IA IA - Johnny Gosch, 12, W Des Moines, 5 Sept 1982 - What happened? - #3

[CW]

Please continue you.
I am warning members if the rudness should continue there will be timeouts given.
Thank You
WindChime

 

[2sisters]

To start I will add his charley page for any newcomers.
http://charleyproject.org/cases/g/gosch_john.html
Also missing from DesMoines is Eugene martin, also on a newspaper route.

AMW page. Has a good bit of info.
http://www.amw.com/missing_children/case.cfm?id=26170

 

[2sisters]

Loganone made this map of where boys of that age group and time period vanished.
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=e...8123129470712182220.000440c9ce904f6017530&z=6

 

[iowa gurl]

Thanks Wind Chime

Here are the REAL facts

Johnny has not come home
Something Happened to Johnny
What happened to Johnny?

I wish we could all discuss and not resort to name calling when we disagree with someone.

 

[Teresa Larson]

rbeck Quote ???? Ted Gunderson, Jim Rothstein, Dennis Whalen are 3 liscensed experienced private investigators working on the Johnny Gosch case for awhile over 15 years at least. where have you been? i thought you knew that?


Denny Whalen has been dead for years. He was from Omaha. Where have you been??? LOL

 

[Teresa Larson]

Ted Gunderson retired He is 80 years old Jim Rothstein is also retired so I highly doubt they are still working on Johnny's case.

 

[Roy Harrold]

There was a serial killer of newsboys that operated in that area (Nebraska), near that time: John Joubert

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/predators/john_joubert/index.html

As I recall, he was ruled out as a suspect in the Gosch case but why was never made clear. His MO was identical to what is alleged about Johnny's kidnapping, and Gosch was a match to the profile of boys this sick monster preyed upon.

 

[Dr. Doogie]

Gunderson: had posted on his website that aliens were kidnapping children and using them as slave labor in secret mines under Area 51. I know that you stated that TLG is computer-illiterate and that may not be aware that the alien story is there, but this information appeared on his official web biography. It is not the sort of information that gets misunderstood ("I told him that I was experienced in fingerprinting, but my webmaster thought I said that children were being used as slave labor by large reptillian aliens at a secret underground compound in Nevada. I guess I should enunciate better.") I do not consider him legitimate.

Rothstein: claimed that he had a picture of George HW Bush together with Johnny Gosch that would break the case wide open. When the picture was released, it was a picture of a campaign stop where JG's face had been superimposed onto the body of someone in the crowd standing directly behind Bush. Problem number one is that Bush is a very tall man and "Johnny" was close to the same height. Problem number two is that Bush has never been accused of being an idiot, yet Rothstein would have us believe that George was dragging his kidnapped child sex-slave, one of the most famous of all missing children and the original "milk carton kid", along with him as he made public appearances. Rothstein either knew the photo was bogus and ran with it anyway or is a complete fool for falling for this hoax. I do not consider him legitimate.

BTW, Rbeck, I have not forgotten your request for details beyond the above about Gunderson. I will gather and post my info over this weekend - I want to make sure that I am correct in any statement I make and that I can link to the appropriate source for my material.

 

[Roy Harrold]

Doogie - The fact that both Gunderson & Rothstein were completely suckered by the very obviously nonsensical "Jeff Gannon is Johnny Gosch" canard, by itself, disqualifies them both as "credible investigators" in my eyes.

For Gunderson, refer:
http://www.rense.com/general63/100.htm
"A confidential source of Ted's has - in a conversation with Ted yesterday afternoon - given a 100% confirmation that Jeff Gannon/Jim Guckert is very definitely Johnny Gosch."

and:
http://www.conspiracyplanet.com/channel.cfm?channelid=2&contentid=1995
"I think Jeff Gannon is Johnny Gosch, and I think he planned this to get even with them for screwing up his life from age 12 on," said Gunderson"

For Rothstein:
http://www.rense.com/general67/gannn.htm
"For example, Jim Rothstein, a retired NYC Detective, who spent 35 years on the force, much of it investigating child slavery and pedophile rings, asserts that the evidence is strong that Gannon is actually Johnny Gosch. "To me Gannon looks like Johnny," Rothstein opines-- "Everything just fits - the profile, the M.O., everything, "

and:
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/goschgannohuntertrublingtale05apr05.shtml
Rothstein has been involved as a private investigator on the Gosch case for the past several years, and says he is working to get the final proof needed to determine Gannon's true identity.
"We're working on getting a tail on him and getting a DNA sample to test," he says. "I still can't figure out why no-one knows where he (Gannon) was for 10 years."
There have been some Internet postings that give a timeline of Gannon's life, but according to Rothstein they are based on flimsy information that is not to be trusted.
"Records are easy to create," he says. "Maybe this Guckert kid died and someone took over his identity. If it is not Johnny Gosch, then it's one of the other kids like Johnny Gosch."

 

[shefner]

I think plenty of people felt certain that there was/is a Gannon/Gosch connection. I might not go so far as to say it is certain but Gunderson was relying on information he believed was credible.
Rusty Nelson said (in his interview posted on youtube) that he felt Gannon was indeed Johnny Gosch.

I think we could all agree that Jeff Gannon is a suspicious person.

 

[shefner]

Interview on youtube of Rusty Nelson....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=K_4wyBGVxug

 

[Roy Harrold]

I think plenty of people felt certain that there was/is a Gannon/Gosch connection. I might not go so far as to say it is certain but Gunderson was relying on information he believed was credible.
Rusty Nelson said (in his interview posted on youtube) that he felt Gannon was indeed Johnny Gosch.

I think we could all agree that Jeff Gannon is a suspicious person.

Rusty Nelson is a convicted child pornographer. Sex offenders don't make good sources, by definition they are conniving liars since that is a necessary component of how they obtain victims. "Investigators" who treat sex offenders as though they were credible sources are...not credible investigators.

In my opinion.

 

[shefner]

Rusty Nelson is a convicted child pornographer. Sex offenders don't make good sources, by definition they are conniving liars since that is a necessary component of how they obtain victims. "Investigators" who treat sex offenders as though they were credible sources are...not credible investigators.

In my opinion.

Of course he's a child pornographer....he took pictures of the little kids in Larry King's pedo world....The pics that were snatched when Gary Coridori's (I think I haven't spelled this right...my allergy meds are kicking in) plane crashed. Only those who have been on the "inside" of this case will have the information to truly help solve it. Many of them are already dead. Of course, this is just my opinion...no greater or lesser than any other.

It appears we're going no where fast. I guess I can never convince you or some others here that there was a Franklin Coverup (that was possibly related to the Johnny Gosch disappearance) and you'll probably never convince me that it didn't happen. In light of that, there's not that much to discuss. I do hope that, one day, we'll know what happened to Johnny.

 

[Roy Harrold]

Of course he's a child pornographer....he took pictures of the little kids in Larry King's pedo world....The pics that were snatched when Gary Coridori's (I think I haven't spelled this right...my allergy meds are kicking in) plane crashed. Only those who have been on the "inside" of this case will have the information to truly help solve it. Many of them are already dead. Of course, this is just my opinion...no greater or lesser than any other.

It appears we're going no where fast. I guess I can never convince you or some others here that there was a Franklin Coverup (that was possibly related to the Johnny Gosch disappearance) and you'll probably never convince me that it didn't happen. In light of that, there's not that much to discuss. I do hope that, one day, we'll know what happened to Johnny.

I agree - there's not much to discuss.
I also hope that we will someday know the truth about Johnny Gosch.

I hope that you will think about Theresa Duncan and Jeremy Blake, from time to time. Don't let this obsession consume you. Please.

 

[rbeck]

I need to share some information that you guys dont seem to know about Russell Eric "Rusty" Nelson. Rusty is NOT i repeat NOT a child pornographer period.While Rusty was working for Larry King as his personal assistant\photographer he took legit pictures for Larry King and his charities he was involved in. for instance the opening of the Black History Museum in Harlem NY which Larry king donated a substantial amount of money to. during his employment Rusty was asked numerous times by Larry to take *advertiser censored* pictures of the pedophile orgies and he refused on every occasion. "I knew what was going on and I avoided them(orgies) like the plague" a direct quote from Rusty.Larry hired a second photographer named Nick (i dont know his last name) to take the child *advertiser censored* pictures. The blackmail photos that Rusty gave to investigator Caradorri before he was killed were not pornographic but showed some of these children in the company of politicians where if any of these kids could be identified as boystown kids, missing kids (johnny gosch) it would raise eyebrows and ask questions of what they were doing there. Rusty took these pictures from the hip secretly then hiding the roll of film for his protection not as a pornographer.Rusty is a talented professional photographer and artist go to his personal website www.rpixels.com and you can view some of his work.His studio does weddings bridal showers,events,model photography etc.This is what caused him to be falsely convicted as a sex offender.Rusty took semi nude photos for a young model for her portfolio apparently she was under 19 and falsely signed a waver saying she was over 19. hes not the sleazy child pornographer people seem to think he is but a legitimate witness and a brave man hes threatened all the time to keep quiet

 

[Roy Harrold]

Mr rbeck - I'm doing my best to keep my temper under control while I type this. I'm frankly appalled that you would come to a place like this, where people are working on solving the disappearance of women and children, many of whom can be presumed to be the victims of sexual predators, and engage in not only defending convicted sex offenders but also blaming of victims.

"Oh, it was her fault, she lied about her age" - I DON'T BELIEVE THAT!

Gunderson does the same thing, in one of his radio shows on the subject of convicted sex offender Nelson. He goes into this outrageous chauvanistic rant - "Oh, it was nothing - you know how young girls can be, they'll do anything to get their picture taken by a professional photographer" - disgusting nonsense!

Rothstein also, in one of the radio braodcasts, tries to exonerate Ritter of Covenent house - "oh, no, he was totally innocent" - bah humbug! It's true that Ritter was not convicted, but the internal investigation by Covenent house concluded that Ritter had engaged in sexual acts with runaway boys served by that facility.

This theme, of defending and excusing sex offenders is very offensive to me. It also convinces me that the whole Franklin tale is a pack of lies.

 

[2sisters]

Mr rbeck - I'm doing my best to keep my temper under control while I type this. I'm frankly appalled that you would come to a place like this, where people are working on solving the disappearance of women and children, many of whom can be presumed to be the victims of sexual predators, and engage in not only defending convicted sex offenders but also blaming of victims.

"Oh, it was her fault, she lied about her age" - I DON'T BELIEVE THAT!

Gunderson does the same thing, in one of his radio shows on the subject of convicted sex offender Nelson. He goes into this outrageous chauvanistic rant - "Oh, it was nothing - you know how young girls can be, they'll do anything to get their picture taken by a professional photographer" - disgusting nonsense!

Rothstein also, in one of the radio braodcasts, tries to exonerate Ritter of Covenent house - "oh, no, he was totally innocent" - bah humbug! It's true that Ritter was not convicted, but the internal investigation by Covenent house concluded that Ritter had engaged in sexual acts with runaway boys served by that facility.

This theme, of defending and excusing sex offenders is very offensive to me. It also convinces me that the whole Franklin tale is a pack of lies.

:clap: :clap: :clap: Well said!

 

[Eire]

:clap: :clap: :clap: Well said!

I'll second that. Roy, I know you took a break for a while, please stick around this time m'kay?

 

[WSTarheel]

Delurking to put in my own 2 cents.

I currently sit on the fence as far as whether the Franklin Case and Johnny Gosch are connected. I'm still trying to sort everything out and I very much appreciate the information provided by ALL posters.

However, it's obvious to me that whenever certain aspects of this case are brought up, there are a couple of people that try to shut down the conversation. Why is that? I realize those people have already made up their OWN mind about things but why do they try and prevent the rest of us from doing the same?

If someone brings up something that I already know or if they start going down a path that I've already discounted, it's really not that hard for me to skip that post or ignore that poster. This website is not a news outlet or a court room. It's a DISCUSSION board! Please let the discussion continue!

 

[Roy Harrold]

Why is that? asks WSTarheel?

Because it's not conversation, it's 'evangelism' and spamming that involves reams of unsubstantiated libel. Much of it, frankly, is Christian Patriot Militia propaganda.

There are already at least three threads on this site, on this subject, that each run for 26 pages. If you plug "franklin cover-up" into google you can access hundreds of webpages on the topic, all of them repeating the same "information" over & over again. You really need to see it dissected again, to "make up your mind"?

I went from a lurker to a poster, years ago, because the Gosch threads on this site were being abused. The terms of service for Websleuths prevent me from discussing the details of exactly how they were being abused, and I intend to honor that, but that's how I became an active poster.

You are right, however, that it's not my place to decide if a given posting is spam or not. Perhaps I should relent and just let "the conversation" flow wherever it will, eh?

Ok. But I reserve the right to confront & debunk (respectfully) all false statements, in detail.