ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 66

[jepop]

IMO, it has been noted that BK likes to hike.

Sure, I've seen something about that and could be right MOO but did he like to hike NOv 13 at c3.26am in the countryside off Indian Hills drive? (Ref PCA).

 

[jepop]

Still confused a little lol. The AA says the car was headed eastbound on queen, then presumably it parked somewhere, then says it was seen leaving fast from the area of the residence. MOO

https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23564673/122922-affidavit-exhibit-a-statement-of-brett-payne_redacted.pdf

That seems right to me; parked somewhere on Queen after last seen (camera) heading east bound on Queen (ie not towards T junction at King). It's a dead end at the east end of Queen so he exited Queen at speed at c 4.20am going west. Suspect vehicle 1 was then captured on camera southbound on Walenta per PCA. MOO based on PCA.

 

[Elley Mae]

Idaho murder investigators can identify the knife without it ever being found: Forensic expert

Idaho murder investigators can identify the knife without it ever being found: Forensic expert

A forensics expert spoke about the murder weapon used to kill four University of Idaho students and how it may have left behind evidence that could lead to the killer.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Elley Mae]

Sure, I've seen something about that and could be right MOO but did he like to hike NOv 13 at c3.26am in the countryside off Indian Hills drive? (Ref PCA).

It seems he was watching the police station from that vantage point (Indian hills dr). Maybe he knew how many police cars moscow has and he wanted to have distance between them and king rd.

Jmo

 

[Sillybilly]

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[Nila Aella]

Idaho murder investigators can identify the knife without it ever being found: Forensic expert

Idaho murder investigators can identify the knife without it ever being found: Forensic expert

A forensics expert spoke about the murder weapon used to kill four University of Idaho students and how it may have left behind evidence that could lead to the killer.

www.foxnews.com

Thank you for posting this! I was just thinking about the knife yesterday, wondering if they could determine the type of knife used and match it to the sheath that was left. JMO

 

[Nila Aella]

IMO, it has been noted that BK likes to hike.

I did notice a 24 hour gym in Moscow idaho. JMO

https://www.anytimefitness.com/gyms/916/Moscow-ID-83843/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=local&utm_campaign=localmaps&utm_content=916

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

Did he? I've only heard that he hired a lawyer, never a PI. I must have missed that.

A criminal defense lawyer, which surprised me, as I would have thought he'd get a civil attorney. But he does have an attorney.

Yup.

Dad of slain Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves turns to P.I.s as cops too ‘inexperienced’

The grieving father of murdered University of Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves is working with his own private investigators — because he fears cops in the major case are too “inexperienc…

nypost.com

 

[CityKid]

IMO, is it possible that BK wanted to live at 1122 King Rd and that’s why he was contacting the roommates?

Anything is "possible" but this strikes me as very much of a long shot. You've got student housing on your own campus, a parking pass at your own university, but you want to live in a random party house at another university? And you'd send repeated "hello" DMs to people you don't know to find a way to live in this random party house?

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I agree but if her name tag or receipt said Maddie instead of Madison that would have given him an opportunity to look her up. Madison may be common but Maddie....probably not.

Maddie is the most common nickname for Madison, IMO. My goddaughter's name is Madison and she's 21. In school, she was known as Maddie J (already had another Maddie and another Madison). MOO.

 

[jepop]

It has not been confirmed that InsideLooking was BK, and there's plenty of evidence to suggest he was not behind the account. IMO, "user was in jail" is misleading and stating a possibility as fact.

At the end of the day, we probably won't know for sure if any of these online accounts can be traced back to BK. There might also be an account on WS or elsewhere that is linked to BK that is not currently in public view. Not saying we shouldn't speculate, but it is all speculation at this point where online accounts are concerned (specifically InsideLooking and PR).

Is there a source for the user being in jail? Sorry but it does absolutely read as fact and I wasn't aware that the user was confirmed,let alone that they were in jail. Confused.

 

[steeltowngirl]

IMO, is it possible that BK wanted to live at 1122 King Rd and that’s why he was contacting the roommates?

I would think no, since King Rd is in Idaho. He would need WA state residency to qualify for in-state tuition. If I am reading it correctly, per page 32 of the WSU Dept of Criminal Justice Graduate Studies handbook, he would also need WA residency to receive a TA stipend.

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[Aquarian]

IF it is the case that he submitted his own DNA to GEDMatch, I will be amazed. I won't bet even one lunch that he did, though.

I think he had submitted to either 23andme or Ancestry (I will bet lunch money that it was 23) it might result in some reporters misunderstanding and thinking he'd submitted to an open source site.

It does raise questions. Not legal ones, other kinds of questions.

If it is true that he submitted to either 23 or A, that's amazing. And gives me so much more insight into his inner world.

Moo- well don’t 23 and Ancestry allege deep dives into health histories if one desires to go further in one’s quest for information? I know on Ancestry you can answer a myriad of questions and then they will ask you if you want your DNA to be then tested for xy or z. Maybe he was interested in seeking further info on his health concerns. Again moo.

 

[cottonweaver]

This part stands out to me:
"On the third floor, the suspect checks Goncalves' bedroom and wakes her dog. The suspect then proceeds Mogen's bedroom, killing Mogen and Goncalves."

If true, it assumes that
* KG might have been (one of the) target(s) - unless he initally planned to kill everyone from top to bottom
* He knew KG was home
* But he did not know, which bedroom she was at that night
* But he did know, that she might sleep in Ms room

If true - this kinda makes me feel more like his initial plan was to kill everyone (while he still might have had primary target(s), because it's hard for me to imagine a lot of scenarios where the conditions in that list would be filled.

Personally I think journalists are just filling in blanks in order to create a narrative from the gaps in the PCA
( they know that a casual reader less likely to read the PCA )

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[crumbcleaner]

This jives with what my initial thoughts have been. He was obsessed with at least one of the women. He followed all the girls (I wonder how many girls he followed and messaged like this.) So he was able to see the inside of the house, keep tabs on what was going on. Likely stalked at least one of them (think Joe Goldberg from You) and wasn't getting the response he wanted.

As I said before, I do not believe he went there to kill a bunch of people and try to become famous. I think he went to kidnap or rape or kill one of the girls (whoever he was messaging) and things went sideways fast. I believe he thought he could get in and out doing whatever it was he was going to do, but didn't expect two girls in a bed and one of the housemates to see him at 4 am. He probably couldn't believe he killed 4 people. I honestly feel he felt he was smart enough to get away with it and it would never become the international story it has become before he entered that house.

I’m sorry, I do not think he took a knife that large & deadly in for just an assault. He went in to kill. Pure evil. Also, the murder of four young, White college students in this day is going to attract A LOT of attention, I have no doubt he knew this as well. Again, pure evil. IMO.

 

[jepop]

LE has to subpoena Instagram/Facebook, and most if not all social media, for account information. MOO I would think they have zero tolerance for the unauthorized release of information.

https://www.facebook.com/help/instagram/494561080557017

I'm not an expert and have no special knowledge in this area, but yes, my layperson's opinion is that LE would have to get some sort of warrant to access historical insta data of the victims (like private direct messages and so forth). It seems likely to me that LE would have done this already.IMO. What do you think? I'm of the opiion that it's not a LE source being quoted by the People Mag article under discussion here. MOO

 

[cottonweaver]

Didn't SG hire a PI? If the PI found out and SG told the media, I would. MOO.

SG certainly said he was going to, multiple times & he also said he'd previously had PI's contact him unbidden in the early weeks of the investigation.

Would those PIs ( either casual or contracted) have the legal powers - realistically - to subpoena Instagram for the contacts in a victim's private messages, or do you think the PI just got a LEO to show screen grabs from investigators files?

 

[jepop]

Personally I think journalists are just filling in blanks in order to create a narrative from the gaps in the PCA
( they know that a casual reader less likely to read the PCA )

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BBM: IOWs making things up?

 

[cottonweaver]

BBM: IOWs making things up?

applying artistic license
Adds value for the consumer
public service

 

[steeltowngirl]

SG certainly said he was going to, multiple times & he also said he'd previously had PI's contact him unbidden in the early weeks of the investigation.

Would those PIs ( either casual or contracted) have the legal powers - realistically - to subpoena Instagram for the contacts in a victim's private messages, or do you think the PI just got a LEO to show screen grabs from investigators files?

Maybe someone accessed an Instagram archive like Wayback Machine.