IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, W Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What happened? - #2

[rbeck]

Many people have said how they think Noreen is a little crazy but personaly I think she is a wonderfuly strong women who has put herself at risk to uncover what realy happend. And who wouldnt be a little messed up knowing this happened to their own child..
I often hear people make comments like " What a spaced out theory she has " But HELL, ALL OF US HERE KNOW WHAT HORRID THINGS CHILDREN SUFFER AT THE HANDS OF MUNGRELS LIKE THIS.. And when you get alot of them together anything is possible...

GOD BLESS YOU JOHNNY , WERE EVER YOU ARE....

well said Lela my feelings exactly this thing goes way deeper than most people want to believe. here is some more links to check out if you want to hear this whole story from Noreen Gosch. http://www.filefactory.com/file/176c49/
http://www.filefactory.com/file/108247/
http://www.filefactory.com/file/260c3c/
http://www.filefactory.com/file/e0a938/
http://www.filefactory.com/file/13b51b/
http://www.filefactory.com/file/9c6450/
http://www.filefactory.com/file/806665/

just click on the green button that says begin download these are mp3 audio of Noreen in interviews she did in 2005 she talks alot about Johnny and things not in her book or website really really good information here. these interviews are 3 hours long if you have the time listen to them.

 

[rbeck]

. This pedo ring, etc is not a fact at all.

Tell that to the kids they have raped and murdered over the years.

 

[shefner]

Thank goodness I've found a place to blog about this case! Since franklinfiles.org was hacked last August, I've been lost....looking for others who are as interested in this case as I am.
Recently, I found some google video entitled, "Paul Bonacci Debriefing." Its very interesting....Ted Gunderson conducts the sessions (its in 2 parts) and I think it shows the believability of Bonacci.

Also, on YouTube, I viewed a 2-parter called "The Most Dangerous Game." The first part concerns the governments development of MKUltra, the mind-controlling project. The second part focuses on Cathy O'Brien, and to me it is admittedly hard to accept in its entirety. Its graphic so "Beware."

 

[lilmisssleuth]

There are pedo rings, but it isn't a fact that Johnny's disapearance is connected to one. That is only theory.

 

[shefner]

I think its very important to read Noreen's site for Johnny (JohnnyGosch.com). Her vast research into what happened to Johnny is very convincing.
Also, reading about the Franklin Coverup, whether on the internet or by the book of John DeCamp, is eye-opening. DeCamp is by all reports a highly regarded individual. His book is a great one.

 

[shefner]

Google Rusty Nelson audio interview....Rusty Nelson was Larry King's photographer (this is the Larry King of the Franklin Credit Union not of CNN fame). In the interview he shares his fears of being "suicided" because of the information he holds and the photographs he has hidden. These photographs implicate many well-known government figures.

Also, he states that he does believe that Jeff Gannon is Johnny Gosch. Very informative interview with a man who has been "in the fray" of things.

 

[shefner]

Tell that to the kids they have raped and murdered over the years.

Yes....I think the whole point of this "incredulous tale" is that people will not believe it. That gives the elite even more power over us. It also reduces the power of the victims...many don't come forward because they are ashamed, frightened, and feel that no one will believe "all this."

Even Noreen, in her witness stand testimony for Paul Bonacci, admitted that much of the information she had discovered in her son's case was hard to believe and accept. She went on to say that she found that everything Bonacci had told her about Johnny's kidnapping and subsequent events had checked out. She and her PI had actually gone on a "follow up" trip and they were able to verify everything Bonacci had told them. That says alot to me.

 

[rbeck]

Thank goodness I've found a place to blog about this case! Since franklinfiles.org was hacked last August, I've been lost....looking for others who are as interested in this case as I am.
Recently, I found some google video entitled, "Paul Bonacci Debriefing." Its very interesting....Ted Gunderson conducts the sessions (its in 2 parts) and I think it shows the believability of Bonacci.

Also, on YouTube, I viewed a 2-parter called "The Most Dangerous Game." The first part concerns the governments development of MKUltra, the mind-controlling project. The second part focuses on Cathy O'Brien, and to me it is admittedly hard to accept in its entirety. Its graphic so "Beware."

Hi Shefner! glad to see you here ! I found this website the same way you did ! I used to post messages and share evidence on the franklinfiles.com website alot last summer also before they got hacked. I was wondering if it got hacked because of the things i was posting.I have been corresponding with the owner of franklincase.org Andrew Kerr who is a university of Nebraska journalism student and amateur investigative writer/reporter its the best site out there with information on the franklin scandal check it out if you havent before.Weve been trying to find out what happened to the franklinfiles website. Here is another message board ive been on with postings on the franklin case/johnny gosch http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/index.php
you mentioned the youtube listing for bonacci actually the Paul Bonacci debriefing interview with Ted Gunderson is in 3 parts they only posted 2 parts on google video and you tube. You can order the whole thing and alot of other good interviews Ted has done from his website real cheap from here http://www.1-free-dvd.com/Page_2_Catalog_of_FREE_DVDs.html just mail the order form to his office. I ordered 10 dvds for just a few dollars and Ted threw in a couple extra dvds free. I recommend getting the Gene Chip Tatum interview also.You were mentioning the Rusty Nelson interview on you tube. This was the one he did for Michael Corbins radio show called "a closer look" He did in April 2005. you need to check out the file factory links that I have posted a week ago. This link http://www.filefactory.com/file/806665/ is an interview with Rusty on the Alex Merklinger radio show he did the same time in April 2005 its 3 hours and is more detailed he really spills the beans.These are the only 2 interviews Rusty ever did .his attorney advised him not to..Ive found alot of good MK information out there thats been declassified if youre interested.

 

[shefner]

Thanks so much, rbeck....I thought you were familiar! I appreciate all the information and I will certainly check it out. I tried to contact the administrator for franklinfiles (several times) and never got a thing back. I think we were hitting close to home in our discussions there. Don't you think that some of the folks involved in the franklin scandal lurk on some of these sites just to see what's being said? I noticed that around the time of the hacking, Noreen was pressured to get rid of Gunderson's report from her site. She claimed she was threatened with a lawsuit by Robert Wadman (or someone who claimed to be him). I would love to find out what happened....

Also, I have visited the franklincase and even contacted the administrator (you mentioned his name was Andrew, which I had forgotten)...I asked him for a discussion forum but he was hesitant. He suggested I start one! LOL He doesn't realize how little I know about computers.:waitasec:

Have you ever visited "The Resistance Manifesto" site? I just found it but no one ever responds over there....I did notice one of our franklinfile buddies and thats why I tried to blog but he hasn't responded yet. Do you remember Stackdag?

OK, I guess this is quite long enough for one post!

 

[AussieLela]

There are pedo rings, but it isn't a fact that Johnny's disapearance is connected to one. That is only theory.

There is more proof and matching of evidence to state that he was infact connected to one of these rings... For those that have actualy studied this case would know the facts and were they came from....
This making it very hard to think that this is just a THEORY......
So much evidence makes it the truth.. NOT A THEORY:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

I know we all have our own opinions but this is a very hard case to coment on if you havent studied the FACTS..........

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

Yes....I think the whole point of this "incredulous tale" is that people will not believe it. That gives the elite even more power over us. It also reduces the power of the victims...many don't come forward because they are ashamed, frightened, and feel that no one will believe "all this."

Even Noreen, in her witness stand testimony for Paul Bonacci, admitted that much of the information she had discovered in her son's case was hard to believe and accept. She went on to say that she found that everything Bonacci had told her about Johnny's kidnapping and subsequent events had checked out. She and her PI had actually gone on a "follow up" trip and they were able to verify everything Bonacci had told them. That says alot to me.

There are so many who believe our "Nations Finest" could never be involved in such things. Sadly, they are, and do illegal sexual acts all of the time. Breaking news just today:
N.Y. governor apologizes after prostitution link
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23561606
Quote from link

NEW YORK - Gov. Eliot Spitzer apologized to his family and the public on Monday, but did not not elaborate on a bombshell report that he has been involved in a prostitution ring.
"I have acted in a way that violates my obligations to my family ... my sense of right and wrong," he said at a news conference at his Manhattan office. "I must now dedicate some time to rededicate my trust to my family."

and

Spitzer Is Linked to Prostitution Ring
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/ny...a& ei=5087%0A

Quote from link

ALBANY - Gov. Eliot Spitzer has been caught on a federal wiretap arranging to meet with a high-priced prostitute at a Washington hotel last month, according to a person briefed on the federal investigation
~snip~
Mr. Spitzer, a first term Democrat who pledged to bring ethics reform an end the often seamy ways of Albany, is married with three children.

Just last week, federal prosecutors arrested four people in connection with an expensive prostitution operation. Administration officials would not say that this was the ring with which the governor had become involved.
But a person with knowledge of the governor’s role said that the person believes the governor is one of the men identified as clients in court papers.
The governor’s travel records show that he was in Washington in mid-February. One of the clients described in court papers arranged to meet with a prostitute who was part of the ring, the Emperors Club VIP on the night of Feb. 13.

Now grant it, these are adults, (I assume) but it is still perverted, immoral and ILLEGAL!

 

[rbeck]

Thanks so much, rbeck....I thought you were familiar! I appreciate all the information and I will certainly check it out. I tried to contact the administrator for franklinfiles (several times) and never got a thing back. I think we were hitting close to home in our discussions there. Don't you think that some of the folks involved in the franklin scandal lurk on some of these sites just to see what's being said? I noticed that around the time of the hacking, Noreen was pressured to get rid of Gunderson's report from her site. She claimed she was threatened with a lawsuit by Robert Wadman (or someone who claimed to be him). I would love to find out what happened....

Have you ever visited "The Resistance Manifesto" site? I just found it but no one ever responds over there....I did notice one of our franklinfile buddies and thats why I tried to blog but he hasn't responded yet. Do you remember Stackdag?

Yes! you are exactly right I think they monitor these sites .I have noticed one individual on this site websleuths who is really defending the perps in the franklincase.I dont know what his problem is but He keeps wanting to prosecute paul bonacci and bad mouths victims Noreen Gosch, Alicia Owens, Troy Boner. ive seen him on a few other websites with the same user name.Robert Wadman has threatened Noreen with a lawsuit if she didnt take down a link to ted gundersons site where he inplicates him in the franklin scandal He even called Noreens home and left a nasty message on her voice mail. She removed the link and told him to never call her again.I dont know why he waited untill now its been on Noreens site for years.

ive seen the resistance manifesto website thats owned by Mark Dice ive followed his documentaries for awhile I noticed Ted Gunderson endorsed his website on the home page.I just discovered Stackdag he has just joined the rigorous instituion website http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/ they have alot of good information on the franklin case and on elitist cult activity/perversions on the "pedophillia and fascist sexuality" category just go there and register on the website I did

 

[Teresa Larson]

How does anyone know Johnny was taken by a pedo-ring? He said she said means NOTHING!! Where is the concrete evidence? Who knows for a fact and can prove who kidnapped Johnny?? NOBODY because if they could there wouldn't be any discussion on here about this. All of this is purely speculation. As for the governor being associated with a prostitute ring There are LOTS of politicians that have had sexual encounters with other woman. That's been going on for many many years and has nothing to do with Johnny's disappearance. Lots of men have affairs but it doesn't make them a pedophile-killer.

 

[2sisters]

How does anyone know Johnny was taken by a pedo-ring? He said she said means NOTHING!! Where is the concrete evidence? Who knows for a fact and can prove who kidnapped Johnny?? NOBODY because if they could there wouldn't be any discussion on here about this. All of this is purely speculation. As for the governor being associated with a prostitute ring There are LOTS of politicians that have had sexual encounters with other woman. That's been going on for many many years and has nothing to do with Johnny's disappearance. Lots of men have affairs but it doesn't make them a pedophile-killer.

The idea that someone used that as evidence that this pedo ring exists is laughable. Polititians using hookers is old news. It doesn't mean they are also child molesters.
I am done discussing this case. Shame on all of you who have enabled Noreen to belive this delusion and have taken advantage of her. She deserves to know the truth. Shame on all of you who have gone along with this and have hindered the investigation, which is exactly what this lunatic idea has done. This imaginary pedo ring has allowed someone to get away with murder.

 

[rbeck]

The idea that someone used that as evidence that this pedo ring exists is laughable. Polititians using hookers is old news. It doesn't mean they are also child molesters.
I am done discussing this case. Shame on all of you who have enabled Noreen to belive this delusion and have taken advantage of her. She deserves to know the truth. Shame on all of you who have gone along with this and have hindered the investigation, which is exactly what this lunatic idea has done. This imaginary pedo ring has allowed someone to get away with murder.

Whats laughable is you think this recent scandal with the governor of NY is being used as evidence of a pedo ring ??? where did you pull that out of?? no one is implying that here?? He was using the "Emperors Club VIP Escort Service" go to the smoking gun.com website they were reporting this a week ago. I even called their number 212-812-2114 to see how much they charge per hour.
Much of the evidence of the pedo ring in Nebraska mostly comes from corroberative witnesses (numerous unreleted victims reporting consistantly the same things from the 70s to the 80s involving the same perpetrators) .luckily some of the victims were brave enough to come forward to the State of Nebraska Foster Care Revue Board (their director Carolyn Stitt has said that she turned over documented evidence of sexual abuse a foot high to law enforcement and they refused to prosecute anyone!) "we dont have anything conclusive" is what law enforcement said. I guess the police dont want to do their job in Omaha (the fact that they had a pedophile as their chief had something to do with it). Also Father Val Peter director of Boystown knows quite well of all of the sexual abuse perpetrated by this pedo ring. the website http://www.bishop-accountability.org is full of evidence it takes hours just to scratch the surface.Some of us are now investigating former members of the Board of Directors for Creighton University in Neb.who were involved in this pedo ring.(Larry King was on the board from 84 to 86) Another thing not many people know is that David Thorstad founder of the notorious pedophile ring NAMBLA had bank accounts at the Franklin Credit Union.David lived in Boston why would he want a bank account in a small minority credit union in Omaha? unfortunately they have done a good job of destroying,hiding most of your concrete evidence you so desperately need. I think the best evidence anyone is going to find is the photographs and film negatives that Rusty Nelson says that he still has hidden away somewhere.The FBI raided his parents farmhouse and stole some pictures he had hidden in a desk and in the trunk of an abandoned car but he says he still has others hidden.

 

[iNTERESTEDWOMAN]

The idea that someone used that as evidence that this pedo ring exists is laughable. Polititians using hookers is old news. It doesn't mean they are also child molesters.
:boohoo:I am done discussing this case. Shame on all of you who have enabled Noreen to belive this delusion and have taken advantage of her. She deserves to know the truth. Shame on all of you who have gone along with this and have hindered the investigation, which is exactly what this lunatic idea has done. This imaginary pedo ring has allowed someone to get away with murder.

OMG, I can't believe it. Politicians don't molest children? only hookers?...HA! Tell that to the Boy Scouts of America in Liberty Missouri (KC suburb). They were molested repeatedly by the convicted public official by the name of Jack Roberts (and his friends). As close to a Paedo ring as you can get without sales receipts.

Here are a few more Political Paedos for ya...I'll start with Republicans first:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Republican+pedophiles

 

[rbeck]

Here are 2 more you didnt mention.Both of these men were mentioned by Paul Bonacci in his 1993 debriefing Paul traveled to Boston for sex with NAMBLA members and to have sex with these politicians in the 80s although Paul mispronounced them as Barney Franks and Gary Studds
1 Congressman Gerry Studds Democrat Massachusettes (molested a 17 year old senate page in 1983) first openly gay congressman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerry_Studds
2 Senator Barney Frank Democrat Massachusettes (was caught with a 18 year old male prostitute living in his basement running an escort service after he was caught Barney threatened to out some of his republican rivals as being closeted gay.)This idiot is still in office you will see him on cspan alot hes chairman of the House Finance Services Committee
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_Frank

 

[Teresa Larson]

I am not disputing the fact that some politicians have ties to pedo-rings I am saying there is no concrete evidence that Johnny was kidnapped by anyone like that. You can argue all day long about this that and the other but the fact still remains there is no proof. The only reason I made mention of the NY governor's sexual scandal is because some one else was making an issue out of it. You can rant and rave all you want about the Franklin Credit Union, the Omaha Police and the government but that will never solve this case. If you want to try and solve this case get the police to question the head of the Religious Camp Johnny went to before his disappearance. The one Noreen would not allow the Private Investigators to talk to.

 

[lilmisssleuth]

All this about the Franklin Files and pedo rings maybe true, but there is no concrete evidence that Johnny's disappearance is linked to it. There is a lot of speculation and it very well may be, but until I see concrete proof I just can't take it as fact. Show me Rusty Nelson's pictures, get DNA from Gannon....

 

[rbeck]

All this about the Franklin Files and pedo rings maybe true, but there is no concrete evidence that Johnny's disappearance is linked to it. There is a lot of speculation and it very well may be, but until I see concrete proof I just can't take it as fact. Show me Rusty Nelson's pictures, get DNA from Gannon....

Johnny told his mom he was linked to Larry Kings group for goodness sakes
All the witnesses that saw Johnny at theses orgies held by Larry King and the witnesses that saw Johnny at the ranch home near Sedalia, Colorado owned by Col. Aquino is enough evidence for me. Sadly some people have no trust or faith and they just cant take anything as fact unless they have proof. Pathetic its a wonder how they can believe anything. anyway
I have heard through some underground circles that Rusty maybe planning on releasing some of his pictures that were not stolen by the FBI or police very soon. He maybe waiting on the election this year when the Bush family will finally be out of office.John Decamp actually got to see a small percentage of his photos when Rusty was thrown in jail in Oregon in 1990 but he will not talk much about it.