IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #42

[MyBelle]

Of particular note is, CR's employer's spokesperson originally stated they used e-Verify to vet CR's identification. e-Verify chimed in and reported the employer is not a member of e-Verify. I wish this aspect of the case could be discussed, but... we are muted.

The employer followed Iowa law. e-Verify is voluntary.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

Now I'm really confused.

He admitted to watching her or seeing her?

So, how does he know where she will be running if he doesn't watch her. He stalked her by watching her one day, and coming back to take her the next day. He isn't a psychic. He knew to be there to get her because he knew she would be there from watching her.

 

[RANCH]

I think that's exactly what he was doing too.... Unless maybe he was just looking for the ice cream parlor if that was along her jogging route, but I firmly believe he was in the process of planning his assault.

You think he did this or we know for a fact that he followed her previously to the day he killed her?

 

[gliving]

And the forum closes for the night in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1.

 

[wary]

Perhaps the monster had prosopagnosia? That's the only way those two girls could look like each other.

Well, I have that, so maybe that's why I get the point. But I think it's not a case of their 'looking alike'--it's a case of their both being his 'type.'

 

[RANCH]

So, how does he know where she will be running if he doesn't watch her. He stalked her by watching her one day, and coming back to take her the next day. He isn't a psychic. He knew to be there to get her because he knew she would be there from watching her.

Maybe he decided at the moment he saw her to launch his assault. JMO

 

[ChuckMaureen]

It's pretty obvious since he MURDERED a girl. He showed no change in behavior, he is lying about what he did, and if stalking that girl along the street isn't predatory, then what is?

Murdering is not a definitive in describing

It's pretty obvious since he MURDERED a girl. He showed no change in behavior, he is lying about what he did, and if stalking that girl along the street isn't predatory, then what is?

AFAWK, CR is not a SK so we can not simply assign a diagnosis based on what we think we know about him, and what we supposedly do know about him is not placed in specific contexts so all we can do at this point is speculate and assume.

Little Do We Know: 5 Myths About Sociopathy, Debunked

 

[Al Hoffman]

Don’t people have nicknames? Being called by another name is not anything strange or unusual. It would not raise any red flags.

And in the South, how many times is the name on the tow truck drivers shirt NOT the name dispatch uses to call him over the radio. Same for mechanics.

The Puerto Rican father of of friend of mine was always know as "Lenny". He was a Army officer on the Pentagon Staff, in the country legally because he was from PR (They can do that, as PR is part of the US). His fiancee did not find out his name was not Lenny till they went to fill out the. Marriage License. Turned out, as a kid he stole a jacket that said Lenny across the back, and as he did not like his PR name he just went with Lenny for the rest of his life. And this guy had Top Secret clearance. Like I say, Stuff Happens.

 

[MsBetsy]

He blamed the victim (her rejection) as the cause of his cornfield violence. That's victim blaming.

Exactly. When my daughter forgets her backpack and I'm just pulling in to drop her off at school, I'll give her a look and she'll say, " well you were rushing me when I was trying to get ready!" She is basically saying it is my fault. I can't believe that other people don't experience this sort of thing. In my house it happens every day! I guess I just don't get that people can't relate to that.

 

[MistyWaters]

MsBetsy, I'm asking for a msm link please. I've never heard he saw her while driving around the night before. tia

I’ll ask too.

 

[glamourkitty1922]

I hope you’ve reported what you know to LE.

Don't have to, he admits it to the police
Mollie Tibbetts' murder: What we know about the suspect
He's a cold blooded murderer, not a "nice guy" you know!

 

[ChuckMaureen]

How so? CR is the one who stalked and approached and killed Mollie. How are his actions reflective of someone who has "fear and nervousness"????

That doesn't preclude having normal companionship urges, but it could imply those urges are experienced in altered perspectives.

 

[Al Hoffman]

In Pennsylvania, that applies to on-site and off-site consumption retailers as both are "licensed." No distinction is made. Licensees are liable for service to minors and they institute their own policies for verification. The ID required must be valid, but again, there is nothing in PA code that requires patrons carry an ID.

And the exceptions:

Lip balm?

 

[katydid23]

I suppose if you had a lifestyle-threatening event in your life that meant losing everything you had you might have a different perspective.

The way this sentence is structured, it is taking ALL of the killer's personal responsibility out of the equation. That frustrates me.

The 'lifestyle' that is being threatened is a dishonest, illegal lifestyle. He is relying upon IDENTITY THEFT to live and work here.

I spent years being harassed by the IRS because someone, much like CR, stole my identity and worked in a meat packing plant, using my so sec number. Then I kept getting threatening letters from the IRS, saying I was not declaring all of my income. They wanted to charge me the taxes on that income. And it held back my regular tax returns for being filed for a few years.

So excuse me if I have little sympathy for his worries about his illegal lifestyle. That was all his own doing.

And you call it an 'event?' It is an 'event', that he stalked and brutally killed a beautiful, innocent girl?

It was MURDER, and he carried it out on his own terms.

If he didn't want her to call 911 and 'threaten' his so called 'lifestyle' , all he had to do was walk away and leave her alone. But he couldn't do that because he is a predator and was on a hunt that night.

He is not the victim here. Even though the above sentence tries hard to paint him as one. It is written like she 'threatened' his lifestyle and it was her fault that she forced him to stab her to death and dump her in the corn field. If only she hadn't 'threatened' him by wanting to call for help when he began running at her. She should have known it meant he HAD TO kill her. He is a good guy, a normal guy, but what else could he do?

 

[ChuckMaureen]

The employer followed Iowa law. e-Verify is voluntary.

My point is the employer/spokesman made a claim that was not accurate. I'd expect a situation involving an employee involved in a murder case that they'd be as accurate as possible. How could they get it wrong regarding their own record of the vetting process for a particular employee? I'm cynical but, again, we can not go there.

 

[MyBelle]

That doesn't preclude having normal companionship urges, but it could imply those urges are experienced in altered perspectives.

Since when is stalking, confrontation and abduction reflective of "normal companionship urges?" I sure don't agree.

 

[Confusion]

Exactly. When my daughter forgets her backpack and I'm just pulling in to drop her off at school, I'll give her a look and she'll say, " well you were rushing me when I was trying to get ready!" She is basically saying it is my fault. I can't believe that other people don't experience this sort of thing. In my house it happens every day! I guess I just don't get that people can't relate to that.

I guess it depends on how you were raised. I was taught that I was responsible for my own behavior and feelings under any and all circumstances, and I taught my sons the same thing. It's very possible that CR did blame MT for his anger, but nobody here is blaming her for any part of what happened to her. She was doing something that was legal, moral, healthy and responsible, and she was under no obligation to protect his ego. In spite of that, it doesn't mean that her (very appropriate) behavior didn't influence his (very inappropriate) reaction. MOO

 

[MistyWaters]

Exactly. When my daughter forgets her backpack and I'm just pulling in to drop her off at school, I'll give her a look and she'll say, " well you were rushing me when I was trying to get ready!" She is basically saying it is my fault. I can't believe that other people don't experience this sort of thing. In my house it happens every day! I guess I just don't get that people can't relate to that.

I’d describe your scenario as your daughter giving you an excuse about why she failed to remember her backpack.

That’s not a good comparison to Mollie, who had every right to say no, leave me alone or I’ll call police.

 

[MsBetsy]

How is seeing her once before the murder considered to be stalking?

Forget the word " stalking" I shouldn't have used it. He was driving in Brooklyn, on the route she was running, the day before the attack. He lives 15 miles away, about . ( not sure how far, so don't quote me, please ) In my opinion he had no other reason to be there other than the fact that she was there. Maybe he just happened to see her, then went back at the same time to find her, we don't know. But since we are pretty sure this was a planned attack, I don't see how it wouldnt be likely that he was looking for her in advance.

 

[Jaclin]

Why would you think lying is wrong? I say good morning, when the day sucks and I know it. It's a lie, but I don't think it's wrong. Murder is ALWAYS wrong. There is no gray area when it comes to murder.

If you're asking why I personally think lying is wrong, I was raised that way. I was raised to follow the 10 Commandments, which I think are good laws to follow whether religious or not. Maybe you don't think lying is wrong or always wrong, but lots of people do believe it is wrong and they lie anyway. Point is that sometimes people choose to do things they know are wrong. I don't believe that killing is an exception. There wouldn't be confessionals if people didn't do things they knew were wrong, because then there would be no reason to confess.