ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 47

[MrsWatson]

Agreed. If you look at the 'targeted, community not in danger' and the carefully crafted wording in their 11/16 press conference. I think they had BK leaving the scene almost immediately and knew he was in PA for Thanksgiving.

One of the reasons (besides this being high profile, expediting forensics, more support and man/woman power etc) I think they got FBI involved so quickly was likely because BK was in PA and they weren't sure if he was going to come back.

I think them knowing they had perp DNA and missing on CODIS is the reason this thing was dragged out. No matter how confident they were in their other circumstantial evidence...with that DNA lingering unanswered they coudln't do anything. If they had made an arrest and the DNA came back as not Bryans they might have blown this case.

So they waited on familial and got it back on the day FBI started their surveillance in PA (likely relieving local PA LE)

BBM

Could you provide a link showing that he was in PA for Thanksgiving? I don't remember seeing that.

TIA.

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

20 days? He was arrested on Dec 30. So he was free all of December. 30 days. And the murders were on 13 Nov. Another 17 days, by my reckoning.

37 days total, not 20. Which is why I think there's plenty of time for minor cuts and scratches to heal. I'm still on the edge of my seat to learn just how they got a profile complete enough to do GEDMatch. BK made many critical errors. Many. If he did wash his hands at the scene, he's almost like an idiot savant.

Definition of IDIOT SAVANT

savant; a person who is highly knowledgeable about one subject but knows little about anything else… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

(It's an actual term in English, borrowed from the French, first used 1870 - just so you all know I"m not trying to be rude here).

He certainly fits the mold & criteria for someone on that spectrum. I’m not an expert, and that’s merely my personal opinion. I think you’re onto something here for sure. Maybe in the defense down the road. You never know. I too, am poised at the edge of my seat - just to discover a few genuine, confirmed, factoids which will invariably be exposed. I need popcorn for that phase. Jmoo

 

[callyn]

Just watched the video of BK being escorted into the courthouse. He looks very tall, maybe over 6 feet? And he also looks a little bit more muscular or built up then the available photos we have of him. Maybe he’s been training? MOO

That is probably a bullet proof vest that looks like he's more muscular. moo

 

[agilbe]

BTK's daughter insinuated (with absolutely no evidence besides the connection of his professor to her father) that it was highly probably that BK and her dad were in contact. Her words were far more nuanced than how the media reported it.

IF, big if there, that is true then I think BK did act alone. His question about anyone else being arrested was mind games. If I remember correctly BTK also fancied himself smarter than everyone else. That could be one more reason people are comparing them. JMO

 

[al66pine]

FEDERAL PROSECUTION of BCK???
Pasting this from previous thread, a post by @Simply Southern
(Sorry if already covered since then. I'm waaay behind on reading.)
"MOO...The case will be held in Federal Court. It becomes felony murder once BK crossed the state line to commit the act.
https://id.fd.org"
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@Simply Southern I'm not saying BCK could not be prosecuted for a fed. crime, but I've missed any MSM coverage re that possibility.

Iirc arrest warrant was for four homicides and another crime under ID STATE law. And Latah County, ID. prosecutor has appeared at pressers, discussing prosecution of BCK. Just FWIW.

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

@EBW321 I really appreciated your wide-ranging post, I think it's the same kind of creative analysis that both prosecutors and defense counsel will inevitably have to be undertaking too.

If in fact it proves to be Kohberger, he most certainly "did this for a reason." Whether we will ever learn the reason is another matter entirely.

What I am looking forward to more than anything right now is for the judicial process to begin and the release of the charges. At that point we will be able to return to the realm of fact and the insane bits of fiction/fantasy that are plaguing this horrific event will subside, I truly hope.

I'm always thinking of the victims and their devastated families, but also of all the other people/entities who have been harmed by speculation and, in some cases, outright accusation. I can't wait for all that stuff to stop.

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Your entire post is fab, paragraphs and all make it a pleasure to read. Your third and fourth especially. Spot on. Bravissimo. JMOO.

 

[10ofRods]

The only link I'm aware of his that Kohberger studied under a Rader expert while attending DeSales.

Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger studied under expert on serial killer BTK; daughter 'sick' at news

Idaho murders suspect Bryan Kohberger's advanced studies in criminology included time studying with the psychologist who co-wrote a book with serial killer BTK.

www.foxnews.com

Rader was a serial killer, and so far, Kohberger is a mass murderer. HOWEVER, Rader DID commit mass murder as well. If we're going to talk about crime, one way to do it is to compare one crime to another. That's pretty much how basic research into crimes takes place, whether academic or investigational. Profilers don't just make stuff up, they study past crimes.

SO, Rader's first kill (perhaps) was 4 people.

That makes Rader one of the more unusual serial killers of all time. Was BK planning to kill again? I bet he was. But he wanted to start out at the "level" of someone like Rader (or DeAngelo or Bundy). When people here on WS pondered way before the arrest if someone like BK could exist (basically like the movie "Copycat"), I was skeptical.

I'm not skeptical now. I think it will all come out when BK, himself, writes his own book, just as his mentor did - but he won't want a ghost/assistant writer. If he's prohibited from publishing as the lead author, he'll find someone to publish it for him or self-publish it.

OTOH, he may decompensate pretty badly in prison, down the road. But I think he'll pull himself together, get his hour a day in the prison library and write a book about himself, comparing himself to these other killers whom he studied and admired.

 

[Elley Mae]

Kohberger was nabbed after authorities matched DNA from the crime scene to a sample submitted by one of his immediate family members to a genealogy testing website, a law enforcement source told Fox News.

Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger spotted for first time since arrest

Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger seen for the first time in Pennsylvania since his arrest Friday for the grisly deaths of four University of Idaho students.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Betty P]

IMO, he looks scared

JMO, just guessing, but it looks like he never thought he would be caught by LE. Now he's in a panic because he didn't plan for this.

 

[Snoopster]

My friend, whom LE contacted about accessing her DNA matches, confirmed that they wanted access to Ancestry. She told me she had opted-in to share with LE.
I also just scanned the TOS from ancestry regarding LE and disclosure. It seems that they will allow LE a snapshot of the last 90 days or something similar but that LE has to go through a particular process to gain that information. If you opt-in, this is irrelevant I'm guessing?
Ancestry Guide for Law Enforcement

I don't think any of that has to do with general genetic genealogy 'fishing', but rather when they know a specific user.

 

[schooling]

I could not find a single video/article/twitter/Facebook that he attended classes during the week commencing on 14th of November (immediatelly after murders). The following week, commencing on 21st of November, was Thanksgiving break at the WSU, no classes. So, apparently, the first classes at the uni, which BK attended were during the week commencing on 27th of November, 2 whole weeks after the murders.

On 27th of November he graded his students paper works which they submitted on 6th of November, which was shown on the video where one of his students explained the the grading issue and the confrontation between BK and his class of 150 students about grading. The confrontation happened only few days before the murders, the stident says, and it was not nice, at all. And the professor who was mentoring BK apparently was present during that confrontation and did not interfere.

Antway, students have not seen BK for 2 weeks after murders, or at least i could not find repirrs to contrary.

I spent a lot of time compiling a timeline. It's somewhere in the last few threads. While compiling that timeline I thought a lot about this and reread every available piece of reporting about that time.

All of his classmates said "after the murder". I think people are reading that and assuming it was the Monday. But I think it just meant the next time the class met as a group.

With midterms happening that Monday and likely no classes. Compounded with there being very little information about the case to discuss. I'm going to assume it was after Thanksgiving Break.

Also, we've heard everything from he was in good spirts and energized. To him being tired and withdrawn. To him being quiet on when the case was discussed. So not sure how much stock to put into this reporting unless we get a full blown interview.

Also, I personally think that BK was on a flight to PA on Sunday just as police were discovering the bodies.

 

[Simply Southern]

FEDERAL PROSECUTION of BCK???
Pasting this from previous thread, a post by @Simply Southern
(Sorry if already covered since then. I'm waaay behind on reading.)
"MOO...The case will be held in Federal Court. It becomes felony murder once BK crossed the state line to commit the act.
https://id.fd.org"
----------------------------------------------
@Simply Southern I'm not saying BCK could not be prosecuted for a fed. crime, but I've missed any MSM coverage re that possibility.

Iirc arrest warrant was for four homicides and another crime under ID STATE law. And Latah County, ID. prosecutor has appeared at pressers, discussing prosecution of BCK. Just FWIW.

I was incorrect. Thanks to posters for correct information.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Am I the only one who thought he looks like Brian Moser from Dexter? Obviously the character and him have the same first name albeit spelled differently but also because of who Moser's character was on the show. View attachment 392030

Nah.

 

[arielilane]

Partial summary discussion/Law & Crime Q&A 1/3/2023

Shannon Gray (Gonclaves Family Attorney) All of the families are going to be looking for a connection to BK.

There will be a representative of the family at every hearing, probably will be Steve, or Kristi or some other family member, or myself.

Richard Schoenstein: Not sure if camera’s are allowed in ID courtroom. Let the process play out. You will get the facts in due court -let the process work.

Probable Cause Affidavit will not show all the evidence/it will have the basic story.



Other notes:

Too early to say if death penalty trial.

BK possibly may want to represent himself, it’s his right to.

Possibly ID LE investigator familiar with the case will be returning BK back to ID, some of these guys like to talk. To have an ID investigator listening to everything BK says can be a very important factor.

 

[10ofRods]

He certainly fits the mold & criteria for someone on that spectrum. I’m not an expert, and that’s merely my personal opinion. I think you’re onto something here for sure. Maybe in the defense down the road. You never know. I too, am poised at the edge of my seat - just to discover a few genuine, confirmed, factoids which will invariably be exposed. I need popcorn for that phase. Jmoo

I'll be joining you with the popcorn. Almost all of us have had an experience of becoming a fan of someone, often unexpectedly or out of the blue. Many of my favorite bands are not anyone else's favorite bands and I cannot actually explain well why 1) I *love* them and 2) I *chose* them. I just know I admire and love them. Something "clicked" in my mind when I heard them. Same with my favorite authors.

I have no favorite serial killers. I don't usually follow threads here on WS about serial killers. I unsubscribed from other crime forums regarding serial killers. I don't even have my copies of the Ann Rule books I read about serial killers. I've never "clicked" with a serial killer - the opposite. They appall me.

But imagine a person like BK, who instead of falling in love/admiration with a band or a book, falls in love with the life history and mind of a serial killers. "That's me!" his inner self cries out. "I have found my people! I am not alone!" (Just how I feel about my favorite fictional characters - none of whom are criminals; one of them is David Copperfield, as an example).

I believe BCK had this experience with more than one serial killer. The way some people cathect to sports, a particular team, a particular player. It's an ordinary experience for most of us. Today, people do fall into complex parasocial relationships with criminals. I believe BCK is one of those people.

IMO.

 

[fred&edna]

Rader was a serial killer, and so far, Kohberger is a mass murderer. HOWEVER, Rader DID commit mass murder as well. If we're going to talk about crime, one way to do it is to compare one crime to another. That's pretty much how basic research into crimes takes place, whether academic or investigational. Profilers don't just make stuff up, they study past crimes.

SO, Rader's first kill (perhaps) was 4 people.

That makes Rader one of the more unusual serial killers of all time. Was BK planning to kill again? I bet he was. But he wanted to start out at the "level" of someone like Rader (or DeAngelo or Bundy). When people here on WS pondered way before the arrest if someone like BK could exist (basically like the movie "Copycat"), I was skeptical.

I'm not skeptical now. I think it will all come out when BK, himself, writes his own book, just as his mentor did - but he won't want a ghost/assistant writer. If he's prohibited from publishing as the lead author, he'll find someone to publish it for him or self-publish it.

OTOH, he may decompensate pretty badly in prison, down the road. But I think he'll pull himself together, get his hour a day in the prison library and write a book about himself, comparing himself to these other killers whom he studied and admired.

As I stated before it's possible Kohberger studied and was fixated on BTK. (And, also... as I said previously Kohberger did not commit SA and could have left semen at the scene of the murders like Rader... but that seems doubtful). There have been so many talking heads surrounding this case, I'm a full-on skeptic (regarding his history) without proof. That's just me and I could be wrong

 

[Deepinthought52]

I agree, he does look more muscular. It would be interesting to see if he had been building muscle just to be a stronger murderer (i.e. hitting up the gym 5 times a week for the last year). I don’t buy the incel description of him. I think he could have had a gf, but perhaps, if he didn’t have a gf, he was always aiming for those “out of his league.”

It occurred to me when I read this that Kohberger's alleged statement "I'm 10 miles away from this" is quite precise. I just searched for his actual apartment address (couldn't locate it) to plug into Google Maps with the murder location to know the actual distance. I discovered a FOX News article stating "The Idaho school is less than 10 miles from Washington State University in Pullman, Washington, where Kohberger is listed as PhD student." (Idaho murders: Police serve search warrant at Bryan Christopher Kohberger's home in Pullman, WA).

Now I'm really curious as to the exact distance between his apartment and the murder scene, because of his alleged statement; it's curious to me that he named an actual distance. I mean, "I live close to this" would have sufficed.

From the stories relayed about him, sounds like he always explained things in an extra detailed way in an attempt to show intelligence. This recent statement sounds like it had a hint of arrogance like an of course I know, I’m not stupid kind of thing, whether or not intentional. MOO

 

[Love Never Fails]

Since he was observed wearing gloves in public in PA, how do you know he wasn't wearing regular men's cold weather gloves to class in WA?

Pretty easy to cover up bruises and scratches, btw. I do it all the time, as I have a wild puppy and get some tremendous scratches which I prefer not to show to my students. I simply use a small amount of foundation. But if it were just sitting as a student in a class, I'd of course wear a long sleeve shirt and gloves if I had a scratch on the back of my hand (which is not at all the most likely place for this defendant to have been scratched in the first place.

I believe that since he apparently left a full enough DNA profile for LE to hit up GEDMatch, that he very likely cut himself (above article I linked from NYPost and an interview that may or may not be allowed here call him "clumsy"). Since I believe he wore anti-cut gloves, a mask and long sleeved jacket, and I believe he used a particular set of techniques to accomplish his crime swiftly, I think the most likely place that he would have cut himself might well be a leg (he likely used his body weight to pin his victims down while he attacked them, primarily by pressure from his knees, leaving his upper leg vulnerable).

This is just my speculation about the nature of possible cuts (perhaps quite superficial). We await the actual information either at the opening of the PCA or at trial.

And he may not have cut himself at all. I think the only one who had the strength to fight would have been Ethan. Surely he wore gloves and a mask. He planned this out. He just isn’t as smart as he thinks. I hurt so much for those four kids!

 

[Gardenista]

Hidden: A True Crime Podcast​

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PA State Police will be holding a press conference today regarding the apprehension of Bryan Kohberger

 

[WingsOverTX]

I ask myself the same question--BTK has nothing to do with
this case-- so why are some people posting about that case??
I dont get it!!!

Just speculating.

A professor at DeSales who taught BCK in his master's program is very connected to BTK (wrote a book about/with him, corresponds with him).

Whether BCK has had any contact with BTK is unknown. But the potential is there. Very likely this prof shared her inside knowledge about BTK with her CJ students.

We don't know what we don't know. It could be something. It could be nothing.

But "birds of a feather flock together" so just dismissing any connection is unwise IMO.

Just one article connecting BCK's prof & BTK:

BTK killer Dennis Rader thinks of himself as ‘monster’ and ‘a good person who did some bad things’: doc

A&E's true-crime documentary "BTK: Confession of a Serial Killer," comes from executive Dick Wolf of the “Law & Order” franchise.

www.google.com

moo