IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #9

[BunnyHop]

Hired on 7/12

Trying to catch up, who was hired? :waitasec:

 

[Nvgirl]

Never thought about stalking you. It's kind of common sense on cases and when a missing childs case is lacking info in the 3rd week, I usually check the laws on the release of info from that state. FOIA or sunshine laws.

Don't flatter yourself, check my almost 5000 posts.

What are exactly sunshine laws?

 

[Nvgirl]

Evidence will point to the likely perps.

No way to know from that evidence
if the girls are alive.
:moo:

Its the way it was said from the FBI lady. I will try to link it later today but she said ""we have PHYSICAL evidence that the girls are still alive, but i cant go into that right now"" thats what she said. fingerprints on bikes or cans does not tell me they are alive.

 

[BunnyHop]

What are exactly sunshine laws?

The "Sunshine" Law
To assist the public and governmental agencies in understanding the requirements and exemptions to Florida's open government laws, the Attorney General's Office compiles a comprehensive guide known as the Government-in-the-Sunshine manual. The manual is published each year at no taxpayer expense by the First Amendment Foundation in Tallahassee.

Florida began its tradition of openness back in 1909 with the passage of Chapter 119 of the Florida Statutes or the “Public Records Law.” This law provides that any records made or received by any public agency in the course of its official business are available for inspection, unless specifically exempted by the Florida Legislature. Over the years, the definition of what constitutes “public records” has come to include not just traditional written documents such as papers, maps and books, but also tapes, photographs, film, sound recordings and records stored in computers.

Florida's Government-in-the-Sunshine Law was enacted in 1967. Today, the Sunshine Law regarding open government can be found in Chapter 286 of the Florida Statutes. These statutes establish a basic right of access to most meetings of boards, commissions and other governing bodies of state and local governmental agencies or authorities.

Throughout the history of Florida's open government, its courts have consistently supported the public's right of access to governmental meetings and records. As such, they also have been defining and redefining what a public record is and who is covered under the open meetings law. One area of public concern was whether or not the Legislature was covered under the open meetings requirements. To address that concerns, a Constitutional amendment was passed overwhelmingly by the voters in 1990 providing for open meetings in the legislative branch of government.

http://www.myflsunshine.com/sun.nsf/pages/Law

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_in_the_Sunshine_Act

 

[BunnyHop]

Bump. Hope this works--FB entry

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, and Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #9

 

[Nvgirl]

Bump. Hope this works--FB entry

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, and Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #9

I didnt get what any of that s--- just said. Weird, weird!!!

 

[Nvgirl]

Maybe they were on bath salts:-/

 

[cindersoot]

Okay after tossing and turning and hardly sleeping last night, because of this case, I have been brain storming like crazy. Now, the purple purse, whose purse was it and, I wonder what was in the purse? I thought, maybe thats the evidence they have, maybe a note with a number or address or something. IDK

 

[TxLady2]

Its the way it was said from the FBI lady. I will try to link it later today but she said ""we have PHYSICAL evidence that the girls are still alive, but i cant go into that right now"" thats what she said. fingerprints on bikes or cans does not tell me they are alive.

I've thought about this evidence, and the only thing I can think of that would be proof that they're still alive is actually seeing or talking to them and confirming that they are someplace safe with someone who is trying to protect them. Even if they had the identity of the person who took them, that's not a guarantee that they are still alive... just that they know who it is. If that's the case, then they probably don't know where the perp is. If they did, he/she would be in custody. This is the only thing that makes sense to me.

 

[Simp]

puts a whole different spin on things - that whole scenario. How does JC's od and MCM's sobbing factor in? I guess time will tell how this plays out. "nite everyone

Can anyone link me to MCM "sobbing"? I missed that. Must have been over the weekend.

 

[Thinkzerz]

Was this tonight that someone was talking about that? The dude we tracked down in the CL ads has pictures at Walt Disney World. Is that what you are referring to?

Yes, sorry it was late last night and i meant Walt Disney not Wonderland. lol

 

[GGE]

Or does he sometimes take one or more of his kids along to watch him work?

Sure, there was an article that said Lizzy liked to go along and watch them cut trees down, and sometimes have lunch with him. I'm sure someone else has linked and quoted it by now though - I'm catching up. Only been gone what, 8 hours? And 13 new pages... I think we have a LOT of non-US posters!

 

[Gracelin]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179957&page=25

Don't want to be all by myself..You'll be glad you came to visit!

 

[Nvgirl]

I've thought about this evidence, and the only thing I can think of that would be proof that they're still alive is actually seeing or talking to them and confirming that they are someplace safe with someone who is trying to protect them. Even if they had the identity of the person who took them, that's not a guarantee that they are still alive... just that they know who it is. If that's the case, then they probably don't know where the perp is. If they did, he/she would be in custody. This is the only thing that makes sense to me.

Thank you!! First person that has thought this!!! I will post when i get off work the clip with the lady FBI agent.I thought it was weird how nobody else is talkn more abt thos subject. But maybe a lot of people didnt see the clip i did.

 

[GGE]

No but proof is.

Even if they have evidence (and they have PLENTY of that here, trust me), they still need the other things, means, and of course, motive.

If my belief is correct, this is going to be a very involved investigation, with multiple POI's, all lying their heads off and butt covering.

However, no one is as smart as they think they are, especially in this case. LE will build a trap themselves, bit by bit, until all of those involved are caught. This will take time.

Beware of the CSI effect.

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edited to add - The quote above was in response to a post that said something about bodies not being needed for a murder charge. Hope that helps explain my post a bit!
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You guys have a link here to the Michele Harris and Calvin Harris case from NY state here someplace. She disappeared 9/11/01 and he was tried - THREE TIMES - and convicted every darn time of her murder. They have no body, no evidence, no confession, no witness.

It happens.

Each trial/re-trial/appeal there was a different judge but any way you look at it he was found guilty. The reason?

His missing wife (Michele) had told several people before she disappeared that he had said to her "I don't need a gun to kill you, and if I do, they'll never find your body." This alone got him convicted, repeatedly.

And Michele Harris' body has never been found. I'm going to be revitalizing that thread once these girls are found - I'm bout as local as you can get to the Harris case.


Anyhow, just saying.. it can happen that someone is charged and found guilty of murder without a body, but of course it's not so very common, is it?

 

[Thinkzerz]

Okay after tossing and turning and hardly sleeping last night, because of this case, I have been brain storming like crazy. Now, the purple purse, whose purse was it and, I wonder what was in the purse? I thought, maybe thats the evidence they have, maybe a note with a number or address or something. IDK

The purse belongs to Elizabeth, a cell phone that didn't work other then to play games was in it.

I wonder if there was something else in it that the girls took with them? I doubt it though.

 

[cindersoot]

I looked on Iowa sex offender registry and found a picture of the man I saw at the lake yesterday and he lives 2.51 miles from Meyers lake. I emailed the sheriff his license number.

 

[Shelby2]

Seeing that we haven't been allowed to talk about ANY of those people since they 're not considered offical poi's by LE , let's say a few of us felt early on that certain people known to the children could be involved.

More than one of us had theories removed right after viewing the families first news interview, iykwim. eace:

Nobody has been officially ruled out either, so would that make everyone a POI?

 

[cindersoot]

And why would Elizabeth take her purse biking? I never did that as a kid, and it would be kinda awkward to ride and carry a bag. I thought Misty said she left the play cell phone at home?

 

[hollyblue]

No but proof is.

Even if they have evidence (and they have PLENTY of that here, trust me), they still need the other things, means, and of course, motive.

If my belief is correct, this is going to be a very involved investigation, with multiple POI's, all lying their heads off and butt covering.

However, no one is as smart as they think they are, especially in this case. LE will build a trap themselves, bit by bit, until all of those involved are caught. This will take time.

Beware of the CSI effect.

How true!