IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #37

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They did but you have to understand how vast this area is. The town and buildings/houses therein are a very small percentage of area. Miles upon miles of fields with all kinds of other smells, environmental factors, weather, etc. They had searched close to where her body was found but not close enough for dogs to pick it up.

Real LE dogs aren't like the movies where they put a piece of the person's clothing under the dog's nose and they immediately race over to where they are at. Even the best LE dogs can't pick up a scent miles upon miles away.

What Cadaver Dogs Are Sniffing For When They Look For a Body | Inverse

I offer the following:
In mid-July, a frustrating search for four missing men in Bucks County, Pennsylvania ended with the discovery of Dean Finocchiaro’s corpse buried in a suburban farm. The grisly unearthing led the killer, Cosmo Dinard, to confess to the murders of all four men. Though solving the crime required about 50 law enforcement investigators and the FBI, the it couldn’t have been done without the cadaver dogs. They managed to sniff out Finocchiaro’s body, even though it was buried 12 and a half feet underground.
 
they can really help in many ways. we had a car wreck and used our footage to show condition of car at the time it left home that morning. I like that it can show exact time of leaveing home and comeing back home if it ever needs to be proven what time you left or returned. had they been on her house there would have been no question if she did or did not return home.
I have to think that little old Brooklyn got a wake up call and there will be some purchases of video cameras for homes and businesses there.
 
I don't want to go off topic. This is something I had to do a lot of soul searching about. IF you are considering a gun.... YOU have to have the mindset that you are going to shoot, not just hold it out to try and scare someone. JMO

if you think you might even hesitate then just don't get a firearm out. if you are dealing with a creep and you hesitate then they end up with the gun.
 
I just watched HLN where an expert was saying that according to Iowa law they can not indicate to the public what weapon was used, so they would not have indicated a knife, even if a knife was used.
I wonder if the car CR was driving was communal property amongst the farm workers? If it was, it could have any number of sharp farm tools inside.
 
JMO this was a pretty “simple” crime as far as such horrible crimes can be simple. He assaulted her, abducted her and likley assaulted her again, before or after killing her. Dragged her as deep into cornfield as possible, covered her body and left. Maybe went to clean up someplace, change clothes, get rid of an outer shirt, etc...I seriously doubt he held her or even wanted to hold her for any length of time...he was in rage mode, adrenaline etc...

LE surely wants to trace his movements for any number of reasons...maybe her phone has not been found, or her Fit bit etc...covering all bases. But science should be able to determine how long she was in the cornfield...I think it was since 7/18 by about 9pm.
 
SharonNeedles, do cattle workers use lassos? Like calf wrestling? How do they catch the little guys when separating them from the herd? Just wondering if CR would have access to ropes? tia
Any farm that works with cattle is going to have lassos, but very few people in the operation would use them. I don’t know what CR’s role was, but unless he regularly rode a horse and roped cattle I doubt he would haul a lasso around with him.
 
Exactly! If you're going to shoot someone, you should aim for center mass. The chances of hitting someone in the legs is slim. You'll most likely miss and have the gun taken away from you.

Exactly.

Nobody wants to ever have to shoot someone in self defense but if you are ever forced to then all the training will always tell you to do like the cops do and aim for upper body center mass. Because under a stressful situation it is surprisingly difficult to be accurate. The upper body center of chest is the easiest target to try to hit. Dont even try for a head shot. Its always Upper body and aim for middle chest area. Provides the largest target and will usually bring the attacker down.

Ive simulated a quick response shooting at the range and it will make you realize very quickly that you better not try to get selective. Its hard enough to hit the target at all let alone trying to pick a small and thin and likely moving spot like legs.
 
And I agree with that line of thought but I know my daughters...if they aim at the knees then their gonna hit em in the balls which is what im really hoping for.:)
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You raised your daughters right, sir!

Please remind them to always keep a hot load in the chamber. That way they can make sure that whatever creep comes after them doesn't have anything left to rape anybody with.
 
A theory that keeps going around in my head is this: And I know the confession is a lie.
She threatens to call the cops, he knocks the phone out of her hand and breaks it. Offers to pay or replace and she gets in the car in the expectation of getting her phone replaced. It would explain the why the phone shut off, why there was no fight and no neighbors heard or saw the struggle. He then drives to either his house or the corn field and kills her.
No woman who thinks she needs police would care enough about getting her iPhone replaced to get in the car with the person who led her to want to call police.
 
Just my thoughts -

Since it seems they had absolutely no idea who had done this until they went through that video, and they couldn't find her until he led them there, it makes sense that they're now interested in a longer timeline. Now that they have his story, however dishonest, her body, the car, and items/evidence from where they found her, they have additional work to do and were essentially just beginning the day they found her. Interviewing other people who know him or may have witnessed or heard something and were afraid to talk, or unwittingly aided him, or even intentionally aided him, searching his home and the surrounding area (sounds like they've now done that and not sure why didn't happen Day 1 when he owned up), and who knows what else depending on what they found at the scene, and what else was revealed through autopsy.

I'm sure they're interested in whether or not she was transported to another location or locations before being taken to the cornfield. They know whether or not she was killed there or somewhere else. They may (hopefully) know what injuries were inflicted prior to the wounds that took her life and where (abduction site, in the vehicle, etc) and how long she'd been in the cornfield, in the event that she wasn't taken there that night.

Side note - I needed some science credits years ago for my degree program and I took an entomology class and one of the guest speakers during the semester was a forensic entomologist from the department. He's been an expert witness in a number of murder cases and what can be known by insect activity alone is astounding. (that's already been brought up I think) He worked on a case where the victim had been killed and moved across state lines and then left on a couch in a basement, staged to look like it all happened right there, and he was able to verify where the first crime likely was because insect activity on/in the body defied the staging and the species was not indigenous to this area. And that's just one area of forensics. So, whatever they found there in that cornfield and in the condition of her body, and perhaps his trunk or his home, may have given Mollie a very loud voice, even if other things were lost through the passage of time. I am interested to learn whether or not he took her to his home or that property, or spots close by that he may have used for other assaults. This was presumably a very bloody crime so any movement of her body and any blood on him would be very difficult for him to just wipe away. If she was bleeding in that trunk and he was moving her around, who knows what kind of information he stupidly and thankfully gave police.

I think this could have been a relatively quick crime where she ended up in the field soon after her abduction, or the cornfield was punctuation after other activity. If there aren't that many moving parts, maybe what they're now seeking is what was going on with him after the crime and what does that tell them. I shudder to think of what she endured, even if much of it was terror. I can't stand the sight of him and wish media would stop split screening her image with his. It's unfair to her and her family but it's always done.
Re: insects, I’ve read they can do the same with dirt. Every type of dirt is different and can be traced to an exact geographic location. I always think about that when I put my shoes on and see the dirt...someone could tell I lived in New Mexico at one time. Forensics is amazing.
 
Believe it or not there are still real cowboys that use lassos on the open range out west as there will be no pens available in some places where the nearest person is just a dream.
But mostly no and CR did not work with open range cattle, he worked with dairy cows that can actually be almost pet like.
 
Ok I need opinions , specifically because my daughter runs in our well populated neighborhood , we do know all of our neighbors (and she is 30 yo not a baby but very tiny a size 0) NOT Blaming Mollie not one bit either ....But does anyone really think its even remotely safe to jog anymore , I don't and I haven't for quite sometime , nor do I think its safe for my 12 y/o to walk home from school, I have found 7 registered sex offenders within a mile of her school and its a very nice area (which really does not play into things anymore ) I don't think Jogging with earphones especially is safe at all WHAT DO YALL THINK????? I really want to know

Mollie Tibbetts' slaying highlights safety concerns for women runners - CNN
No earphones. Run and walk in pairs if possible ?
 
I had a Garmin Vivofit and I was under the impression that all the tracked info was stored in the “cloud”? Someone correct me if I’m wrong!

Edit: added word “was”

Data from before her phone was disabled or out of range of the FitBit, data last synched with phone should be in the "cloud". Data after this point could still be on Fit bit, but I have no idea how fragile or volatile this memory or the Fit bit is.
 
Martha MacCallum came across as aggressive; Fox has been criticized for using this tragedy and not covering other stuff; that they should be covering.

Fox had more interviews with the family than any other national outlet prior to the arrest. And every news outlet is being criticized for using the tragedy for their agenda.
 
JMO this was a pretty “simple” crime as far as such horrible crimes can be simple. He assaulted her, abducted her and likley assaulted her again, before or after killing her. Dragged her as deep into cornfield as possible, covered her body and left. Maybe went to clean up someplace, change clothes, get rid of an outer shirt, etc...I seriously doubt he held her or even wanted to hold her for any length of time...he was in rage mode, adrenaline etc...

LE surely wants to trace his movements for any number of reasons...maybe her phone has not been found, or her Fit bit etc...covering all bases. But science should be able to determine how long she was in the cornfield...I think it was since 7/18 by about 9pm.

Agreed. He wasn't some master mind. He most likely panicked because of his immigration/identity situation when she pulled out her phone. He figured she's gonna call the police on me or take a pic of me or my cars license plate, so he basically flipped out. He didn't black out like he said.

Maybe he thought he'd have a chance to get to know her at first and could have simply gotten offended in the way she turned him down.
 
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