ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 14

[VaBorn]

I feel similarly too. I’m also not bothered by calling peers before 911. Once they notice unresponsiveness (knocking, phoning, etc) or even see a body & potentially injuries, their first thought wouldn’t be of murder. It’s more likely they thought someone was intoxicated and injured themselves, imho. I think most of us instinctually assume accident before crime & would react from that perspective.

 

[hopewell]

IF the girls on the 3rd floor were targeted and also killed first, but nobody from the 2nd floor interrupted the perp leaving, I don't see the motive for killing anyone else.
ETA: If the 1st floor roommates heard the comotion and went to investigate, there would have been two more victims IMO.

Right, which is why I feel like all of them were targets, including the two survivors had the suspect known about the first floor. But I feel like he didn't know about it, which is why I think this was committed by someone who has neither been in the home nor knows the victims closely enough - if at all - to know where they slept.

My opinion.

 

[Kudzu]

I have a theory on a profile of who did this. What if it was someone who worked in a kitchen and proficient with a knife? I know when I worked in a kitchen and did food prep, you can spend hours chopping food and sharpening your knifes. You get used to being very precise and fluid with your movements.

This is a very interesting idea. Didn’t M and K work in a restaurant?

 

[PolarButterflie]

tbf, they’ve been using that/similar language going back to at least 11/18/22, so not new. JMHO
Moscow Homicide Update

I don't remember the police ever actually "clearing" or "ruling out" anyone. The official stand has always been "do not believe" based on official updates. I think the media and the public all turned it to "cleared" and "ruled out" over time. MOO

 

[MntnHiker]

Yeah I have always wondered where X and E were after the frat party and before arriving home. Did they go to a bar? Someone's house? How do LE know what time they arrived back at the King Rd House? Perhaps they were picked up on that Ring camera or they saw when their phones connected to WiFi?

It's especially interesting IMO not knowing where they were when that was also supposedly during the window of when X last spoke with her dad (somehow, via text or call, we don't know). I've always wondered if something was wrong or bothering her or if it's normal for them to talk that late at night. My parents would be long asleep by midnight, but maybe that is the norm for their family or perhaps her parents had plans and would be out/up late that night and X knew that and knew she wouldn't be waking them.

 

[amaraya]

I just find it so strange that the fraternity has said nothing and mentions nothing on SM sites. To me, that seems very telling. Especially as the sorority seems to be very vocal...

 

[Elley Mae]

Another concern Snell addressed is the potential contamination of the crime scene, as two roommates are believed to have been in the home at the time of the murders. They are cooperative and have been ruled out as suspects.

All individuals who were in the home when police arrived have been cleared.

Idaho Student murders update: Police say why key details are being withheld from the public

Authorities are withholding key details from the public as they continue to investigate the murders of four University of Idaho students, including information about a suspect profile.

www.foxnews.com

 

[sds71]

"We join the Gamma Eta Chapter in remembering a young man who was deeply loved and respected, as well as extend our deepest condolences to the families, friends and loved ones of Ethan, Xana Kernodle, Kaylee Goncalves and Madison Mogen," the fraternity said in a statement.

Sigma Chi creates scholarship fund in honor of Ethan Chapin

As of now, the fund has reached $6,349 of its $25,000 goal.

www.krem.com

 

[detective.moon]

I feel similarly too. I’m also not bothered by calling peers before 911. Once they notice unresponsiveness (knocking, phoning, etc) or even see a body & potentially injuries, their first thought wouldn’t be of murder. It’s more likely they thought someone was intoxicated and injured themselves, imho. I think most of us instinctually assume accident before crime & would react from that perspective.

yeah, i agree! now i think of it, they could have also called those friends to ask “hey, do you know where k and m might be? they are not responding and their alarms are going off in their room” or whatever. and their friends might have been alarmed by that and came over. MOO of course. but i don’t think calling their friends is that suspicious either way.

 

[pamelado2]

Right, which is why I feel like all of them were targets, including the two survivors had the suspect known about the first floor. But I feel like he didn't know about it, which is why I think this was committed by someone who has neither been in the home nor knows the victims closely enough - if at all - to know where they slept.

My opinion.

But it also could be someone on the second floor called out after hearing a noise and the murderer heard and felt he needed to also kill X and E.

 

[dotr]

rbbm

One key detail in Idaho student murders will 'ultimately come out' to the public, police say

The four students were found dead at a house just yards from the U of I campus, hours after police say someone attacked them in their sleep.

www.fox32chicago.com

''During an interview on Fox News’ "Lawrence Jones Cross Country," Snell told host Lawrence Jones that investigators "don't currently have a suspect" but that keeping certain information "from view is going to be critical into trying to develop that."

"Obviously, you've got somebody that's on the loose right now. There's a lot of fear with the public based on what you guys have been able to collect. And you have profilers on the team, BAU unit is here, why not go ahead and release that profile?" Jones asked.

The Idaho police communications director answered: "It will potentially put more fear, more suspicion on a wide variety of people versus if we use that to really refine where we're at in our investigation. I think that will be more pertinent."

Snell said authorities also believe the attack "was a targeted incident" toward one or more of the three women who lived there. Chapin, the sole male victim did not live at the home and was visiting his girlfriend, Kernodle.

As for who was the target, that information is not publicly known.

When Snell was asked "who was targeted or were there multiple people that were targeted doing that, that incident," he said the information was "pertinent to the investigation" but "ultimately will come out."

 

[citizen_sleuth]

Seems pretty clear at this point Law Enforcement has their suspect and are watching them, while they obtain the evidence of the suspect's movements in the day before and after the murders. Hence the request for video/photos. LE doesn't just trace the victims' movements. They do the same for suspects. LE are building a case, piece by piece, and will only make the arrest once the entire case is made and signed off by the DA. This will be a high profile case, and LE won't want a defense Attorney finding evidence afterward that LE should have found prior. Hence the request for the Public's help with photos/videos. We should expect arrest within 2 weeks.

I know Moscow PD is requesting "all outside surveillance video taken from 3 a.m. to 6 a.m. on Sunday, November 13th" (per press release) in the area of the murders, but I haven't seen/read anything about LE requesting the public send in footage from the days before and after the murders –– do you have a source for this or is it speculation?

Also, even if true, I don't think LE requesting surveillance footage from a wider time frame necessarily means they have a POI. I can think of numerous unsolved cases with no (at least publicly identified) suspect where the police requested video surveillance footage. For example, after Katie Janness and her dog, Bowie, were stabbed to death inside Atlanta's Piedmont Park in July 2021, detectives requested video surveillance from the surrounding area for a 3 hour time window. After more than a year, no suspects have been identified and the case remains unsolved. Stephen and Wende Reid were found shot dead on a hiking trail in April 2022, and although the police had a POI seen purchasing camping gear on surveillance footage who matched a sketch from a witness, they could not immediately identify the man in the footage. Logan Clegg, 26, was arrested and charged with their murders in late October 2022.

Point being, surveillance footage isn't a magic bullet -- even when police are sure they have their suspect on video, they may not be able to identify the suspect because the footage is too grainy, the suspect is too far from the camera to make out distinguishing features, etc. Personally, I don't believe LE has a clear suspect in this case. Perhaps they have vague suspicions about a person(s), but IMO they don't have enough evidence (as of yet) to elevate them from 'possible POI' to 'POI/suspect.'

 

[Nova]

I think this is a really good point. The damage could be minimized if the perp wore gloves and perhaps some sort of tactical clothes but you would have to imagine some kind of cuts or bruises even if small that wouldn't look normal. That is also why I wonder if this is someone who can disappear for awhile without causing a stir

Maybe minimized with gloves. Let's recall O.J. and the glove that "didn't fit", yet somehow had a knife cut at the exact place where Simpson had a deep cut on his own hand.

 

[stmarysmead]

Random thoughts this morning…

Re…’clearing’ suspects, wide parameters of areas of interest, request for videos, etc from public…I’m sure LE does not want some defense atty at trial to claim they zero-ed in on his client from the get-go, etc. So even if they do have a likely POI, they need to investigate as if anything else is also a possibility.

My college BF’s frat had a huge rented summer house. It was not uncommon after a party to have some random person stagger out in the morning from one of the empty rooms.

In one of the videos, the one where the girls are pretending to be each other, they have X asking to have a small party. I think the joke was that her ‘small parties’ often got a lot bigger than planned.(opinion only) Did E and X have a some people over after they left the frat party? Did one of them crash in the empty room instead of leaving? Maybe someone there was an earlier ‘physical altercation’ with?

Heading back to the ‘dog’ questions…if he was inthe house all night, by noon he would have been really needing to go out…assuming he was house trained. Our dogs would have been crying, jumping on the door, trying desperately to get out. I’m beginning to believe he was not in the house.

Would there have been a ‘fee’ to retrieve the dog…kind of like getting your car back when impounded? Could there have bern an altercation over who was at fault for the dog getting out and who should pay?

Last thing…my spidey sense says they do have a suspect in their sights.

 

[Missyrocks5]

Agreed. I worry about these high profile cases where a clever defense attorney claims there had been a "rush to judgment" or the case had been "tried in the press". Furthermore, the more evidence that is leaked to the press, the more tainted a potential jury becomes. Who wants to see a judge forced to throw out evidence such as witness statements and the like because it was already widely reported in the press. People need to calm down and let the detectives do their job so that in the future, 12 jurors can be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt of a defendant's guilt.

Yes. It’s very concerning. The coroner said too much as well.

 

[shaaluv3]

I've completely accepted there is alot we don't know and will not know until trial. We want to know. I want to know more because I have an unrealized detective inside and an innate need to feel safe in our broken world. Once in my life (well more than once), but once my heart was shattered by who I believed to be the love of my life. I definitely had evil thoughts about a tree falling on him or his boat sinking in shark waters...lol, but I didn't get twisted up and grow crooked. I got over it and moved on happier than ever. Human kindness and compassion is so desperately needed. How we handle everything guides the course of our lives. So many questions remain. There are truly remorseful murderers who in the act of taking another's life, were momentarily snapped-mentally absent-through unbelievable rage, they carried out unspeakable acts. I believe there's just pure evil too. Prayers for healing to all. Thank for this site to support sharing and caring.

I absolutely agree with you . We are on the same page girl

 

[Missyrocks5]

Agreed. I worry about these high profile cases where a clever defense attorney claims there had been a "rush to judgment" or the case had been "tried in the press". Furthermore, the more evidence that is leaked to the press, the more tainted a potential jury becomes. Who wants to see a judge forced to throw out evidence such as witness statements and the like because it was already widely reported in the press. People need to calm down and let the detectives do their job so that in the future, 12 jurors can be convinced beyond a reasonable doubt of a defendant's guilt.

Ugh. Let’s hope not. People can be fooled by smoke and mirrors. I mean the dna will be the dna. To me, it won’t matter how much of a circus act any defense attorney gets into if there’s DNA in the defendant‘s car or home or on his clothing, it’s game set match. However, there are many people on juries that can seem to be fooled by things that really have no bearing.

 

[hopewell]

But it also could be someone on the second floor called out after hearing a noise and the murderer heard and felt he needed to also kill X and E.

The victims were likely asleep when they were killed, according to the coroner.

My opinion.

 

[Emerald1328]

I’d like to start a list of what is a fact (corroborated by LE or family) and what is unknown:​

UPDATED to clarify we don’t know if X called or texted dad; police cleared “others” in house Sunday morning.

Facts:
EX were at a party Saturday night
X called dad at midnight (ETA call or text?)
MK went to Corner Club and Food Truck Saturday night/Sunday morning
Food truck persons (? Don’t know exactly whom) cleared by LE
Roommates went out independently Saturday night
Roommates came home by 1:00 am
EX arrived home by 1:45
MK arrived home by 1:56 by private party driver
Private party cleared by LE
MK called J 7 times prior to 2:55. He never answered
J cleared by LE
LE says deaths occurred 3 - 4 am
911 call made by roommates phone(s ?) 11:56 am Sunday
Roommates (ETA and others in house) by LE
Other people (?) at house when LE arrived
Dog taken by animal control and released to co-owner (J ?)
No sexual assaults
Killed by multiple stab wounds

Unknown:
Motive
Who was found where
Where EX went after party
How MK got to Club and food truck
Sleeping arrangements (who in what rooms)
Dog’s whereabouts Saturday night/Sunday morning
Did any of them have plans Sunday?
Did roommates see bodies and crime scene?
Were bedrooms locked?
Were invited visitors in house Saturday night / Sunday morning before crime?
Is blood dripping on exterior wall?
Has anyone been questioned as a suspect?
Was there DNA found?

What am I missing? What’s inaccurate?

I think the best way to list out known facts is just to copy & paste LE’s most recent press release

 

[mickey2942]

I don't know how someone goes from being rebuffed by a girl, to a mass murderer. The issue of four people being stabbed to death...

I wonder what order everyone was killed in, that would help make sense of this massacre. Did he have kill all four? Seems like this was fast, no one had time to grab a cellphone. If he came in on third floor, killed M and K, then why go downstairs to kill E and X? Or if he came to kill X, had to kill E, why kill M and K?

There was a lot of energy expended here. More than likely a male, I would think older, late 20's-30's?