ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 17

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"Making substantial progress" probably means LE has or almost has a DNA profile of the killer, after which the process of eliminating persons of interest should be easy. If he (and the general consensus seems to be that the killer is male) is, as a profiler has indicated, male, young, someone who knew the victims, someone who is/was a hunter or butcher, and someone who owned and/or was interested in knives, LE must be narrowing in on people to investigate.

There has been lots of speculation that the killer was interested in one of the women. I wonder if he could be gay, possibly not out of the closet and conflicted about his sexuality, and have been interested in Ethan. Perhaps he was angry with Ethan for not returning his overtures and with Xana for being the object of Ethan's affections.

So why did he then go upstairs and kill 2 women?

Makes more sense to me that he came in through the second floor porch area, killed the sleeping couple as a precaution so he could carry out his objective of going upstairs (not downstairs to the actual first floor) to kill his target. He eliminated the others so that if there was noise, no one would come to the target's aid.

At any rate, I've never heard of such a scenario as the one you suggest and I tend to be an Occam's Razor type of person. You seem to be saying that it's common enough for gay people to cathect to straight people to an intense degree, and I think that's an unlikely scenario.

<modsnip: No MSM or LE to specify that LE is looking for a hunter>
 
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With full respect to those who are focused on the 911 call,.....(snip).......

Any way you look at it, though, it doesn't impact who, how, or why the murders occurred; and I lean in the direction of trusting their judgement in whether or not it provides value for the general public.

JMOO
Excellent Post.....!
 
The amount of stress on the killer has to overwhelming. Unless it is a complete lone wolf, there will be those around that person who will notice they seem a little “off” in last couple weeks. Also, any suicides in that area should also be considered.

The depravity, violence & pure evil of the act makes me think this killer isn’t someone prone to intimate friendships. MOO. (Wanted to say that ) I could be wrong. It’s happened.
 
Surely they have reviewed surveillance from a wal-mart in Moscow in the hours just after murder tine. For whatever reason, it seems that perps often go to a WM in the hours following a homicide
This was likely due to WM being open 24/7.

Since Covid, I don't believe there are any 24 hr WMs open. Most stores now open 6 am - 11pm
 
yes, i certainly wouldn't. so it was a targeted attack, but until he's in custody i'm not feeling safe regardless of the motive. lets say he was infatuated with one or more of the girls ok so what's to say he hasn't moved on to someone else now? or maybe not a sexual motive but was angry ok so what if he gets angry at someone else? whatever the motive was, it could theoretically be transferred to someone else now which is obviously unsettling.

IMO, "no threat" can only be confidently stated once perp is in custody. MOO
Even if this was long-planned and targeted, if the killer got a thrill while stabbing 4 people to death he may be incented to repeat the thrill with little or no “motive” at all. If I lived there I would be nervous.
 
I wouldn't either.
We know nothing about the perp/s
their motive
or whether or if or where they are likely to strike again.

I understand and I fully respect LE reasons for with holding information.
I support it.

It is my hope, and I suppose, my belief that a case like this receives high priority from FBI profilers and I understand why this is not public information. It's possible it could provoke killer to escalate.

I'm very uneasy. I'm concerned the online gossip could do likewise.

I imagine profilers and analysts have access to darkest web where acts such as mass murders are praised and exalted. I haven't gone there and I'd rather not.



No I wouldn't feel safe there either
( Interviewers have asked former cops whether they'd feel safe & most of them have said no)

We've all heard a lot from profilers and analysts too lately and noticed they are not downplaying the seriousness of the threat this person poses. Not at all.

I'd be very interested to hear a reporter ask LE what the voyeurism complaints rate is for the area or if local women are now thinking back to past experiences of prowlers. I also wonder if that is something LE should put out there - an appeal to women who haven't reported past creepers to now come forward. Any lead is worth having.

PS yes agree. This is a very complex case. 4-6 people with a huge number of contacts, a party house littered with old forensic material, a sorority party. Wonder how many service & maintenance staff the university employs & how they are all vetted if some are contracted out?

forgot to add - anti-prowler tip for women who live alone ( came from a behavioural analyst who interviews convicts in prison) Don't laugh, this is real! A pair of scuffed men's work boots or shoes left on the doorstep at night.
 
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Does anyone have an idea of what the approximate AGE of the perpetrator might be? Leave a reason why you do think that way....

I'm thinking maybe.....27-29? Feel he doesn't have the focus or the discipline required for schooling. College dropout.
 
Does anyone have an idea of what the approximate AGE of the perpetrator might be? Leave a reason why you do think that way....

I'm thinking maybe.....27-29? Feel he doesn't have the focus or the discipline required for schooling. College dropout.
I am guessing that is the range...25-30, but who knows?
 
I think the killer is a small man, juvenile or a woman. I think this because the killer only felt comfortable killing folks that were asleep. They needed the element of surprise to do it. The reason the the downstairs folks were not killed is because they were awake. Then the killer fled so they would not get caught once the downstairs folks were awakened. This killer does not like locked doors and does not like a conscious victim.
 
Just because cases get solved in an hour on tv, that does not mean that they do in real life. Two weeks is hardly a long time to investigate a crime of this magnitude, and despite what we think we have a right to know, or what we want to know, LE owe us nothing, other than to let their community know if they feel they are in danger.

I am certain that LE know a LOT more than what they are sharing with the public, or the families, many of which have been perhaps far too willing to talk to reporters. I do believe this week will be pivotal in the investigation, and would not be surprised to see an arrest, or at least a statement that LE have a POI they are pursuing, within the next few days. Felony Friday is coming. JMO
I agree. I can certainly understand the frustration of friends and family of the victims. We are starting to see more and more criticism of law enforcement on this case. People want answers.
A few things to consider when we discuss the early days of the investigation; what was said, what was done, was the crime scene compromised, etc.:
When LE are dispatched to a scene, they basically arrive with a blank slate. They are responding to the information given by the 911 caller. This is why the call is so important. There would certainly be a different approach to, “My roommate is unconscious.” as opposed to “My roommate is locked in the bedroom and there is blood everywhere.” The number 1 priority for LE is always preservation of life. Did an officer approach one of the victims to see if he could get a pulse? It’s very possible. In doing so did he step in some blood or other evidence? Maybe. Does that make him useless or stupid? I don’t think so. If your loved one was laying on the bed unconscious wouldn’t you want them to be checked, just in case?
Now we have LE’s earliest statements. When you arrive on scene, you use your training and experience to make a preliminary assessment of what happened. A patrol officer in this situation would immediately call a supervisor and detectives to the scene. Within a short time the word has gotten out, you have 4 dead students, people are alarmed. You have to say something so you make a statement releasing basic facts and present your earliest theory of what you think happened. After a vicious quadruple homicide you can’t go out and say “No comment.” so you tell them your best theory based on what you know at the time.
An investigation is a fluid journey taking twists and turns as evidence is gathered, suspects are ruled out, and new information comes to light.
What is taking so long? These cops must be incompetent.
Sure, if you go to a scene in a pristine environment with a single victim and find dna and fingerprints and know there has been a recent bad divorce and the ex’s cellphone was at the home at the time of the homicide and he has no alibi, you might get a quick solve. Or what if you arrive at the scene and a suspect is standing over a dead body with the proverbial smoking gun?
But what if you go into a fairly large home, that is known to be a gathering spot and it is filled with red cups and party remnants and you have four victims spread out over two floors, and there’s dna but it doesn’t match anyone and you have to wait for all that digital data to come back and you start the labor intensive task of identifying friends, acquaintance, stalkers, exes and most of these people have left the area due to the Thanksgiving holiday or just because they are scared it could happen to them? Will that take some time? You betcha.
And you can also believe that these LE officers are working their butts off to identify this killer because they never ever want to have to respond to a scene like this one ever again.
 
Theory on the 911 call - MOO only as always.
  • The two surviving roommates heard some kind of noise(s) deep in the night upstairs but assume it's an after party or the victims had people over and are tired so are 'whatever' about it and go to sleep. Since the two survivors have been confirmed by LE to be home by 1 AM and both EC/XK & KG/MM got home after that, they assume one of those people had others over as was common in the home.
  • Two survivors sleep in on Sunday and wake up and are having a lazy Sunday AM. Scrolling through SM, texting others, etc. At some point, one of them starts texting one or more of the victims since they haven't heard any noise upstairs in the morning.
  • There's no response so they call. It's very common for teenagers & college kids to text or call someone who is in the same house as them - sometimes even from the next room.
  • No answer either so now it starts to become a mystery. KG's Dad said that both the surviving roommates texted and called her that morning. It's very uncommon for several of the survivors - who are very active on SM and likely attached to their phones - to not respond for this long.
  • One of them decides OK I'll go upstairs and see what's up. They see one or more of the victims and start freaking out and yell downstairs for the other one.
  • Other one comes upstairs and they both become hysterical. At least one runs upstairs to the third floor and by now they know all four of their friends are deceased.
At this point, the survivors leave the house.
  • Fearing for their own lives and in a state of panic and wanting to just get away from the horror they just saw, they run outside and are inconsolable and nearing shock. One of them tries to dial 911 while the other is trying to call friends.
  • Before whichever one can tell the 911 operator what's even happening, she either passes out/faints from the shock or can't make out a complete sentence.
  • Passers by or neighbors start to notice this and stop to assist. One of them takes the phone and reports an "unconscious person". This would coincide with the "unconscious person" actually being one of the surviving roommates and not one of the victims. This also would explain how anyone could mistake a stabbing victim for someone who was just unconscious - aka they didn't. See the CourtTV interview a LE spokesperson did in pic and what he said.
  • Multiple people speak to the 911 operator - as has been reported already by LE - because the passers by have no idea what's happened inside the house and the two survivors are in a full blown breakdown which you'd expect.
  • The 911 operator relays the initial information - there's a person who has fainted or passed out here and we don't know what else is happening. Officers respond and arrive close to the time their friends did.
<modsnip: “unconfirmed” = rumor>
 
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Does anyone have an idea of what the approximate AGE of the perpetrator might be? Leave a reason why you do think that way....

I'm thinking maybe.....27-29? Feel he doesn't have the focus or the discipline required for schooling. College dropout.

I say 20-25. I think he was either in the same age range as the victims or he was in that fringe range of being a peer. I believe the killer lived close to the victims and that area demographic is mostly in that age range. (I would think)
 
I have been lurking these posts and this is just my opinion, but I think the police have an idea of who did this and do have more than what they’re telling, and I do think they’re trying to build their evidence for an arrest. I know reports say they’ve got no POI at this time, but I remember the Brittanee Drexel the case, after RM was arrested, they said he was a POI for a long time (was never made public), just didn’t have the evidence to pin him. I do think it was a very personal attack and not random. My heart breaks for these young college students and their families and friends. I can’t imagine.
 
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