Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #45

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Yeah, read the article in the 9/13/18 Des Moines Register about CR benefiting from a diminished capacity defence based on his "blocking out".

It reads exactly like the last 3 weeks of WS discussion on this thread, only with more verified experts!
How did they refer to the blocking out? Did they call it memory lapse, gap in memory, black out, block out? Just curious how they are going to reference it in the court room. "block out" sounds kind of lame. Jmo
 
How did they refer to the blocking out? Did they call it memory lapse, gap in memory, black out, block out? Just curious how they are going to reference it in the court room. "block out" sounds kind of lame. Jmo
Probably some kind of amnesia.
 
(Sorry, all -- I'm still catching up, and am behind, but reading as quickly as I can, so I don't know yet whether someone has already posted this today...) On the way home after work today, when on the way into a grocery store chain in Iowa, some headlines seemed to leap off the page at me. Something to do with "memory blocks" and CR. Hmm. Could CR's attorneys be closely following WS? I have a strong hunch that they are! MOO.
If they are, they must be thinking it's a lost cause.
 
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Probably some kind of amnesia.
That's completely different from what he describes. I am wondering how it was referred to in the article that was provided. I can't access it. Just wanted to get an idea of how they are going to approach it. The term they use is important. Imo Was amnesia the word they used?
 
Did anyone answer MsBetsy's question about what happens at an arraignment?

I would like to know too!!!
Apparently no-one is listening to us....maybe everyone went to bed.
 
I actually have thought of something that may fit with what he said happens to him. I had a friend when I was a kid whose older sister had Frontal Lobe Epilepsy, and she did have the rage with blackouts when she had seizures. She was in her teens at the time (16-17) and all of the other kids would rush out of the house whenever she started acting strange. She could be standing at the stove cooking lunch and someone would startle her somehow (tap her shoulder unexpectedly, drop something that made a loud noise, etc.) and she'd jerk a bit, start looking around, and suddenly start throwing things at anything that moved. She was known to throw frying pans, dishes, knives, coffee pots, and whatever she was holding or was within reach. The only time I saw her having one of her seizures she was screaming, cussing, throwing hamburgers, salt and pepper shakers, the frying pan, and a few other things before we got out the door.

Once it was over (usually 5-20 minutes), she'd quietly pick everything up, finish what she had been doing and never remembered any of it after it was over. She always knew she'd had a seizure by the messes, but she had just learned to accept that she had done it and clean it up. I'm not sure what ever became of her, but I know they were talking about institutionalizing her or getting her into a group home or something because they were afraid she'd kill one of the kids some day.
 
Did anyone answer MsBetsy's question about what happens at an arraignment?

I would like to know too!!!
Sorry, I was writing that other post, and I'm rather slow. An arraignment is when they say what the charges are, he enters his plea, and sometimes they decide if he'll be released pending trial. I'm sure he won't be released. MOO
 
I actually have thought of something that may fit with what he said happens to him. I had a friend when I was a kid whose older sister had Frontal Lobe Epilepsy, and she did have the rage with blackouts when she had seizures. She was in her teens at the time (16-17) and all of the other kids would rush out of the house whenever she started acting strange. She could be standing at the stove cooking lunch and someone would startle her somehow (tap her shoulder unexpectedly, drop something that made a loud noise, etc.) and she'd jerk a bit, start looking around, and suddenly start throwing things at anything that moved. She was known to throw frying pans, dishes, knives, coffee pots, and whatever she was holding or was within reach. The only time I saw her having one of her seizures she was screaming, cussing, throwing hamburgers, salt and pepper shakers, the frying pan, and a few other things before we got out the door.

Once it was over (usually 5-20 minutes), she'd quietly pick everything up, finish what she had been doing and never remembered any of it after it was over. She always knew she'd had a seizure by the messes, but she had just learned to accept that she had done it and clean it up. I'm not sure what ever became of her, but I know they were talking about institutionalizing her or getting her into a group home or something because they were afraid she'd kill one of the kids some day.
Confusion is still here. How can you write such long, detailed posts this late at night? Maybe this is what he is claiming happens to him, although he did a lot more than throw some hamburgers around.
 
Sorry, I was writing that other post, and I'm rather slow. An arraignment is when they say what the charges are, he enters his plea, and sometimes they decide if he'll be released pending trial. I'm sure he won't be released. MOO
Ok so I guess the only thing we will find out is whether or not he pleads guilty? Would they discuss a plea bargain at this time?
 
Ok so I guess the only thing we will find out is whether or not he pleads guilty? Would they discuss a plea bargain at this time?
I don't think they usually discuss them in court unless they've already agreed on one, but that's always possible.
Confusion is still here. How can you write such long, detailed posts this late at night? Maybe this is what he is claiming happens to him, although he did a lot more than throw some hamburgers around.
Late at night is the only time I can usually be on long enough to be caught up reading and have time to write too. This girl did a lot more than that too. As I said, she sometimes threw knives at people, pans, an iron at least once. I felt sorry for her because sometimes when they were bored, the brothers and sisters would purposely do things to set her off. They'd run outside and watch her through the window until she calmed down. It was a rather strange family looking back, but I didn't notice it at the time.
 
Hey Everyone,

Mollie's thread is closing. It will open in the morning before 7:30 AM Mountain time.

G'night all,
Tricia
 
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Mollie's thread is open for posting.

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Good morning all. Here are my questions for the day:

  • Didn't CR's father say in his interview that he didn't know of any "blocked memory" issues in CR's past?
  • Wouldn't the '"blocked memory" diminished capacity' argument be basically worthless as a defense for murder if the murder had taken place after he had already "come to"? As in it happening in the cornfield versus 385th or somewhere along the way.
  • Since we know CR used his phone to determine the route he'd taken on the night in question, couldn't LE have therefore used his phone's locator system as a basis for their 7:45 - 8:28pm incident time limits?
  • Why didn't CR delete his phone's locator history during his 5 weeks undetected?
 
that is where my hang up is. CAN they have him plead one way or the other or can he just at the last min do as he pleases on a plea? he seems impulsive to me.

His attorneys cannot force him into a plea one way or the other. However, they can STRONGLY encourage him in the direction that they choose. Sometimes, in my opinion, the encouragement can edge toward coercion. MOO
 
Good morning all. Here are my questions for the day:

  • Didn't CR's father say in his interview that he didn't know of any "blocked memory" issues in CR's past?
  • Wouldn't the '"blocked memory" diminished capacity' argument be basically worthless as a defense for murder if the murder had taken place after he had already "come to"? As in it happening in the cornfield versus 385th or somewhere along the way.
  • Since we know CR used his phone to determine the route he'd taken on the night in question, couldn't LE have therefore used his phone's locator system as a basis for their 7:45 - 8:28pm incident time limits?
  • Why didn't CR delete his phone's locator history during his 5 weeks undetected?

I do not actually remember if his father said that or not.

As far as your other questions I am sure LE looked into all that which we have no idea of knowing at the moment. UGH.
 
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