IA IA - KLUNDER, Michael J: Violent Sexual Offender, Murderer, and Suspected SK

[watcher9]

yikes - here is 3319 Taylor

http://webster.iowaassessors.com/parcel.php?gid=15824

Did you notice that there were buildings beside and behind the house on the assessor report? I am thinking that one of these buildings housed some pigs also.

Found this article where it says Klunder was found at a hog confinement operation. Maybe his truck was in the driveway on the way to the back.
It sure would make more sense for him to hang himself in a barn like setting rather than in the truck itself. Maybe he drove the truck into a barn and hung himself from the rafter when he jumped off the truck?
I am assuming "out" meant "at"?

Two of the locations are hog confinement operations that officials said Klunder worked out -- where the 12-year-old escaped and where Klunder was found dead.

http://www.ketv.com/news/local-news...eded/-/9674510/20271830/-/rkt52j/-/index.html

 

[Dr. Know?]

I thought this picture was inside a barn where Klunder & his truck were found. Original picture of the scene and all.

Scroll down the article to the red truck. I see electrical wire on a spool...the picture was too big to post.

http://wqad.com/2013/05/23/missing-iowa-girls-blood-found-at-hog-confinement/

 

[Merry]

Not with the female adult victims, but with MJK's younger aged victims he always took on in twos, because he perhaps thought if they were younger he could take both on at the same time. Iowa is a tad rural of a state and comes in at the early thirties in population of states statistics . JMO, I mostly think MJK killed Elizabeth and Lyric, but it is not like there is any certainty due to evidence.

 

[watcher9]

The article also says that DH escaped from the truck - not the office that we had also heard. Do we know which place was confirmed?

Trusting her gut, she also kept thinking that something wasn't right, and when their abductor got Kathlynn from the vehicle at the hog confinement he took them to, Dezi took the opportunity to escape.

I thought this picture was inside a barn where Klunder & his truck were found. Original picture of the scene and all.

Scroll down the article to the red truck. I see electrical wire on a spool...the picture was too big to post.

http://wqad.com/2013/05/23/missing-iowa-girls-blood-found-at-hog-confinement/

Thanks for finding this article and picture of the truck in the barn. It makes sense then that he hanged himself in the barn from the truck and his body was found by the trunk.

This is also the article or one like it that said the girls were taken into the office from which DH escaped. So which one is correct - the truck or the office?

Once at the hog confinement, Klunder reportedly took the girls into an office attached to a hog building where he zip-tied the girls’ hands. When Klunder took Kathlynn out of the building, the other girl escaped and ran to a nearby home.

Did we ever get a closeup or overview of the hog building he took them to? Could it have been behind a house like the one he was found in? When he took them to this hog place, how did he know there wouldn't be any witnesses? If the girls weren't zip-tied until they were in the office, were they sitting up where other people or cameras could see them as he drove around?

I guess my questions all seem so crazy being after the fact and all, but I am been trying to find if there is something in this case that could also apply as a clue to what happened in the L & E case.

I wish we knew if there were any zip-ties or electrical wire found at Seven Bridges.

 

[otto]

Thanks for finding this article and picture of the truck in the barn. It makes sense then that he hanged himself in the barn from the truck and his body was found by the trunk.

This is also the article or one like it that said the girls were taken into the office from which DH escaped. So which one is correct - the truck or the office?

Once at the hog confinement, Klunder reportedly took the girls into an office attached to a hog building where he zip-tied the girls’ hands. When Klunder took Kathlynn out of the building, the other girl escaped and ran to a nearby home.

Did we ever get a closeup or overview of the hog building he took them to? Could it have been behind a house like the one he was found in? When he took them to this hog place, how did he know there wouldn't be any witnesses? If the girls weren't zip-tied until they were in the office, were they sitting up where other people or cameras could see them as he drove around?

I guess my questions all seem so crazy being after the fact and all, but I am been trying to find if there is something in this case that could also apply as a clue to what happened in the L & E case.

I wish we knew if there were any zip-ties or electrical wire found at Seven Bridges.

I'd be inclined to go with the earlier article, as the other victim did answer questions immediately after the kidnapping. It seems to me that if it was the truck, then both girls would be alive, as it would be better to have two living victims and a kidnapping then blood on the back of the pickup. Did the second girl witness the murder of her friend, or did she just say that they were separated?

I suspect that Klunder discovered the second girl missing after the first one was murdered. He had the backpacks, which were either in his vehicle or in the office where they were going to phone their parents ... isn't that why they were in the office, to phone their parents and ask permission to mow lawns?

If zip ties were used in both abductions, they should be traceable via their plastic composition and presumably some sort of production run lot number. I wonder how long it takes for that sort of analysis to be completed.

 

[Foxfire]

As usual, I am a little skeptical as to whether investigators are unsure that MJK is responsible for EC & LC's abduction/murders. LE knows where MJK was on July 12 & 14/2012, yet unsure about the 13th?
Well, as we know, the statistics show that the mortality rate of child abduction victims are only hours. Why is July 12th & 14th relevant? Imo, if MJK is deemed to be responsible for EC & LC's abduction, the political repucussions would be enormous.

Why has the vehicle/s description that MJK owned or had access too on July 13, 2012 been kept from the public?
Imo, the MODs & CODs should have been obvious indicators as to MJKs involvement, imo, as is the very rare abduction of a pair of child female victims.

Couple these indicators with many others such as the use of different police jurisdictions, MJK's familarity with the secluded 7Bridges park safe haven/body disposal location 20 miles away, MJK's violent criminal history, and vengeance may have played a part as to motive for EC & LC's abduction, murder, and specific rural secluded body disposal location..
The circumstantial evidence from the information known is overwhelming, imo. Investigators are privy to much more info than we have. Imo, it is past time for transparency by investigators in EC & LC's tragic abduction and murder..

"According to an administrative law judge who reviewed the psychologist’s findings in 2002, Klunder was still brooding then about “getting back at the people who he thinks are responsible for the pain in his life.”

Evansdale Police Chief Kent Smock said Wednesday they are working on “connecting the dots” right now and about 10 investigators, including FBI, DCI and local authorities, are working on that theory. However, they have “no hard facts” to make that connection at this time. They are similarities between the two kidnappings but they want to be cautious because nobody is interested in naming the wrong person.

“This isn’t the first time we have investigated a connection like this,” Smock said. “At this point, we want to keep the community and families informed and everybody wants closure but they also want justice. We don’t want to falsely implicate him (Klunder) if he’s not involved. He’s no longer alive but he has family and if we get the wrong suspect, the real one will go free.”
- See more at: http://thegazette.com/2013/05/22/ba...n-dayton-abduction-case/#sthash.YwKamrip.dpuf

 

[watcher9]

You would also think LE would know what kind of vehicle MK was driving during that time, either owned or had access to? Did the white van/boxy truck request come out before or after the Dayton girls were taken?

 

[alliemay]

Quote:"According to an administrative law judge who reviewed the psychologist’s findings in 2002, Klunder was still brooding then about “getting back at the people who he thinks are responsible for the pain in his life.”

So that was in 2002, I wonder if there is any indication in this person's report as to who MK said he felt did him wrong, or caused the problems in his life, revenge against whom?

 

[alliemay]

It seems like he was mad at his victims, the one he drove the school bus with probably didn't take to his advances, I'm sure the women he pulled over to the side of the road didn't take to his advances either. So he was angry with them. The two girls he took because he said he was angry with the one little girl. He tried to choke a co-worker, so again he is angry at his victim. Makes me wonder with K + D, if he had passed them before?

 

[robert goren]

I really don't like how many ties MK had to area where L and L were found. At some point its not coincidence anymore. I wish LE would release more information.

 

[B4igo2it]

Recently, I traveled through the areas where MJK lived; near rest areas, wooded areas (state parks, etc.) and along Interstate 35 where tons of people pass through every day, stop for gas, a break at the rest areas, etc. I have stopped at these places more times than I can count during my travels - I always felt safe. (I drive thru Iowa on my way to Minnesota to visit parents/family). Most of my relatives live in Iowa; near MJK's residences and relatives, in those rural towns. I spent a lot of time in the same areas MJK did and odds are our paths would have crossed had I been 10 years younger; and that is a frightening thought!

I wonder how many other victims there are? Just think if he had not been incarcerated how many more victims there would be. He was one sick person capable of the unthinkable. I thank the Lord he is no longer a threat to anyone ... ever again!

Serial killer Tommy Sells reminds me of MJK
http://voices.yahoo.com/biography-serial-killer-tommy-lynn-sells-6154624.html?cat=7

 

[B4igo2it]

Has Kathlyn's cause of death ever been published? Just curious.

 

[Foxfire]

Has Kathlyn's cause of death ever been published? Just curious.

http://whotv.com/2013/06/09/autopsy-results-kathlynns-family-get-answers/

The state medical examiner says Shepard died from multiple sharp and blunt force injuries.
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B4igo2it, from info known of MJK's history. He was a very violent rage filled sexual predator and hedonistic killer, imo. The autopsies/CODs of EC & LC would have indicated this rage, imo.

 

[B4igo2it]

Yes, that's what I recently was told ... shovel. No mention of sexual assault. I think you are correct about the violent rage! I suspect he was quite angry at DH's escape and the threat of returning to lock-up. What a beast!


o/t: check out this 21 yr old beast; Kirk Levin

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/08/iowa-murder-rape-trial/1818679/

I just don't know about some people, I really don't :facepalm:

 

[watcher9]

Recently, I traveled through the areas where MJK lived; near rest areas, wooded areas (state parks, etc.) and along Interstate 35 where tons of people pass through every day, stop for gas, a break at the rest areas, etc. I have stopped at these places more times than I can count during my travels - I always felt safe. (I drive thru Iowa on my way to Minnesota to visit parents/family). Most of my relatives live in Iowa; near MJK's residences and relatives, in those rural towns. I spent a lot of time in the same areas MJK did and odds are our paths would have crossed had I been 10 years younger; and that is a frightening thought!

I wonder how many other victims there are? Just think if he had not been incarcerated how many more victims there would be. He was one sick person capable of the unthinkable. I thank the Lord he is no longer a threat to anyone ... ever again!

Serial killer Tommy Sells reminds me of MJK
http://voices.yahoo.com/biography-serial-killer-tommy-lynn-sells-6154624.html?cat=7

OT - I hope you don't mind but I copied your link on Sells over to his serial killer thread for the info the article contained. It was very informative. Here's a link to his thread.

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=188698"]TX TX/MO/AZ/IL/MS - Tommy Lynn Sells - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

 

[watcher9]

Kathlynn Shepard's parents released info that their younger daughter had also been approached by Klunder before Kathlynn and her friend D was abducted.
This link was posted on the Kathlynn Shepard thread by Dr. Know? and probably needs to be discussed in this thread.

http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/...-sister-first-mom-says/article?nclick_check=1

Now I wonder if he approached any other girls before or between the daughter and the two girls who were actually kidnapped on that day? Surely these girls weren't the only ones walking home from school? Do we know of any reports of him approaching other girls on an earlier day? Maybe in a different vehicle? Have they come forward but the info is under wraps? What made it different for these two cases that attracted his evil eyes? Was there an argument at home or work that day? Could it be that no one else was nearby at the time? No traffic going by?

 

[Foxfire]

House panel OKs tougher penalties on offenders in wake of Kathlynn Shepard case
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&#8220;Our community has been awesome coming together, but since we do live in such a small town you don&#8217;t see kids running around like they used to,&#8221; she said. She added that she approved of the proposed legislation, saying, &#8220;I think it will keep these monsters in prison longer.&#8221;

Her husband gave a brief statement recounting her daughter&#8217;s last words to her friend, 12-year-old DH, after they were both abducted.

&#8220;We don&#8217;t deserve this,&#8221; Kathylynn Shepard told her friend.

http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/...g-criminal-penalties/article?odyssey=obinsite

 

[robert goren]

After Kathlynn disappeared I heard a rumor that they had security camera footage from the elementary school in Dayton that showed MK driving around the school. And there was another rumor that people in Dayton remembered seeing MK's truck around town in the days leading up to the kidnapping. I am sure there is a lot that LE knows but they are keeping it quiet. I don't know how to do it but could somebody plot the location of the RSO that MK was friends with on facebook address, his step brother's address, and L and L's grandmother's house address in the Waterloo Iowa metro area? I'm curious as to the proximity of these locations to each other.

 

[Foxfire]

A little OT, but if you have been following the sisters Sheila and Katherine Lyon that vanished almost 4 decades ago:

http://www.fbi.gov/baltimore/press-...napping-of-lyon-sisters-others-victims-sought

Person of Interest Named in Kidnapping of Lyon Sisters; Others Victims Sought
FBI Baltimore
February 11, 2014

Public Affairs Specialist Amy Thoreson
(410) 277-6689
The Montgomery County Police Department Cold Case Squad and FBI agents in the Baltimore Division have named a person of interest in the disappearance of sisters Sheila and Katherine Lyon from a popular suburban Washington, D.C. shopping center in 1975. Investigators say Lloyd Lee Welch, (date of birth December 30, 1956), aka Michael Welch, pictured below, was noticed paying attention to the sisters the afternoon they disappeared.

<sniped from the timeline of locations where child predator LL Welch was over the years>

April 27, 1987 Sioux City, Iowa
February 4, 1988 Sioux City, Iowa

 

[Bootsctr]

Off topic: Two hour special on ID regarding IK tomorrow. Set your DVR's, hoppers, Genies, etc. al. 7:00 o'clock Central Time. Second part follows at 8:00 o'clock central time. Dark Minds! Channel 192 ID on Dish.