ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 58

[Txbarfly]

Oh my, I am so glad you are okay. Bolded, Amen

I’ve heard your exact same argument from others. Some people have even said the mask might fit right in given how cold it was. My question would be how does that explain the “frozen in shock” state she experienced? Iow, the responses are rather incompatible, are they not? I’m in NO way casting aspersions on the poor girl. I believe she absolutely was frozen in shock and terror. I think it’s an involuntary physiological response that serves as a self-preservation/defense/coping mechanism that in this case was so powerful that it could have taken hours or days to dissipate. It seems much more plausible to me that anything she did or didn’t do is attributable to this heightened state of shock than to some of the reasons being projected. Honestly, the whole discussion says a lot about most all of us. Those of us who question why she didn’t make that call are judging her by actions we would take in our everyday state of mind tempered only by our distant outrage over these senseless murders. Others are suspending basic common sense in their very noble efforts to rally around her.

It’s taken me a while to get here. I sorely miscalculated the extent to which she was terrorized and in shock. WHY? BECAUSE I didn’t share her contextual frame of reference. Duh and shame on me. I wish now that we could all join hands in a very long receiving line from coast to coast and every one of us hug and embrace her and send her into tomorrow with the support and love she needs and deserves.

 

[Sjöberg]

My questions and comments at this point in time (all MOO):
* On what date did BK move to Pullman?
* Who or what was he stalking and when was first contact with the, ermh, stalké?
* How did he decide that he was going to act on that night. Both, what triggered him, and mainly, how did he know they (or his target) were home prior to departing from Pullman?
* And coming to this, what was he doing all that time after departing and before the murders?
* He would probably have not recognized KG-s new car, as she had just bought it and had not posted online about it yet (and there is no known information that he followed her in that car at any point after she bought the car).
* He would have known ECs car. Perhaps he parked there even if he was at the frat, but that gave me a pause. I don't think it could have been a real surprise to him that EC was there.
* If it was KG who said something like there's someone here - what prompted it? Entering the door, standing creepily over them, touching her?
* The timeline with killings is still a bit fuzzy, especially regarding X. I still hope she hurt him.
* BK did not see the surviving roommate: it was dark, the neon light was on, his eyes were adjusting and he was very focused on getting out: he was probably looking at the outside, determining if it's safe to exit the slider, not focusing on the visual of the thankfully quiet house. The roommate might have not seen the knife at all, if it was in a pocket or held on the right side as she (most probably) saw him from the left side.
* For the love of god, don't think that a PhD student has to be smart. Sincerely, a soon-to-graduate PhD student.
* I am really interested in the video footage from the store(s) he visited after the murders. High probability of something along the lines of the classic "bleach, trash bags and duckt tape at midnight from Walmart".

 

[Dotta]

I believe he was wearing leg shackles.

You can just see the chain very briefly if you play this video on the slowest setting as he takes his seat

You have eyes of an eagle

 

[Diogenetic]

I haven't gone through all of these posts, but several thoughts involving the capture of BK re: this heinous crime. I suspect this has not been brought up before - or at least not on this site.

-The investigation & capture of BK occurred only because the authorities were putting a lot of $, resources, and time/effort into this investigation. Conversely, there are a plethora of other crimes that have occurred relatively recently & in the past - that are still completely unsolved. And, many of these could probably have been solved (or still be solved) if the authorities in these cases had put as much time, money, and effort into them as they did into this BK case - from Day 1. I don't need to give examples, because anyone that follows true crime/missing persons cases knows exactly what I'm talking about.

-Going along with this, it's extremely obvious that the #1 reason this case got so much attention was because of the HUGE international media & online coverage. I.e., if this case had never gotten anything other than local coverage (local meaning just in & around the Moscow, ID area) & if only the local authorities were conducting the investigation (and additional organizations hadn't been assisting, etc.) - I suspect it would still be unsolved, and may have never been solved.

- it's interesting that when BK & his father were driving cross-country, LE pulled them over twice for speeding. And, they just got a warning each time. Many people that get pulled over get a ticket the first time. <modsnip>

The majority of homicide in my city, on the order of 90% to 95% is criminals killing criminals. I am not saying they deserve it, not at all. Nor that their life is worth less. But rather that there is often a self precipitation factor. EG Ifyou are dealing drugs, chances are you have cash around and a target. None of us want to "blame the victim." But it is wrong to say exclude/shut down gang membership during a gang war in consideration of victims homicide as "blaming the victim."

Also, for a variety of reasons, cooperation of witness varies greatly.

<modsnip - quoted post was snipped> He was not stopped for speeding twice. We do not even know whether or not stopping officers were asked to make the stop by someone esle. Also what happens in traffic stops is complex. We had a case in my city where the person was stopped for a bad brake light, and ended p getting shpt by cops. The coverage all said the guy was shot "over a brake light." In fact he had three wants/warrants. Two involved illegsl firearm possession by a felon. And the police had to arrest him due to the warrants, which he was seen on body cams to be aggressively resisting. This was a guy already known to carry weapon illegally.

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[indicolite22]

Bryan Kohberger was 'overweight and bullied before becoming addict'

Bryan Kohberger, 28, was bullied and dropped 100 pounds in his senior year of high school before taking up hard drugs, two of his former friends have revealed.

www.dailymail.co.uk

...he was a 'secluded' person who used his criminology studies to 'try to understand humans and understand himself.'

 

[Gardenista]

This guy says he did heroin with him

Idaho murders: Bryan Kohberger's former friend speaks out on social behavior, alleged drug use

Rich Pasqua, who said he is a former acquaintance of Bryan Kohberger, reacted to the Idaho murders suspect's arrest on "Lawrence Jones Cross Country."

www.foxnews.com

 

[TL4S]

I am definitely not convinced he went with the intention of killing 4 people. 2 maybe, but not 4. Maddie and Xana worked at the Mad Greek so somehow they could be BKs targets for whatever his reason was. It could have been something as small as they were laughing about something and he assumed they were laughing at him when in fact they were not. That could have set him off and he decided he'd take care of them. Time went on which only increased his negative feelings toward the pair. By the time the date of the killing rolled around he was probably pretty obsessed about the whole thing and there was no turning back for him.

It's my opinion that Ethan wasn't expected to be there so that brings us to 3 people. I also don't think BK expected to find Kaylee and Maddie together in her bed. I think Kaylee was simply in the wrong place at the wrong time as was Ethan. Well, they all were in the wrong place at the wrong time but I meant that I don't think Kaylee and Ethan were on BK's kill list that night. I feel like he expected to find just Maddie in her room, and Xana without her BF.

All MOO.

I have to admit, I remember college, and I think most likely E spent most Saturday nights with X at the house. JMO. So if BK had watched them, as it seems he did, he probably knew not only that E would likely be there, but he also knew his car and saw it parked there.

 

[Cedars]

Question: What are your thoughts about his public defender being a woman with long blonde hair? Given that he allegedly killed two women who have long blonde hair, if he felt a rage towards women who have that "look", how would he act towards his public defender?

She's 57 years old. IMO she would not be desireable in the way a 21 year old is.

 

[Mark4]

Yeah, I think if it was him, this would show he was scared the car would lead to him, and which it ultimately did.

He was scared the car would lead to him so he posts saying it’s not relevant on a Facebook group (even though you don’t need to have a criminology masters to know LE aren’t going to be persuaded by a random posting on a Facebook group). But he wasn’t scared enough to avoid posting that the murderer likely left their sheath behind even though that’s not in the public domain, and is the sort of thing that might make LE look into who’s posting it?

Not buying it. He’d have either gotten everything right, or he would have been keeping very quiet about the sheath.

 

[Gemmie]

Does anyone out there think he could possibly be innocent? I know the whole innocent before proven guilty thing, but it seems like they have quite a bit evidence against him.

Newp. Not a chance.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Yeah....pretty common on all defendants in court.

I've never heard of that. Is it like a taser?

 

[10ofRods]

She's 57 years old. IMO she would not be desireable in the way a 21 year old is.

You'd be VERY surprised. I think it's entirely possible.

 

[cottonweaver]

They only say it was at a pizza shop.

Idaho murders: Bryan Kohberger's former friend speaks out on social behavior, alleged drug use

Rich Pasqua, who said he is a former acquaintance of Bryan Kohberger, reacted to the Idaho murders suspect's arrest on "Lawrence Jones Cross Country."

www.foxnews.com

very useful link, tx

so 2013 he's using but later he seems to turn it around as Casey Arntz said and by 2017 when she met him, she thought he was clean (She also said he was working as a security guard at his old high school by 2017)
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[x_files]

Haven't looked at the menu, but other employees of Mad Greek have stated they do not recognize BK as a patron, so it's unlikely that he encountered them there.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1611109357936332805

Let's wait until the trial, employees are probably warned by employers NOT to talk to the media. In all of my jobs if I spoke to the media without written permission FIRST from PR Dept. I would be immediately fired. I worked at a nightclub and if I darted given an opinion on a missing person last seen at the club I would have been fired and banned for life. If I was court ordered then I would be allowed to testify but if I did I would NOT be employed. Not saying The Mad Greek is like this but some businesses do NOT want any association whatsoever with a crime let alone a stalking homicide of four college students, it could destroy their business if college students feared going there. We'll find out. Maybe someone did see him and had issues with him and even complained but mgt is NOT going to the media with it. Former employees would more likely pipe up than current ones.

 

[Cedars]

He was scared the car would lead to him so he posts saying it’s not relevant on a Facebook group (even though you don’t need to have a criminology masters to know LE aren’t going to be persuaded by a random posting on a Facebook group). But he wasn’t scared enough to avoid posting that the murderer likely left their sheath behind even though that’s not in the public domain, and is the sort of thing that might make LE look into who’s posting it?

Not buying it. He’d have either gotten everything right, or he would have been keeping very quiet about the sheath.

I just feel the need to comment: this expectation that people are completely consistent makes life very confusing.

JMO

 

[10ofRods]

Where is this coming from?

The PCA. But no signs of him going back to his apartment at that early hour are present. Surely that's where he went after he left the crime scene - but by a roundabout way that is not the most direct way. I recall the PCA saying he went back to Pullman, then leaves again around 8:45 and then goes back, then drives to Clarkton to the Albertson's just after noon (in close proximity to a coffee hut that picked him up on camera, as did the Albertson's.

This is why locals are posting that they think he availed himself of an accessible and calm part of the Snake River to dispose of evidence (on news boards of various kinds, here, elsewhere).

 

[Followfacts]

Does anyone out there think he could possibly be innocent? I know the whole innocent before proven guilty thing, but it seems like they have quite a bit evidence against him.

Yes, there is evidence to be challenged, disproved… can the evidence be overcome?
These are Horrible crimes and suffering he has been arrested and charged with so his innocence and fighting for it is with the trial and his defense team, if he doesn’t take a plea. IMO he deserves a fair trial as do the victims.

 

[kittythehare]

Is it possible the twelve times he was spotted watching the house (fr

is it possible he was stalking for K each time she was visiting? He was tracked on his cell watching the house on 12 occasions, does each time correspond to K visiting the house?

K only visited once.

 

[Diogenetic]

It was dark, he was in black. I don't think DM's observations - or lack thereof - are a linchpin to a conviction.

I understand she's the closest thing we have to a witness but she's a victim.

Conviction of BK does not depend on anything she did or did not do.

Put yourself in her shoes at 18 or 19 in a house where strangers are frequent guests.

V-I-C-T-I-M

I agree. But I am wandering why when would say "lynchpin." if she was a highly credible witness she would add to this entirely circumstantial case with her circumstantial evidence contribution. The DNA is powerful and compelling, but is also circumstantial and no single element is the "lynchpin"

The foot print may not absolutely be tied to the accused, but it can add to narrative the prosecutors offer due to it showing direction of travel. Same with this witness. her statement buttresses other circumstantial evidence leading to timeline, exclusion of other suspects the defense might proffer. Her statements to investigators could be used to counter defense alternative theories, and help prosecution theories the prosecution may have but not known by the public at this time.

So her awareness, rationality, or any real or perceived weakness may be brought up by defense to reduce the value of her testimony.

Again, I have zero issue with her reaction to this extreme trauma. any of us may have acted the same way. But that doesnt mean we can't say that her actions or lack of them may harm her credibility on the stand.

 

[x_files]

She's 57 years old. IMO she would not be desireable in the way a 21 year old is.

She doesn't look 57 she's very attractive, so we have no idea what his preferences are especially if he admires her intellect.