sreshowtime
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(no camping RoseRed, but thanks- now I know what this Fl house needs! perfect for the garden!)
Because a kidnapper couldn't risk being out in the open, slowly moving across the lake with 2 girls. I can't think of anything MORE visible than being in the middle of a body of water, surrounded by houses and people fishing, running, biking. He would have literally been a sitting duck. If the parents had shown up, they could have had the police there to arrest him before he even reached the shore.
I can see at least two paddle boats in bing maps. One up in the canal part of the lake and one yellow one on the eastern edge of the lake.
(no camping RoseRed, but thanks- now I know what this Fl house needs! perfect for the garden!)
i agree, but the only reason i find hard to believe is that if this person actually saw the girls he would have seen them much later than what would fit the "time line" which isnt set in stone but it just doesnt fit right imo... kwim? im so confused with all of the statements and times that almost means that some of these things would almost be occurring simultaneously to make it all fit together - or maybe i just need sleep...lol
I'm wondering if the person with the paddleboat and the man who told Aunt Tammy that he saw the girls at 2:30 could be the same person. Maybe that lead came from her.
If it is the same man and he is not coming forward, I would be skeptical about whether he really did see the girls at 2:30. Could it be possible that Aunt Tammy actually ran in to the kidnapper at the lake after the girls were taken but before the bikes were discovered?
Other witnesses such as the "watering his plants" man have spoken out publicly thru the news media but I don't recall seeing any interviews with the guy Tammy talked to at the lake!
:moo:
In the interview with MIL of MM (Lyric's grandma and DM's mother), grandma says her son DM and 16yo grandson both live with her so I can only assume that the brother is DM's son for sure. Not sure if he is MM's son?
Do we know if DM is Lyric's biological father? Seems a little odd that h
er last name is her mothers maiden name, considering the DM and MM are marred.
OK thank you! This is what I thought and what I was picturing, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't some regional difference in terminology. <snipped>
If that were true then Tammy could have told LE what he looked like. I am sure (I hope) LE checked him out. Besides he said he saw the at 2:30 and LE is asking for info until 1. Right?
I also can't make Aunt Tammy's witness work in my brain for 2 reasons:
1) He has the girls casually riding around the lake at 2:30. I thought the family showed up there at 3pm. That gives the kidnapper half an hour. Possible, but too small of a window, IMO.
2) By 2:30, the girls would have been TOTALLY panicked about being so late. They had a clock on the cell phone. They knew they were supposed to be home at least an hour before then. I can't see them just happily cruising around the lake an hour after they were supposed to be home.
I am wondering if she might have had some secret plans to run away with the 'help' of a family friend. And maybe she did not plan for Elizabeth to be involved, she just rode off with her so grandma would not be concerned. But once she got to where she was meeting her 'friend', then things went sideways.
Yeah I'm quoting myself again..![]()
I got behind but thanks to all of you who provided insight into what "paddle boat" means to you! I thanked the person wanting the Flamingo boatbut thanks to everyone. I'd thank you all individually but I'd end up adding another page to the discussion.
It seems we're mostly in agreement on what a paddle boat is but still a clarification by LE might be helpful. My line of thinking is if I was out in a kayak or canoe I might think to myself... "well I was in a kayak that day but I never saw a paddle boat." Probably a bit out there but I feel like it's worth thinking about. Might be a reason the person hasn't come forward? I can see why the fear of coming forward given the scrutiny they'll be put under but I can also see legit reasons the person might not even know they were the person everyone's looking for.
BBM
That made me LOL! I have spent way too much time today thinking about Gamerbinger!
Ok I'm really confused now.
LE believe there is a peddle boat guy.
Why would there be? Think about it...those things are painful with only one person...they are really a two person deal. IF it's a pedal boat not a canoe. If there's only one person in it, it's going round in circles.
So...maybe someone's lying about a pedal boat guy? Why would they? Obvious answer...to shift focus.
I too wondered about a 10 year old forgetting her cell phone. It happens, especially if she's riding around and can't be bothered with it. HOWEVER...if she was on a mission to meet a secret "friend" and that friend instructed her to leave it at home, that would change the scenario again.
To summarise -
LE want to speak to pedal/paddle boat guy
Who actually saw pedal/paddle boat guy?
Do they want to speak to him AS a witness, or to BREAK a suspect's story?
I'm leaning that there was NO pedal/paddle boat guy. Who would do something like that on their own anyway? Unless you're in training for something, it's not likely something you'd do on your own IMO.
This is getting really, really, mysterious.