ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 69
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Out of State Atty. Pro Hac Vice? Rep. Crim Def't? Death Penalty Case?
Yes, some states allow an out of state atty, to apply to appear in court w local co-counsel, but limited to a SPECIFIC CASE. We've seen this in the news w Big Name Atty's/Talking Head Atty's like Mark Geragos. Maybe this is what you're thinking of?
And yes, Rule 27 of Idaho Bar Commission Rules permit this, on application, well, under certain circumstances & w restrictions, apparently only on a CASE-SPECIFIC basis.
(plain language, not official ID website: Idaho Pro Hac Vice - BarReciprocity.com)
^That^ said, IDK if ID st ct judge would allow out of state atty to rep. a crim def’t in a death penalty case. Welcoming opinions, esp’ly from our legal professionals.
@Cassady @PrairieWind Others?
Maybe if atty applying for pro hac vice admission in the case was qualified for death penalty cases in his/her state of licensure? If the standards for qualification were equivalent?
This website (Idaho Pro Hac Vice Lawyers and Rules) discusses ID fed dist. ct & fed bankruptcy cts re pro hac vice, which would not apply to this crim case in ID state ct.
Also to add to post by @Shamrock1 w informative link to LIII, here's a bit of general info: Pro hac vice - Wikipedia.
Factoid from ^ wiki:
"Although neither William Jennings Bryan nor Clarence Darrow was licensed to practice law in Tennessee, both were permitted to appear in the Scopes Trial."
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Yes, some states allow an out of state atty, to apply to appear in court w local co-counsel, but limited to a SPECIFIC CASE. We've seen this in the news w Big Name Atty's/Talking Head Atty's like Mark Geragos. Maybe this is what you're thinking of?
And yes, Rule 27 of Idaho Bar Commission Rules permit this, on application, well, under certain circumstances & w restrictions, apparently only on a CASE-SPECIFIC basis.
(plain language, not official ID website: Idaho Pro Hac Vice - BarReciprocity.com)
^That^ said, IDK if ID st ct judge would allow out of state atty to rep. a crim def’t in a death penalty case. Welcoming opinions, esp’ly from our legal professionals.
@Cassady @PrairieWind Others?
Maybe if atty applying for pro hac vice admission in the case was qualified for death penalty cases in his/her state of licensure? If the standards for qualification were equivalent?
This website (Idaho Pro Hac Vice Lawyers and Rules) discusses ID fed dist. ct & fed bankruptcy cts re pro hac vice, which would not apply to this crim case in ID state ct.
Also to add to post by @Shamrock1 w informative link to LIII, here's a bit of general info: Pro hac vice - Wikipedia.
Factoid from ^ wiki:
"Although neither William Jennings Bryan nor Clarence Darrow was licensed to practice law in Tennessee, both were permitted to appear in the Scopes Trial."
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100% spot on. It's a conflict of interest for every single reason they stated.
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I would be furious as Xana's mom. This apparent COI works against the prosecution in every respect. It's going to make it hard for any conviction to stick. It's outrageous.
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Ditto!!!!
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Completely.
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Oh wait, Is there a link stating that?
Are you watching the interview or is this something you read?
She is live and crying on Banfield right now. She just found out today that AT is representing BK.
Live now on AB
After someone on here posted about Gavin De Becker's book, "The Gift of Fear", I went and read some excerpts and found this one especially interesting.
"A man's core fear is that a woman will HUMILIATE him."
"A woman's core fear is that a man will KILL her."
I can't help but wonder if both of these happened in this case.
More recent speculation is that Maddie was BCK's intended target. In the food truck video, Maddie points to a guy and said that he is a weirdo because he had made some comment to her. We know that guy was not the person accused in this case. But, I wonder if at some point in time, BCK and Maddie encountered each other and she may have brushed him off with a similar comment and he felt humiliated.
"A man's core fear is that a woman will HUMILIATE him."
"A woman's core fear is that a man will KILL her."
I can't help but wonder if both of these happened in this case.
More recent speculation is that Maddie was BCK's intended target. In the food truck video, Maddie points to a guy and said that he is a weirdo because he had made some comment to her. We know that guy was not the person accused in this case. But, I wonder if at some point in time, BCK and Maddie encountered each other and she may have brushed him off with a similar comment and he felt humiliated.
I think it's pretty simple as to why we don't know his whereabouts for 12th November.. Your reference to 3.26am on 13th November is from the PCA (attached)The Probable Cause Affadavit. (Just as an aside, the PCA begins explaining BK's movements on November 13th at 2.44am in Pullman, using both phone ping and video/camera surveilenance data gathered and analysed during the course of investigation (please see PCA for all refs)
IF LE had analysed and reconstructed a picture of BK's movements (at the time of writing the PCA) for the 12th Nov (day prior) then that reconstruction (if it was done at that time) was likely deemed unnecessary for inclusion in the PCA and the establishment of probable cause. For eg. maybe any reconstruction just indicated he stayed at home or hung local. MOO
I think evidence of BK day prior movements, if relevent, would be revealed in upcoming Prelim or trial. MOO
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Xana’s Mom stated about the POA. I’m not taking her words to be exact as far as legal terms, so I reserve judgement. One thing she did mention that gave me pause-Xana’s sister is at WSU. As their Mom stated, LE had their suspect early on. Did they know he was a stranger to the victims, could Xana’s sister have been in danger? Was her safety considered?
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7:12 PM · Jan 25, 2023
Link to Brian Entin's Twitter video of his interview with Anne Taylor's previous client. I won't hot-link to avoid showing names.
Brian's Twitter page: https://twitter.com/BrianEntin
Link to Brian Entin's Twitter video of his interview with Anne Taylor's previous client. I won't hot-link to avoid showing names.
Brian's Twitter page: https://twitter.com/BrianEntin
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Watching Banfield too.
An attorney brings up a ‘Writ 2255‘ where BK could later appeal and argue that since the lawyer once represented the victim’s mother that the lawyer was conflicted, and provided ineffective counsel.
An attorney brings up a ‘Writ 2255‘ where BK could later appeal and argue that since the lawyer once represented the victim’s mother that the lawyer was conflicted, and provided ineffective counsel.
It’s an awful message to the victims if this isn’t corrected and reassigned. A real slap in the face going in with a high chance of an appeal. Why even take the chance and have the families endure another trial?
It’s a guarantee. This guy will love going through another trial.
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