Am I allowed to put that website on here? Anybody? It's another forum that discusses Johnny Gosch (among other things). I don't want to break the rules on this forum.
To all:
Never for a moment did I think that I was the first person to notice and note the strange coincidence that the first and only day that Johnny Gosch went on his route alone just happened to be the day when someone was waiting to abduct him or any suitable target of opportunity. I mean, its glaring! What I didnt know until just very recently, however, was that the same was true for Eugene Martin!
Ive been reading some past notes on WS, and I came across a gentleman whose insights I am very impressed with. He, like me, seems most skeptical of this entire sinister conspiracy angle of Mrs. Gosch. More importantly, he has put forth a theory that answers the coincidence problem in both cases (and the coincidence of the coincidences between them!) in a most plausible way that does not involve the boys having been set up by anyone close to them.
Please note the post by Roy Harrold posted on 3-28-2009 at 12:57 PM. It is the fifth post on this page; on this very thread:
http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache...Gibson"+Johnny+Gosch&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Bravo! This is the idea I have been searching my mind for!
It was no coincidence. The perp was some man with an association with the paper carriers on a daily basis. Were looking for a Michael Devlin type, a physically big man who would have felt confident he could handle a larger youngster like Johnny. Johnny might not have been his first choice as far as his perverted desires went, but he was acceptable and the opportunity presented itself that day, as it did later with Eugene if the perp had been one and the same. This could be a route manager, delivery driver or anyone else with a daily interaction with paper carriers.
With the benefit of Mr. Harrolds brilliant insight, I, for one, now revert to my original inclination; i.e., the perp was the typical lone predator pervert type and all this conspiracy theory, built upon the most dubious of sources, fades into the fantasy that it always has been, at least in regard to Johnny Gosch.
The only person I could think of who would have contact with the paper carriers on a daily basis would be customers on the route. I haven't read what the police did in the initial search, but I assume and hope they looked at every person on the route.
Then again, since Johnny's papers were undelivered that day, maybe it wasn't someone on the route. Were there businesses nearby? A bakery would have people working early. Maybe somebody saw Johnny alone that morning and took a chance. I know there was a church nearby -- somebody from there, maybe?
Witnesses (other carriers) said they saw two men -- a man in a car (this is the man they made a sketch of as a POI) and a man following Johnny on foot. The man in the car asked Johnny for directions. Johnny felt uncomfortable and said, "That guy is weird; I'm going home" (or something like that). Later, another man was seen following Johnny on foot.
I think there could have been more than one person who took Johnny. Like you said, he was a big kid. It would make sense that there was more than one person to snatch him.
Article with odd new quote from Noreen:
"I never have lost hope that this case would be solved. If Johnny survived that would be, on top of it all," said Gosch.
More at link:
http://www.kcci.com/news/20604637/detail.html
I say odd because I've been following this since the beginning and heard/watched her on "Leeza" the day she announced that John was alive and visited her during the night.
I wonder if this is the supposed Michaela Garecht link with one of the same perps. Very interesting statement from her. I wonder if she's learned that a lot of the stuff she was fed over the years has been bs.She said she now knows the names of the men who abducted Johnny who are wanted for kidnapping in other states and is working with police to find them.
Actually this whole article really, in my mind, contradicts a lot of what she has stated in the past. I wonder if this is the supposed Michaela Garecht link with one of the same perps. Very interesting statement from her. I wonder if she's learned that a lot of the stuff she was fed over the years has been bs.
I agree that it sounds crazy. However, some unbelievable things have happened that I never would have thought possible. People who have been missing for 20+ years have turned up, alive and well. Secret lairs have been found that housed people who have been held captive there for years and years. Improbable things sometimes become probable.
I try to remain skeptical, but there is always this little blip in my brain that whispers "What if...?"
Are you talking about the part where she says, "If Johnny were alive..."?
I wonder about the perps, too. She has said that she knows who kidnapped Johnny. According to her, it was Paul B, a guy named Tony, Sam Soda, and maybe some others, I don't know. Either she means she's working with LE to track some of these guys down (even though she knows the whereabouts of at least Paul and Sam), or it was different people entirely.
Doesnt Mrs. Gosch state within her book that when Johnny visited her (at least that is her claim) that he stated he and the (mysterious) young man he seemed deferential to had escaped from this sinister conspiratorial organization and had been living on the run? If so, then how come during a video I saw online of an interview with her she agrees with the interviewer that this organization allows visits by adults abducted as children, but only for a very short duration, which is why Johnnys visit was so brief?
Johnny is living on Indian reservations and altering his appearance to fit in? President Bush the Elder (of all people!) is somehow part of this conspiracy? (President Bush the Elder? This silver-spooned, New England patrician of the WWII generation who, despite what one thinks of his politics, has never evidenced even the slightest hint of personal scandal: substance abuse; adultery; gambling, or just about any other scandalous behavior (if such even exists any longer) one can think of; a devoted family man with a long and enduring marriage to a woman of his ilk (a direct descendent of President Pierce), lusts after little boys?
What is the psychology here? The more outrageous the lie the more likely it is to be believed any more? How about Mother Teresa was running brothels? "Hey, yeah! If the supermarket tabloids wont take it, theres always the internet!"
Doesnt Mrs. Gosch state within her book that when Johnny visited her (at least that is her claim) that he stated he and the (mysterious) young man he seemed deferential to had escaped from this sinister conspiratorial organization and had been living on the run? If so, then how come during a video I saw online of an interview with her she agrees with the interviewer that this organization allows visits by adults abducted as children, but only for a very short duration, which is why Johnnys visit was so brief?
Johnny is living on Indian reservations and altering his appearance to fit in? President Bush the Elder (of all people!) is somehow part of this conspiracy? (President Bush the Elder? This silver-spooned, New England patrician of the WW II generation who, despite what one thinks of his politics, has never evidenced even the slightest hint of personal scandal: substance abuse; adultery; gambling, or just about any other scandalous behavior (if such even exists any longer) one can think of; a devoted family man with a long and enduring marriage to a woman of his ilk (a direct descendent of President Pierce), lusts after little boys?)
What is the psychology here? The more outrageous the lie the more likely it is to be believed any more? How about Mother Teresa was running brothels? "Hey, yeah! If the supermarket tabloids wont take it, theres always the internet!"
I do have a big feeling that this has happened to him, on a small scale. The more outlandish claims, especially from the Franklin Files book and website, are just....sad. There's a lot of things that are possible, and especially in light of Jaycee's case, Shawn Hornbeck, I can easily see him being kept for several years. Even the case in Austria, as horrific as that is, that woman was kept down there until she was in her 40's. So sadly....nothing about this case would surprise me, should any new real info ever come out. Again though, this has all been re-hashed again and again on this thread..sort of a big circle.I do believe it is possible that Johnny was forced into some pedo sex ring. That really happens. But some of the other claims are so far out. I just don't think I can go there with it.
If what I am being told is true (and what I have speculated by reading between the lines is also true), then Johnny is in a place where having a social security number is not neccessary. No one has specifically said, but I would suspect that he uses an alias and that few know of his past. He is in a place that is very insulated from the outside world and intrusion by any strangers would be prevented - perhaps even by force if neccessary.