IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #41

[Crystal Regan]

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[Crystal Regan]

The only Presser that provided any information was the last one; even then, there were a whole lot of questions LE wouldn't answer; so there is a lot we don't know; as for the media they are hit and miss; Also sorts of people have come out of the 'woodwork' to comment on CR; e.g. a woman in her 50's flirting with CR etc.

That fifty year old woman was a hot mess...

 

[TL4S]

I hadn't noticed before, but watching the video where they think the abduction might have occurred, it struck me the bend in the road would conceal a stopped vehicle waiting ahead for a jogger. She had a clear view of the road ahead for most of the jog, except for that curve at 385th. If he had been tailing her and he knew the road, he could speed up past her, pull over after the curve and wait for her to pass by. If the corn was high enough too, he could possible have pulled into a dirt driveway between cornrows and waited for her.

Also, man its stupid ballsy because of it being broad daylight and there being a houses around.

JMOO, the pic is just something I threw together. It could have even been a bit further along the road where it was more deserted.

That's a good idea about him waiting at the bend. It would have concealed him well. As much as I hate to think about it, though, I think he just drove right up to her farther east where it's isolated because even if she saw him, there was nowhere for her to go.

 

[ChuckMaureen]

 

[TL4S]

I have had such a difficult time believing that Mollie would run East on 385 Ave, but the incident started at 7:45 PM and the location is East on 385 Ave, so, difficult as that is to believe, it's most likely.

If we look at just that which we know, most reports have Mollie starting her run at 7:30. At 7:45, an incident regarding Mollie occurred near 1900 385 Ave. That's about 2 miles from the house-sit (rough guess). Can runners weigh in about 2 miles in 15 minutes?

That incident ends at a specific time of 8:28. I suppose that's related to heart beat, but we can't be sure. It seems a bit too specific to be something different. The body was found SE of Guernsey, and without adding anything to the story, that's where Mollie was murdered at 8:28PM on July 18, 2018.

Other posters have said they read that in her track running days, she would run a 7-8 minute mile. That's exactly why I thought it was very likely she ran to the end of 385 at 200 st. The timing is right, and the distance is right considering DJ said she normally ran 45 minutes. If she was on Boundary and planning only to run to her mom's, it would have been a considerably shorter run than her normal.

 

[Followfacts]

Have police released any CCTV or camera video related to Malibu driving around the area and video of Mollie running through the area prior to his abduction of her? I have not seen any but wondering if it has been seen by others sleuthing?

 

[ChuckMaureen]

Have police released any CCTV or camera video related to Malibu driving around the area and video of Mollie running through the area prior to his abduction of her? I have not seen any but wondering if it has been seen by others sleuthing?

No.

 

[TL4S]

Police have not released any information about Mollie's running route. No one knows whether she turned right on West, or continued on Des Moines. Standing around near the Funeral Home? No one knows. Running West on 2nd Str towards Caseys food store at 9 or 8? Not likely.

The incident apparently started around 7:45PM near 1900 395 Ave and ended 45 minutes later. The only other information we have is that she was found in a cornfield 15 miles SE of Brooklyn. The end range time is 8:28PM.

And even if you map out a run that takes her past all the witnesses (other than the Casey's store later), it's still only 2.4 miles to the 1900 block, so still within that reasonable time frame of 7:45.

 

[Followfacts]

No.

Thanks. Some posts led me to think there was video out there seen by public, as posted “only one person seen in the car and others that it can be seen the Malibu circling sound and then Mollie running through the area.” I guess they were repeating information from the PC.

 

[TL4S]

I believe your assumption is correct. If CR did in fact stop/park the car, the 1900 block of 385th St. there are a couple businesses, apartments, and single family residences along this stretch where he could have parked. I don't believe he parked and jogged as he told police. MOO

Brooklyn is tricky because there is a 385th St. and also a 385th Ave. The 385th St. is near the house MT was dog-sitting (on the west end of town), but 385th Ave. is the road that runs east out of town at the northeast corner of Brooklyn. If you look on the map, the 1900 block runs between the bend in the road and 200 St. It's somewhere in that stretch that the affidavit says she was abducted, and there's nothing but fields along that stretch.

 

[The Farm]

Good Morning.
I wonder if in fact CR had stopped to talk to Mollie previously on her running route at another time? She blew him off and then he more or less started watching her on a regular basis saying to himself I'll get her. Her rebuttal might have put him on a mission that started before July 18th. I think this might be also something that LE is looking into.

 

[jca1388]

This is the first case I ever followed and many people have many points and counterpoints as to many scenarios that might have taken place..
He are my beliefs as to the likelihood of various events.
I'm just guessing on all this of course so feel free the offer your own probabilities

My guesses:
MT never seen CR before in her life 60%
CR specifically targeted MT that day 80%
CR completely planned to SA and murder her from the beginning 50%
CR story about talking to her as opposed to a complete blindside is true 40%
A sex crime occurred 80%
MT was already dead in the trunk 40%
MT was murdered by stabbing while in the cornfield 60%
At least one other arrest will be made 20%
CR will plead guilty 40%
MT dies at 8:28 70%
MT actually ran by choice east 385 out of town as part of her jog 50%
We will never learn to gory specifics because there will be no trial 35%
Mollie never knew what hit her and was unconscious immediately 30%

 

[zecats]

I have had such a difficult time believing that Mollie would run East on 385 Ave, but the incident started at 7:45 PM and the location is East on 385 Ave, so, difficult as that is to believe, it's most likely.

If we look at just that which we know, most reports have Mollie starting her run at 7:30. At 7:45, an incident regarding Mollie occurred near 1900 385 Ave. That's about 2 miles from the house-sit (rough guess). Can runners weigh in about 2 miles in 15 minutes?

That incident ends at a specific time of 8:28. I suppose that's related to heart beat, but we can't be sure. It seems a bit too specific to be something different. The body was found SE of Guernsey, and without adding anything to the story, that's where Mollie was murdered at 8:28PM on July 18, 2018.

Again all depends on timing. What time she actually left the house, what time the camera caught her and also the car going by, and yes she could run 2 miles in 15 minutes if her pace were 7-8 minute per mile. Takes me 10-12 minutes to run a mile, but I’m def not as young and athletic as Mollie was. Also, to reiterate a point you made earlier, the warrant is specifically for the crime murder one and specifically lists the beginning and ending time for that act. jmo

 

[AnnaGrace]

I'm now back to my original thought that she was abducted alive on 385th. Somehow got a head injury there and was put in the trunk of his car. I briefly had second thoughts for two reasons. Investigators never called it an abduction, kidnapping, and no charges made. Only first degree murder. The other reason being that he couldn't accomplish the drive to where her body was found in 43 minutes because I thought the drive was around forty minutes. Now that we've seen maps with the shortest drive being about twenty minutes, that would work out about perfect. That would leave about twenty minutes to get her out of the vehicle, carry/drag her into the corn, assault her sexually, most likely, stab her to death seemingly. Her heart stops at 8:28 and he covers her with the stalks. MOO at this time. So sad to think about. I really hope she was unconscious through all this from the head injury that CR said she had.
Moo

 

[AnnaGrace]

Also maybe if a sa did occur it happened in the car's back seat. If so, there would be a wealth of dna. It seems a sa would be really difficult in the corn rows. Just a thought.

 

[TL4S]

Again all depends on timing. What time she actually left the house, what time the camera caught her and also the car going by, and yes she could run 2 miles in 15 minutes if her pace were 7-8 minute per mile. Takes me 10-12 minutes to run a mile, but I’m def not as young and athletic as Mollie was. Also, to reiterate a point you made earlier, the warrant is specifically for the crime murder one and specifically lists the beginning and ending time for that act. jmo

The warrant also lists the location as the 1900 block of 385th Ave, not the cornfield. (Thanks Al Hoffman for pointing that out to me)

 

[TL4S]

Also maybe if a sa did occur it happened in the car's back seat. If so, there would be a wealth of dna. It seems a sa would be really difficult in the corn rows. Just a thought.

I've wondered about the corn rows myself.

 

[kpm]

Why would Mollie, a university student, know an illegal immigrant who worked on a dairy farm?

I think she may have possible recognized him from school sporting events, FB feeds or from around town.

I don’t think they mingled regularly but in a small town who knows during teen parties, other local girls knew of him, described him, texted with him, I don’t think he’s was as much of a ghost to locals teens.

 

[kpm]

The only known connection between Mollie and Rivera is that they may have had mutual FB friends, and even that is not verified. Whether or not his girlfriend knew of his legal status has no relevance, although I'm sure she did.

I believe I read that IM didn’t have legal status here either

 

[Followfacts]

This is the article with google map that LE used to specify the video footage they watched to piece together where at 1900 block 385 Ave right around that curve the map indicates suspect came closer to MT Mollie Tibbetts case mystified police until a security camera offered a key clue - CNN