ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 12

[DizzyB]

University of Idaho allows remote learning in wake of unsolved murders

Authorities have yet to announce any suspects in the brutal November 13 murders of four University of Idaho students.

www.fox5ny.com

UI has decided to go with a hybrid end to the semester, allowing remote learning. If LE is waiting for someone to come back to campus to conduct an interview, that just ended. LE might be in for a lot of travel if they want to speak to people in person.

 

[AngTxGal]

There is technology to handle DNA samples from more than one person. The perpetrator doesn't need to have given DNA to make an identity. Forensic genetic genealogy has been making identifications from distant cousin matches. The Darrell Brooks trials had expert testimony on separating samples from more than one person.

Yes, genetic genealogy links to people who have given their DNA to get info regarding their ancestry- 23 n Me etc.
These databases can be used as a knowns to compare a DNA profile against.
Our family was contacted regarding a match to a relative MIA from WWII, because we had given samples to ancestry.com. Evidently a mass grave was found in Germany, and my grandmother’s brother who went missing in 1944 in Germany as a 21 yr old was found.
When all the work is finalized, he will be coming home to RIP in Texas.
JMO

 

[JSTANOVICE]

University of Idaho allows remote learning in wake of unsolved murders

Authorities have yet to announce any suspects in the brutal November 13 murders of four University of Idaho students.

www.fox5ny.com

UI has decided to go with a hybrid end to the semester, allowing remote learning. If LE is waiting for someone to come back to campus to conduct an interview, that just ended. LE might be in for a lot of travel if they want to speak to people in person.

I Didn’t think of that..

 

[Diddian]

Do you know offhand if the attic has window access or no? I guess I'm being lazy and should go look at pics myself! I'm just catching up so, taking the short cut

I don't know offhand. What I remember is that the roof to the third floor has a single slope (rather than slope on either side of a central ridge) and that roof looks solid (no openings for dormers or skylights). I don't recall a window at the end of the house facing the downslope neighbors (except at the 2nd floor level above what looks like the kitchen sink area) and haven't seen any photos which show the end of the house facing the two-building apartment complex on the uphill side. The only photos I've seen are front (parking area), back (sliding doors and balcony), and end facing downhill neighbors.

Edited for clarity.

 

[acutename]

Photo #11/23 of the Zillow listing for the rental shows an opening to an attic space just outside the 3rd level bathroom and one of the 3rd level bedrooms (i.e., in the upstairs hall just above the stairs). It is possible that an agile person could climb atop the ledge above the stairs and hoist themselves up into that opening (and use that same ledge to climb back down).

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tough to get into an attic space without a ladder, IMO but it depends on the person of course ... and it would be tough to jump down without making any noise, because you are dropping a few feet unless you are 6' 6" and have tied a pillow to your feet, IMO

 

[newredtabby]

it may be a word choice issue confusing things but we know from X's father that he's aware there's physical evidence on her body that she fought back against her attacker. As to the murderer having injuries resulting from his own attacks on X and the other 3 victims I think these four experts speak well to that likely possibility:

IMO, any parent would hope their murdered child fought till the bitter end. Like Libby in Delphi, it was said by family that she "fought like Hell", and then we later learned that there was no signs of any struggle at all. Until LE tells us that, we really can't take it as fact. Knife stats on attackers getting hurt themselves are skewed, I would imagine, by attacks with knives not designed for killing, like the knife used by THIS killer was. I seriously doubt the killer was injured in the attacks.

 

[Curious Me]

Photo #11/23 of the Zillow listing for the rental shows an opening to an attic space just outside the 3rd level bathroom and one of the 3rd level bedrooms (i.e., in the upstairs hall just above the stairs). It is possible that an agile person could climb atop the ledge above the stairs and hoist themselves up into that opening (and use that same ledge to climb back down).

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This one? MOO, I can't see someone being that agile and quiet.

 

[Diddian]

tough to get into an attic space without a ladder, IMO but it depends on the person of course ... and it would be tough to jump down without making any noise, because you are dropping a few feet unless you are 6' 6" and have tied a pillow to your feet, IMO

As I mentioned, there is a nearby ledge that looks like it is 36" to 42" off floor nearby. It is the ledge above the first of the two flights of stairs climbing from 2nd to 3rd level. So, without a ladder someone would not need to jump a full floor (which looks like it is 8' here), but only a little more than half that distance. It is also possible that there is a ladder that drops down from that attic space opening although that seems unlikely given the size of the opening.

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

As hard as it is to be patient, the key is trusting the crime scene investigators experiences- this isn’t their first rodeo.
They know to take samples from locations that would capture the perp during the crime

Yes there would be samples from surfaces- those would be marked as surfaces and would not necessarily be linked to the crime- common areas but not blood sample

It is those blood drops on the floor or surfaces between one victim and another, they could be the perp bleeding due to injury

Also signs of scuffling- a victim or victims may have tissue from the perp on them

What if you have the same DNA profile in the blood drops on the floor and also under fingernails of a victim- and that same profile is on surfaces not related to the crime?

It is all sick to imagine and again interesting in terms of problem solving, and one piece of evidence such as DNA would have to gel with all others to create the story of what happened.
JMO

Again... just jumping off this post...

Makes me think...

Having been a college student myself... with quite a few people coming in and out of our apartment...
and even now... we are home owners of thirty-five years... with multiple people entering our house...

I still think there are specific places where friends/family/acquaintances would not even THINK of exploring in our home bases...

Therefore...
I am thinking any type of deranged killer would leave some type of DNA/evidence of SOME kind that would stand out from the "usual" finger prints/DNA/evidence of common house usage...

In other words...
Perhaps there is a challenge to distinguish evidence from a building that has multiple innocuous human activity ....from persons with ill intent..

But could there be some type of evidence that is pretty well outside the normalcy of common social gatherings...
and evidence that is beyond the societal norms?

Example: Perhaps a guest has used our upstairs potty room...
fingerprints would be found on potty handle,etc...
However...
If there are found fingerprints opening our medical cabinets...
and or.. our clothes drawers..
welll... That would become some kind of red flag...

To me... anyway...
all... JMO...

 

[accordn2me]

The dog was turned over to Animal Control. Per Moscow City website, falls under Code Enforcement under Moscow Police Dept.

I would think SOP would be to turn over to Animal control, as they stated happened. Animal Control would assists in evidence collected injunction with investigators, evidence recorded and tagged and establish a chain of custody. Only after the legal owner is determine would LE release the dog.

I just can't figure out what impact the dog has on the case? I imagine, IF the dog had blood or DNA it would be "licked" off by noon. We all know dogs are constantly licking body parts.

The dog could have been crated for the night, escaped when intruder entered or asleep in another part of the house.

All my opinion

Code Enforcement | Moscow, ID

Our Code Enforcement Officer's responsibilities focus on animal care and control, emphasizing City of Moscow Code violations pertaining to dogs. Code Enforcement also responds to complaints of junk vehicles, snow on sidewalks, noxious weeds, sight obstructions, and found bicycles.

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CODE ENFORCEMENT​

Our Code Enforcement Officer's responsibilities focus on animal care and control with an emphasis on City of Moscow Code violations pertaining to dogs. The department continues to work in partnership with the Humane Society of the Palouse

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Thank you for this information. To me, it indicates that there was a
"violation pertaining to [the] dog" because the two surviving roommates knew who owned the dog and surely could have made arrangements for the dog to go directly to the owner..... unless the dog needed to "be processed" ... I never would've imagined what seems so obvious to some...

To clarify...I don't believe the dog will "have an impact" on the case. I'm only trying to make sense of what would cause two, or one, adult to miss the "sloppy" crime scene they had awoken to, and instead interpret it as an unresponsive person.

I've seen theories that the killer locked the doors on the way out. Now, if someone were calling and asking one of the roommates to go check on one of the others, but the door was locked and the one inside the residence was reluctant to pick the lock, I can understand telling the other concerned party they could come break in if they were that worried...

My mind needs the 911 call to make sense...a missing dog kinda helps me there. And offering my theory up here... and getting it promptly smacked down...helps me know why I'm not a detective.

I appreciate all the smart people here, and the responses from everyone!

 

[Diddian]

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This one? MOO, I can't see someone being that agile and quiet.

I think it UNLIKELY that the perpetrator used that place to hide until the students came home too, but when viewing all the other photos of the house, it is the ONLY place on the 2nd and 3rd floors that I could imagine a person hiding in wait until the students came home and went to sleep. If a person stayed nearby waiting and observing the house, I think it far more likely the person waited outside and in the dark, hidden by the trees at back of the property (between the house and the parking lot of the 2-building apartment complex).

 

[NWguy22]

This is aimed at no one in particular, but I have seen many posts here, expressing what almost borders on indignation, that Kaylee had just purchased a Range Rover and was planning a trip to Europe.

It has been stated by many here that the car she purchased was several years old, a 2016 model, and had been pre-owned. It certainly cost no more, and probably cost considerably less than almost any new car she could have purchased. We have no idea how it was being paid for, nor is it any of our business, but to assume it was careless of her to buy it is ridiculous. She was about to graduate from college early, and already had a high-paying job offer that she had accepted from a tech firm in Texas, which may likely have included a lucrative signing bonus. She had, according to the owners, worked as a server at The Mad Greek restaurant for several years, and had apparently saved as much money as possible, while still taking what must have been full course loads, and participating in sorority activities. It is also very possible that the car or trip, or at least money towards them, was a graduation gift from family. Finally, it is likely that she already owned another car that may have been sold or traded in as a down payment on the car.

I do not begrudge her the car or the trip. I just am sorry that her life was so viciously taken before she had a chance to enjoy Europe and her well-earned Range Rover. JMO

I hope you understand some people are referencing it for external appearances or the effect it could’ve had on others. I personally don’t begrudge her at all for it, but I do think it would catch some eyes showing up in a state college town. Most people are not going to know or assume that it’s an older and cheaper model either. That’s why it potentially stands out, not because she didn’t have any right to it

 

[MoveToTheBeat]

I have been thinking about this 911 call a thousand times now but what if, D or B wakes up and is heading for the upstairs kitchen and sees Ethan or Xana on the floor with alot of blood backing away in overwhelming shock and passes out hurting herself in the process, maybe in the stairs, B or D hearing this calling over friends from nearby. Breathing obviously, but unconscious and wouldn’t wake up. So when the friends arrived seeing the passed out girl they grab the other girl's phone calling 911. At the same time some may head up seeing more on the 2nd floor and they panic. (I think I read that several people talking to 911 during this phone call?) The police arrives and discovers the crime scene. That’s why they are referred to as surviving victims and not unharmed roommates.
Sorry if I'm rambling on this. :/

 

[Tealgrove]

MOO

I find it interesting that so many seem to think that this case should have been solved almost instantaneously.

4 people were murdered not 1. 4 people’s lives have to be investigated, friends, family, hundreds of tips need to be researched and cleared, if possible.

Forensics, lab work etc., has to be processed.

Multiple Agencies are working tirelessly to put the perpetrator behind bars.

Ted Bundy, Delphi, Green River Killer, BTK, Jeffrey Dahmer, Golden State Killer all took YEARS to be caught and the murders solved.

This is real life.

Personally, I find criticism of LE at this stage in the investigation unwarranted. To suggest they have bungled the investigation is premature at best. We have no idea what they know. And BTW, whatever they do know they aren’t about to tell us anytime soon.

This is not an episode of Criminal Minds or CSI, where the killer is going to be found within a few days and all the evidence falls into place.

Not by a long shot.

Buckle up because this isn’t going to get solved quickly. I think we’re going to be in for a bit of a ride.

MOO JMHO

 

[BeckyF]

I would think the surviving girls have a right to privacy?

Of course they do. They don't want to be harassed on social media or have people following them. We've seen the result of that in previous cases. JMO.

 

[diabeticrockstar]

Legit question....
I'm sure someone brought this up, but 12 threads x 50 pages is a lot to wade through!

Originally police stated that Ethan/Xana were at a frat party until 130am & arrived home around the same time as the other two girls.

But NOW police have been stating that they attended the party from 8 to 9pm. Also, Xana's father stated she talked to her around midnight and she had said her and Ethan were hanging out at home. Obviously she's a college kid and might just keep things like going to a frat party to herself/not tell the father.....BUT.....I've still not seen LE say where Xana & Ethan went/where they were from 9pm until they arrived home. They changed the "time spent at party" by almost 4 hours but didn't give am update as to what they were doing.

It may be nothing, or maybe it's something, IDK. But they've painstakingly put together timelines as best they could and it seems like we are missing 4-5 hrs for the couple. If they did leave the party at 9p and went home....that changes the context of the night a bit. Obviously a lot of rumors too going around about the frat party and some sort of incident, but in general it all seems odd.

Can someone clear up this 8p-9p / 8p - 130a time change discrepancy?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

I hope you understand some people are referencing it for external appearances or the effect it could’ve had on others. I personally don’t begrudge her at all for it, but I do think it would catch some eyes showing up in a state college town. Most people are not going to know or assume that it’s an older and cheaper model either. That’s why it potentially stands out, not because she didn’t have any right to it

Sadly, an antisocial loner type might resent or detest her success and her image. Could be a trigger, could not be.

If Kaylee was the "target" someone could've been harboring some deep seeded resentment for a long, long time and this might've been an instance that angered them. Really depends what's going on in the killer's mind at this point.

 

[flakesofsnow]

"It's gonna be a stranger who saw these girls on campus, or outside at a bar and possibly followed them home," he said. With a knife as the murder weapon, he said the suspect may be an experienced outdoorsman or hunter.” -Corbin

Idaho murders: Police eyeing 'stalker issue' as probe enters day 12 without a suspect

Police are looking into whether Kaylee Goncalves, one of four University of Idaho students killed in a stabbing attack earlier this month, may have had a stalker.

www.foxnews.com

 

[SuziQ]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1596209774739484672

https://twitter.com/x/status/1596209778799579136

https://twitter.com/x/status/1596209783140667393

Someone needs to show this to the University President. At one of the pressers he said even though the police said this was targeted, that's not good enough for people. Targeting is a vague descriptor. For all they or we know it was merely the house that was targeted. A random perp can target people they do not know. Imo.

The bottom line is there is a killer with a big knife on the loose. And LE probably doesn't know his motive other than it was to commit murder. Everyone in that town has a right to be scared. Until they know his motive, everyone is in danger, and he could strike again. Imo.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Legit question....
I'm sure someone brought this up, but 12 threads x 50 pages is a lot to wade through!

Originally police stated that Ethan/Xana were at a frat party until 130am & arrived home around the same time as the other two girls.

But NOW police have been stating that they attended the party from 8 to 9pm. Also, Xana's father stated she talked to her around midnight and she had said her and Ethan were hanging out at home. Obviously she's a college kid and might just keep things like going to a frat party to herself/not tell the father.....BUT.....I've still not seen LE say where Xana & Ethan went/where they were from 9pm until they arrived home. They changed the "time spent at party" by almost 4 hours but didn't give am update as to what they were doing.

It may be nothing, or maybe it's something, IDK. But they've painstakingly put together timelines as best they could and it seems like we are missing 4-5 hrs for the couple. If they did leave the party at 9p and went home....that changes the context of the night a bit. Obviously a lot of rumors too going around about the frat party and some sort of incident, but in general it all seems odd.

Can someone clear up this 8p-9p / 8p - 130a time change discrepancy?

I am curious too about a midnight call with dad. Who called who? Was there something in particular discussed?

I get kids being close with a parent and talking daily (I do that) but isn't that done at more conservative hours? I wonder if something happened that shook X up in that missing time gap? JMO, MOO