzed between Kathlynn Shepard's murder and the slayings of two eastern Iowa cousins ...
Meyers said authorities will take a two-pronged approach to any comparisons: laboratory analysis of forensic evidence ...
Meyers pointed to the zip ties that Klunder used as one possible point of comparison. Offenders sometimes use the same methods repeatedly, he said."
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j...FkyCd5ZlZV7SbtNlv-a4RwA&bvm=bv.52434380,d.cGE
Dan was with his son at his mother's house. It doesn't matter what he was doing there. That's where he was. His son was with him, that's where he was when he phoned his mother and that's were he was when his mother picked up his son and him. He didn't have a vehicle, didn't own a vehicle and had no transportation for taking two children to a location 20 miles away. He didn't even have transportation for getting himself to Evansdale.
Maybe it's better to look at this in terms of what we know to be true, and then explain how someone could be involved. The person that did this had a vehicle in order to take the children 20 miles away. Dan did not. The person that did this had to have time between noon and about 4 PM to accomplish this. Dan was accounted for during that time. Therefore, he could not have been involved in the murder and abduction of his daughter and niece.
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I would say between noonish and December 5, 2012. We don't know for sure how or when the girls arrived dead or alive at Seven Bridges.
Otto, imo, investigators are not only comparing MJK's MO, signature, and other patterns, to E & Ls's abduction/murder. But are also investigating other missing persons cold cases in IA, and other states..
Imo, MJK has other victim/s as indicated by the rope and bloody quilt found in his disabled vehicle in 1992. He fled the state after he was questioned about the 1991 kidnappings. His car had broke down in Florida, and he took a bus to Houston, Texas, where he was later arrested.
Imo, this statement from the article is very telling:
DES MOINES -- State investigators in coming months will conduct a painstaking examination of potential similarities between the kidnapping and murder of a Dayton teenager and missing person cases in Iowa, a state official said Monday..
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Non-Family child abductions
More than 65% of the children abducted by non-family members are girls.
46% of children are sexually abused.
31% of the children are physically abused.
32% of abductions take place in a street or a car and 25% take place in a park or a wooded area.
The top 3 places an abductor imprisons the child are – a car, the abductor’s home and the abductor’s building.
Most abductions are carried out within a quarter of a mile of the child’s home.
75% of the abductors are male.
67% of them are below 29 years of age.
Stereotypical kidnappings
40% of children in stereotypical kidnappings are killed.
4% of children are never found.
79% kidnappings are carried out by strangers and 21% by acquaintances.
http://ygoy.com/2009/07/08/child-abduction-statistics/
Non-Family child abductions
More than 65% of the children abducted by non-family members are girls.
46% of children are sexually abused.
31% of the children are physically abused.
32% of abductions take place in a street or a car and 25% take place in a park or a wooded area.
The top 3 places an abductor imprisons the child are – a car, the abductor’s home and the abductor’s building.
Most abductions are carried out within a quarter of a mile of the child’s home.
75% of the abductors are male.
67% of them are below 29 years of age.
Stereotypical kidnappings
40% of children in stereotypical kidnappings are killed.
4% of children are never found.
79% kidnappings are carried out by strangers and 21% by acquaintances.
http://ygoy.com/2009/07/08/child-abduction-statistics/
Although it's possible that the girls were alive until December 5, I really doubt it. Elizabeth's parents are now outspoken about sexual deviants, so they probably have a reason to believe that the person that abducted their daughter sexually assaulted her. With two victims, I think it's highly unlikely that they were alive when the sun went down on July 13, 2012 ... the risk of getting caught after an abduction increases with every minute that the victims are kept alive, and with two victims to control, that risk is twofold.
But let's suppose that the children were alive until Dec 5 in the context of suggesting that the father was involved. What is the scenario for how he abducted the girls in Evansdale when he was without transportation in Waterloo? How did he transport the children 20 miles away on Dec. 5?
I agree ... police are looking for all sorts of connections. However, in terms of looking at connections between the Shepard case and the Evansdale case, police are looking at zip ties.
Since the children were transported 20 miles away, I think it's safe to assume that the assault was in the vehicle ... perhaps an older, boxy SUV.
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They weren't supposed to be living together, and they "officially" weren't - they had separate residences. But they absolutely were spending the night together. They admitted as much early on. Remember when they went and stayed in a hotel room together the weekend after the abduction?! They were sleeping when the police busted in.
When the parents of Lyric were hounded by police and media regarding the disappearance, and needed a break, they stayed in a hotel for one night. It didn't solve the problem because police tracked them down anyway.
That does not mean that they were living together when the children vanished. In fact, media reports state that Lyric's parents had been separated for some time - I suppose that happens when parents are in jail. Lyric was in the custody of Wylma. Prior to that she was in the custody of Heather. Dan lived with his mother. Lyric did not grow up surrounded by meth and was not mature for her age. By all appearances, she was a normal 10 year old child that was growing up with extended family members because both of her parents had been in jail for drug related problems.
I'm not sure what you mean when you say that "they weren't supposed to be living together." They were separated and living apart, presumably by choice (perhaps something to do with the domestic assault).
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Legally separated, yes. Physically separated, no.
I wouldn't spend a night in the same hotel room with my ex husband, no matter what the circumstances!
Also, you might not have followed the scanner thread, But we do know from the scanner that they lived together after the abduction. (or at least stayed together). There are lots of details there that I can't post here. Sorry! Rules.
I also remember someone saying the no contact order was no longer in effect, or being overlooked, given the circumstances.
Look at their body language in the interviews. Those 2 were still romantically involved- I'd bet my house on it.
Also, look at the wording of the account of the first time Lyric went missing - I forget the wording and whether it was from Vicki's pr Wylma's house, but Dan was there when Lyric didn't return. He says "Mysti came home" -- implying they were both living there. If they were so separated, why were they hanging out together a week before the abduction, at one of their mother's houses?
It seems rather straight forward: they were not a couple.
"In the weeks before the girls' disappearance, Misty and Daniel were having problems at home they were preparing to file for divorce after being separated for years.
"They are not a couple," Misty's sister Tammy Brousseau told ABC News Wednesday. "They are currently separated and maybe well on the way to a divorce."
http://abcnews.go.com/US/cops-suspect-dad-missing-iowa-girls-case-family/story?id=16810959
"Lyric's father Dan Morrissey was investigated as a person of interest shortly after the girls disappeared because of his ties to the local methamphetamine trade.
But authorities have said he [Dan] is not considered a suspect in the girls' disappearance."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...orrissey-Elizabeth-Collins.html#ixzz2feGQW3xW
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But authorities have said he [Dan] is not considered a suspect in the girls' disappearance."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...orrissey-Elizabeth-Collins.html#ixzz2feGQW3xW
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Prior to the abduction, Dan received a call from Misty claiming that Lyric was missing with her 11 year old cousin in Waterloo. From the quote below, it is clear that Misty found Lyric and that Lyric then phoned her father. Dan told Misty to phone police. When that call was being made, Misty found the children. It's clear that Dan was not at the location during the earlier incident.
"D. MORRISSEY: I was in Waterloo at my mom`s house with my son. And I was taking a nap, and my wife called and woke me up and told me that Lyric was missing.
This had just happened probably four days before, that where she was supposed to go to, you know, a certain destination and then come back, and after a while she hadn`t come back. And they went to that destination and she wasn`t there. And so things got stirred up. My wife called me then and told me the same thing, that she`s missing. And I told her to call the cops.
And they went around to drive around some more, and all of a sudden my daughter`s calling me from my wife`s phone and saying, "Daddy." You know?
So four days after that I`m getting another call from my wife and saying the same thing, you know. So I`m like what? And so she was out looking for her and I guess, you know, the police got involved and...
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m not -- I`m not sure I understand. Are you saying that there was an incident prior to the Friday incident?
D. MORRISSEY: Yes.
M. MORRISSEY: Yes. A week before this, Lyric and her other cousin, Tammy`s daughter, Kaylee (ph), who were in Green Briar, which is another division of Waterloo, and they went walking to the park. They were gone for an extended amount of time. We went looking for them at the park, and they weren`t there. So we called the police. They -- right when I called the police they came walking up to the house.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: So I`m trying to process all this. And you know much more about it. Please don`t take anything I`m asking personally, but is it possible that the little -- one of the little girls may have wanted to run away or been overly curious about just going off? Getting to that age where they want to just maybe take off?"
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/17/ijvm.01.html
"D. MORRISSEY: I was in Waterloo at my mom`s house with my son. And I was taking a nap, and my wife called and woke me up and told me that Lyric was missing.
This had just happened probably four days before, that where she was supposed to go to, you know, a certain destination and then come back, and after a while she hadn`t come back. And they went to that destination and she wasn`t there. And so things got stirred up. My wife called me then and told me the same thing, that she`s missing. And I told her to call the cops.
And they went around to drive around some more, and all of a sudden my daughter`s calling me from my wife`s phone and saying, "Daddy." You know?
So four days after that I`m getting another call from my wife and saying the same thing, you know. So I`m like what? And so she was out looking for her and I guess, you know, the police got involved and...
VELEZ-MITCHELL: I`m not -- I`m not sure I understand. Are you saying that there was an incident prior to the Friday incident?
D. MORRISSEY: Yes.
M. MORRISSEY: Yes. A week before this, Lyric and her other cousin, Tammy`s daughter, Kaylee (ph), who were in Green Briar, which is another division of Waterloo, and they went walking to the park. They were gone for an extended amount of time. We went looking for them at the park, and they weren`t there. So we called the police. They -- right when I called the police they came walking up to the house.
VELEZ-MITCHELL: So I`m trying to process all this. And you know much more about it. Please don`t take anything I`m asking personally, but is it possible that the little -- one of the little girls may have wanted to run away or been overly curious about just going off? Getting to that age where they want to just maybe take off?"
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/17/ijvm.01.html
BBM ... That's not true.
Dan was not with Misty when Lyric and her cousin went to the park. Misty phoned Dan when Lyric and her 11 year old cousin were late returning from the park. When Misty found Lyric, Lyric used Misty's phone to contact Dan and say that she was okay. If Dan was there, there would be no need for those phone calls.
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Yes we all know Aunty T was a mine of information, some of it was even accurate.
None of this explains why Misty and Dan spent that night together in a motel.
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IMO Meyers was giving an example of possible types of comparison, not definitive. There are too many uses of the words "possible, sometimes,potential" for me to believe that we were given this as a fact, or to assume that zip ties ARE being examined in both cases.
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That opens up a whole new bunch of questions. I have no doubt it's true as it fits with my own personal opinion. :seeya:
Like - what's a girl fresh out of rehab doing associating with a known drug dealer?
Why wasn't someone's probation pulled?
Does the Iowa "justice" system make a practise of completely ignoring its known criminals - Klunder, Cook and Morrissey, all wandering about totally free, committing whatever crimes they feel like?
Are felons and folks on bail ever subject to random drug testing? You'd have to find them first I guess.
Reporting to a Police Station even? Doesn't seem so.
They say it takes a village to raise a child, well these days it also takes the wider community. Iowans are now aware of what's being allowed to happen, are they protesting about it? Picketing for stronger sentencing and more funding to properly supervise known felons?
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I think these facts are pretty telling that (in complete contrast to common assumptions) while 65% if NON-familial abductions are girls...LESS THAN HALF are sexually abused.
Statistically speaking that leaves OVER half that are abducted and killed for reasons OTHER than sexual gratification.
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