Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 #14

[wary]

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But as far as I know, even her family hasn't said that she was on her computer "late into the night."

 

[Ommmm]

I have decided after reading for two weeks...that Mollie disappeared while she was out jogging. I think she went for her run through town and then was on her way to her mother's home. Everything just points to that. Somebody she knew or somebody enticed her into their car/truck. Maybe she stumbled and somebody came along and offered assistance.
The dogs were safe, her glasses and wallet at home and she did her usual run. I'm not sure about the searches in other places because I'm not familiar with that area/city/state. As far as the snapchat she sent to her bf and he received it at 10. She could have sent it much earlier. Homework on her computer was probably done before she left for her run. I'm at peace with this theory and hope and pray Mollie is found soon and her family can rest easy.

I agree with your theory, and I feel that the fact that her run was shorter than normal (15 minutes, when she usually ran for 45) supports this.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Next presser:

Question- “are you focusing on any specific area in your search?”

Answer- “I’m not aware of any specific area. I would have to go back and look at my notes.”

I think Ted Williams with FNN has the best question to ask them.

He wants to ask them "You say you need the media and the public's help in finding Mollie then don't you think you need to give us all the actual timeline she was taken?"

 

[otto]

Interesting theory. I've taken a few online courses (didn't use same system as Iowa though - the Iowa system was described in depth many threads ago...) but our system would log you out automatically if you were inactive for a period of time. It was a source of much aggravation but the school refused to make the auto logout time longer for security reasons. Iowa is a big school network and most likely has solid security protocols in place. I would be surprised if their network admin folks couldn't tell precise login, logout, web id, and ip and probably even more things than I know about MT being online that night.
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This link tells you what student analytics are available using the Canvas LMS.

How do I view analytics for a student in a course? | Canvas LMS Community

I recently took a course using Canvas. There is no time-out period, and the LMS remembered passwords. This is different from other LMSs, such as D2L, which does not allow the computer to remember passwords and does have a time-out period.

Instructors can see how long a student has been in the course, and I can tell you from experience that it's not unusual for a student to log into the course and walk away simply to log time in the course without wasting time wading through boring stuff.

 

[Harmony 2]

Re: AriannaColorado’s post on thread #13
My reply to this post just got up before we moved to the next thread, so I just wanted to repost since things had moved on:
Very good observations! I made reference to an online oddity I had noticed regarding your points #2 and #4 yesterday, and the moderator snipped it within minutes. It was the first time I had ever posted anything on any social media forum so I felt horrible and my next post was an apology. I was told not to “sleuth” family or something along those lines. I only used initials and did not reference the post but it was still snipped. So, I decided not to log in and post anything else but instead just continue lurking like I had for years. But I just had to log in and comment are your post. I can’t believe it hasn’t been snipped like mine. All your points are very valid and I have a lot to add but will refrain. Great points though!

We are not to sleuth family or the family's social media.

 

[DexterMorgan]

Thank you for putting a stake in this! I concur. I have a large breed dog and he absolutely will not go inside even if given the opportunity in the garage on newspaper (don't ask, but it was a major blizzard!). So while 24 hrs is clearly a long time for large dogs with no break, 12-16 hrs can be done (absolutely at bad idea but it can be handled by the dogs).

I can tell if my dogs have been fed from the number of empty cans in the garbage. Or missing cans from the pantry.

 

[otto]

My issue is the electronic evidence. If it is true, and they have evidence that irrefutably shows she was active on her computer late into the night, then an earlier kidnapping simply doesn’t jibe. The door to that possibility is only open, if that digital evidence isn’t firm.

Not true. What they have is information that her online course was accessed and it's very possible that it was simply left open while Mollie went for a run. The fact that she was logged in does not mean that she was sitting at the computer reviewing coursework.

 

[Pixie Dust]

Not every dog can go 24hrs without relieving themselves.

Plus eating methods vary so its still possible to get a time line of some sort sometimes.

Especially with canned dog food where you could tell if the person opened a can that morning or whatever depending the feeding habits. Jmo

I'm not quite ready to give up on the valuable information that could be gleaned from the dog situation, either.

 

[Whiskers16]

One of the wonderful things about WS is the enormous clearinghouse of information available when we all put our heads together. I'm a visual person, so I'd love to see a map put together with pins dropped at all significant events, especially of the locations where witnesses say they saw Mollie on her run (a few posts here have mentioned there being 3 witnesses, but my brain can only remember 1). I think, if we can all look at the (very tiny) pieces of information we DO know, we might be able to get our brains back on course and into investigative mode. I'm only speaking for myself, but all the what ifs and theories are making my head spin. Let's maybe toss aside everything we DON'T know, for just a bit, and focus only on what we DO know? Start from scratch, so to speak...

I made a map posted on page 1 of the media thread for MT, but I was unable to find any MSM for the addresses of things like mom's house or houses where witnesses saw MT running. Happy to add if anyone can provide addresses with MSM source.

 

[Deleted member 227095]

My issue is the electronic evidence. If it is true, and they have evidence that irrefutably shows she was active on her computer late into the night, then an earlier kidnapping simply doesn’t jibe. The door to that possibility is only open, if that digital evidence isn’t firm.

But we also don't know where she was using her computer exactly. That question by LE to MT Mom, 'was your daughter in a house at 9:45 pm' still haunts me. I wonder if this LE question relates to the SC picture or they have her at a different location that doesn't sync with where they thought she should be? The other thing is that she was super active on SM (twitter etc.) and it seemed to be a big part of her life. I know alot of people here have looked at her SM but does anyone know when she last communicated? I am totally amazed how watching students in the library studying that they are constantly on Snap, Instagram or Twitter etc. I couldn't look at the SM myself but I'm sure others have so I'm curious if people know when she last was online.

 

[Blissful12]

Yes -- that worries me, too.

Or...IMO no reason to believe it could be here means no DNA to confirm or deny. Decamp is faster during the heat of summer. Let alone coyotes, vultures etc. I’d be surprised unless this is a completely fresh dump if LE could be somewhat certain of the ID of the body without DNA.

 

[feralwriter]

This link tells you what student analytics are available using the Canvas LMS.

How do I view analytics for a student in a course? | Canvas LMS Community

I recently took a course using Canvas. There is no time-out period, and the LMS remembered passwords. This is different from other LMSs, such as D2L, which does not allow the computer to remember passwords and does have a time-out period.

Instructors can see how long a student has been in the course, and I can tell you from experience that it's not unusual for a student to log into the course and walk away simply to log time in the course without wasting time wading through boring stuff.

Which, as a professor, I know looks suspicious. The system will let me see which pages within my course were viewed by which student for which x amount of time. No one can read the same paragraph for hours at a stretch. Canvas, however, I only used *as a student* at Iowa, so I can't speak to it otherwise.

 

[MassGuy]

To address this hardware store theory. On the same night that Mollie went missing, someone reportedly discovered vandalism related to a nearby hardware store. There has been no mention since, in any news article, nor has there been any mention of this incident by law enforcement. If there were any chance that this was related, I would expect there to be mention of it somewhere. I highly doubt that it is in any way connected, regardless of the lack of reporting on it.

 

[Alethea]

Here's another theory. For me, I'm more interested in how something happened than who did it until LE releases names. It also helps stay within TOS while discussing our theories. Perhaps Mollie went jogging through town. A number of residents reported in the MSM that they saw her on her run. There are two RSOs who live in town. Someone followed her and attacked her in a less populated area but close to her usual run route - her fitbit information shows a spike in heart rate and then unusual activity that leads LE to think she was abducted or attacked in town. Her fitbit might show if her run was abruptly cut short. This would explain why there is still heavy LE/FBI presence in town as reported by locals in this thread. She is then taken down the road by the hog farm and her fitbit last synced with her phone near WC's house. LE assumes SOMETHING happened there - was her phone thrown away there, was it the scene of another incident, was she dumped somewhere there. Obviously LE is going to speak to everyone who lives nearby to see if anyone saw anything unusual that would corroborate the digital evidence they found. Based on what they know they may think someone must have heard something or seen something unusual.

I don't read much into WC until LE tells me to. Not everyone who ends up in the media spotlight has had media training. Every case seems to have some awkward ordinary person who ends up the subject of speculation but likely just rubbed a reporter the wrong way so the reporter focuses on him or her hoping to be Nancy Drew or the Hardy Boys and crack the case.

And it goes without saying, but LE doesn't release everything to the press because they want the perpetrator to reveal information that was not known publicly. If LE has a strong reason to believe someone is alive they may err on the side of releasing more information because frankly it's more important to rescue a live victim than it is to gather evidence against a suspected perpetrator. If LE has reason to believe the victim is likely deceased, they may hold more information back to help secure an arrest and guilty verdict.

 

[MassGuy]

But we also don't know where she was using her computer exactly. That question by LE to MT Mom, 'was your daughter in a house at 9:45 pm' still haunts me. I wonder if this LE question relates to the SC picture or they have her at a different location that doesn't sync with where they thought she should be? The other thing is that she was super active on SM (twitter etc.) and it seemed to be a big part of her life. I know alot of people here have looked at her SM but does anyone know when she last communicated? I am totally amazed how watching students in the library studying that they are constantly on Snap, Instagram or Twitter etc. I couldn't look at the SM myself but I'm sure others have so I'm curious if people know when she last was online.

LE would almost certainly know all these things. We simply don’t though.

 

[crhedBngr]

Hello everyone. LLTNS! I cant believe the last time I posted was in April. I am finally being able to throughly enjoy being with my hubby who finally retired this year.

I have been following Mollie's case in the news. I have felt from the beginning the suspect is from the area who knew Mollie would be alone, and knew the other three would be gone. In such small towns that could have been overheard at a convenience store. I do believe LE knows much more than they are saying.

I tend to believe the red shirt found has relevancy to the case because LE began to really search that area extensively. If they thought it had no link, such as, wrong size, aged, and ragged I do not believe they would have been this interested with that area. I also think the tech data is pointing them to this general area.

It wouldn't surprise me if the suspect is known to Mollie even if it is not closely. I tend to believe she made it back from her jog and was taken later. That is just speculation on my part since LE seems to want to keep the timeline a secret. I do believe they do know the approximate time the abduction took place and where. Whoever this is could have waited until she finished her jog and then waited until much later.....even in the early hours of the next morning to enter the home.

Imo, I think one of the reasons LE doesn't want to announce a specific time she was taken is because they want the suspect to think they think she was taken during her jog. If that is not the case then if he created a false alibi it would not be for the time they know she was taken. LE wants to keep him guessing on what they actually have discovered and know. I do think they do have particular POIs and are narrowing it down to one.

I think they are looking for one suspect. I do not believe more than one was involved. One person unfortunately could easily abduct a petite young woman and it has happened so many times before by one lone perp.

I wish I believed she is being held against her will somewhere, but rarely is that the outcome, and much more often the victim met their demise within less than 24 hours of being taken.

I don't know who the suspect will turnout to be in the end, but it very well could be someone Mollie thought could be trusted in her community. Maybe someone she wasn't even close to but a friendly familiar face. I think Mollie would have opened the door if she heard a knock even if it was late or early morning. She, like all there, felt safe in this small close knit community until this happened.

It also would not surprise me if the suspect is hiding in plain sight, and may have even attended searches.

Sorry for the lengthy post. I have missed all of you, and maybe I will have more time in the future to post more often.

Ocean

Hi, Ocean, it's good to see you posting again! Your insightful posts have been missed! And, Happy Retirement to your Hubby!

 

[MassGuy]

Not true. What they have is information that her online course was accessed and it's very possible that it was simply left open while Mollie went for a run. The fact that she was logged in does not mean that she was sitting at the computer reviewing coursework.

I said irrefutable proof that she was actively using her computer, not the scenario you mentioned of her being logged in. Irrefutable.

 

[PommyMommy]

One of the wonderful things about WS is the enormous clearinghouse of information available when we all put our heads together. I'm a visual person, so I'd love to see a map put together with pins dropped at all significant events, especially of the locations where witnesses say they saw Mollie on her run (a few posts here have mentioned there being 3 witnesses, but my brain can only remember 1). I think, if we can all look at the (very tiny) pieces of information we DO know, we might be able to get our brains back on course and into investigative mode. I'm only speaking for myself, but all the what ifs and theories are making my head spin. Let's maybe toss aside everything we DON'T know, for just a bit, and focus only on what we DO know? Start from scratch, so to speak...

IA - MEDIA, MAPS & TIMELINES - NO DISCUSSION - Molly Tibbetts,20, Poweshiek County

 

[gregjrichards]

Her boyfriend, Dalton Jack, has said that Tibbetts at some point sent him a picture using the messaging service Snapchat.

The value of Snapchat messages, or snaps, to a missing-person investigation is real but finite. "We work closely with law enforcement," the company explains online. But one of the service's best-known features — that the content of messages is deleted after recipients view them — limits what can be reconstructed later, Snapchat says.

"When you have people of a certain age, teenagers are using Facebook and Snapchat," said Iowa Division of Criminal Investigation Special Agent in Charge Mike Krapfl, speaking generally about investigations. "Some of the communications are lost and some of them are preserved by companies. You never know what you’re going to get."

What Snapchat can and can't do to help find Mollie Tibbetts

 

[Deleted member 227095]

..."the Department of Public Safety said investigators “have no reason to believe” that it is Tibbetts’ body."

Hope they are not mistaken.


Woman's body found in Lee County

<br /> Body Discovered in Rural Lee County, Iowa | KAALTV.com

Given LE communication strategy in this case I'm not sure I would believe this until they confirm the actual identity of the body.